We're back and we're ready for the next case of the day.
We'll introduce it with this quote from French writer
Frederic Bastiat, which reads,
"The use of force is only legitimate
when it's being used as a legitimate defense."
But what is legitimate?
That's the question.
Let's see what this next case is about.
Please bring out the litigants.
I was only protecting myself from this woman's aggression.
If I'd hit her once, I'd have killed her.
He knew the sparks between us were dangerous.
He used that weapon on purpose to kill me.
Good afternoon and welcome.
-Good afternoon. -Good afternoon.
"Edinson?" Your name is "Edinson?"
Edison.
Edison, so there's an extra N here.
Alright, you're suing Gloria who I believe is your wife.
Yes.
Alright, tell me why you're suing her
and what you demand in order to settle this case.
Well, first of all, I want a divorce
and second of all, I demand $10,000
because I've been a victim of domestic violence.
I almost went to prison because of her.
Apart from that, I need that money
to deal with my immigration issues in this country.
Well, we've been together for two years.
Two years ago I was working here in Florida.
I was working at a gas station.
As you know, a lot of people frequent gas stations.
I was a handyman.
I did a lot of things.
She used to visit the gas station frequently
and we became friends.
Then, one day she asked me out.
I thought she was a nice person and she looked classy,
so I decided to go through with it.
We kept going out for some time and by the third week,
she was introducing me to her friends as her boyfriend.
I actually clarified that we were just dating,
but she offered to go to Boston, Massachusetts.
That's where our relationship became serious
and we talked about marriage.
However, things started to change with her.
She's too jealous and compulsive.
She wouldn't let me do anything.
She wouldn't let me go out
and she was always asking where I was going.
She didn't even want me to work.
She kept saying I didn't have this or that.
She was talking about your papers?
Yes.
You were an illegal immigrant, right?
Yes.
So when you talked about marriage, I'm guessing you...
I assume she's either a resident or a citizen.
Yes, she is.
We talked about it and we loved each other,
so I thought I could start a new chapter in my life
and that marriage would change things for me.
I stayed with her for some time,
but her temper was... well, is too violent.
One day, I was tired of being in the house
and I decided to look for a job.
I'm a man.
I can't be cleaning the house all day.
I left the house one day without her consent,
because I have no reason to ask for her permission.
When I came back, she was there having coffee.
I calmy explained to her what I'd been doing,
but she got upset,
and threw hot coffee on my privates.
Of course I did! What do you expect?
You didn't want to show me your privates.
Why do I have to show her my privates?
Those are my b---s!
Ma'am.
Ma'am, you're talking like a crazy person.
I'm sorry, ma'am.
Now I'm here wondering whether I have a defendant
with mental health issues.
You'll understand why I...
No, what you've just done is absurd.
You told him that he didn't want to show you his privates.
That's your husband.
Yes, he is.
I'm not done yet.
Please continue.
After that happened, I asked myself what was wrong with her.
I had no idea what was wrong with her
so I had to try and find a way to free myself from her.
We kept having arguments and problems.
I kept asking her when I could get my papers...
Like a work permit or something?
Yes.
Things had to change, but she always had an excuse.
She'd say she didn't have time because of work
and that she'd do it the next week.
In any case, we kept having arguments
because of her jealousy.
She'd ask to see my phone or ask who was calling me.
One day, we had a huge fight
and the police came to the house.
I was bleeding.
I don't know much English,
so she talked to the cops and even though I was the victim,
I ended up spending the night in jail.
After that happened, I decided to leave.
I went to stay with a friend,
because I wanted nothing to do with her.
I don't love her.
I went to my friend's place for a while,
but one day she showed up all of a sudden.
I don't know if she'd followed me or something,
but she had a bad attitude.
She started insulting me and attacking me.
She took a coat stand from her car
and started accusing me of cheating.
She was hitting me so I called the police.
I asked for a restraining order,
because I don't want to see her anymore.
You did the right thing.
That's what you're supposed to do.
Well, I called the police and I got a restraining order
for six months.
I thought I was free from her.
I decided to get my life in order
and asked her for a divorce.
Things kept moving ahead,
but one week before the restraining order was...
One week before the restraining order you filed against her
so she wouldn't come close to you expired...
She kept sending me messages, bothering me and harassing me.
You should've called the police then.
I ignored her because I thought it would pass
or that things would change, but she never stopped.
That day, she turned up,
but by then I already knew she had guns in the house.
I knew she was into guns and that she had a gun.
My friend told me to buy a Taser because it might help.
It's one of those electroshock things.
Yes, he suggested it in case the psycho showed up
so I could defend myself.
I mean, if I punched her or something, I could hurt her
and that'd be worse for me.
He almost killed me!
She showed up that day and she started attacking me again.
She started saying that she was going to kill me
if I didn't get back together with her.
She made a gesture and put her hand in her purse.
I defended myself. I'm arguing self-defense.
I took out the Taser in self-defense
and shot her so she'd calm down.
It would've been worse to punch her and kill her.
Where were you at the time?
We were in the elevator.
She opened the doors...
So she snuck in the elevator. Where you were alone?
Yes, I was alone. I was coming home from work.
Alright.
Was the restraining order still in effect?
Yes, but she didn't care.
Now, it was just my luck that it was a huge scandal.
She was shaking on the floor.
The elevator doors opened, a few people walked in,
and they called the police.
When the police came, they arrested me
because it's illegal to carry a Taser in Massachusetts.
It's illegal, so they arrested me.
Now I'm on a one-year probation,
I'm having immigration issues, I'm in trouble with the law
and all because of this woman and her harassment.
That's why I'm here today.
So when they arrested you,
the police officers didn't take into account
that she was violating
a restraining order that was still in effect
and which had been granted by a court in Massachusetts
or that you were stuck in an elevator with her
and had nowhere to go, and that she was confronting you?
I argued that everything I did was in self-defense,
but they said that the Taser isn't legal there.
So if you'd had a firearm and you would've shot her
then you would've been protected?
Yes, but that was not the case.
You're saying this is specific of the state of Massachusetts?
Yes.
The laws are different.
What's that you're holding in your hand?
This is evidence of her attacks.
Let me see.
You can go back to your podium.
Alright, so this is... oh, they're on screen.
Was this in the past?
Right.
Okay.
You would've fixed your immigration status
and everything if you hadn't been fooling around.
This wouldn't happen if people were informed
or if they watched more<i> Case Closed.</i>
We've explained this a thousand times here.
However, people always take the law into their own hands.
Things just work that way.
How do you respond?
Good afternoon, ma'am.
I'm here to countersue my husband for $30,000,
because I currently have serious heart issues.
I have arrhythmia and I need to replace a pacemaker I have
and it's all because he attacked me.
Alright, great.
He knew I had heart issues. He did it on purpose.
It's one thing to know you have heart issues
and another thing to know you have a pacemaker.
They're two different things.
Well, he knew I had heart issues.
However, because of that Taser that almost killed me...
I think that was what he meant to do.
Anyone else would've pushed me,
slapped me or something else...
Oh, so you considered what he had to do,
but you never considered that you had a restraining order,
that you couldn't go near him,
and that you were breaking the law.
Why'd you go there?
Let me explain.
Go ahead, because that's what's relevant here.
I knew that restraining order was four days away
from expiring.
I love him, ma'am. I love him.
However, I had another problem.
A friend of mine had given me a necklace for me to keep
and he'd liked the necklace.
-She gave it to me as a gift. -Lies!
My friend wanted her necklace back,
so I went there looking for the necklace.
I knew where he was so I went to find him.
When the elevator doors opened and I was about to walk in,
I saw him.
As soon as he saw me, it was as if he'd seen the Devil.
I just wanted to talk.
Let me talk! You've already had your say!
That's why I won't even look at her.
He's an idiot.
I made him.
I made him from head to toe and look how he pays me.
I'm 20 years older than he is.
But that doesn't matter. I love him.
You're insane.
Let me tell you something and I'll say it with a smile
because I'm not a therapist and I can't say it any other way.
You definitely have some loose wires in your head.
He made me like this.
But you said you made him and that you're older than him,
but he's the one who drove you crazy?
When he saw me in the elevator he stepped back
and told me to stand back or he'd stun me with the Taser.
That's when I said,
"If you want to kill me, I'll kill you first."
I slapped him and told him, "I'll kill you first!"
-Are you listening to this? -She was attacking me.
Let me talk!
I was in the elevator alone with him.
That's when I decided to call the police.
As I was digging around my bag to get my phone out,
he stunned me with the Taser.
I would've attacked you with everything I had.
I would've attacked you with my bag, my keys.
I would've used anything I could get my hands on.
If it'd been me in the elevator with someone who's so violent
and who has such a propensity to be aggressive,
I would've used anything to defend myself.
Well, ma'am, but the thing is that I ended up in the hospital
and now, ever since then, I'm having heart issues.
Were you arrested for violating the restraining order?
Well, I spent some time in prison
and I had to pay $1,000, but I'm out now.
He also... Ma'am, I love him.
I don't.
He doesn't. He won't even look at me.
Shhh...
I'm not interested in what you feel for each other.
I'm only interested in the facts,
because I'm sure there's nothing between you too.
All I see here is total dysfunction.
Alright, let's bring out the plaintiff's witness, please.
This is in an example of total dysfunction.
-Good afternoon. -Good afternoon.
Your name?
Emily.
Who are you, Emily?
I'm Gloria's daughter.
-She's insane. -You're here as his witness?
Yes.
Alright, what have you come to testify?
I'm here to tell you that this woman is insane.
She's been abusive my entire life.
This man is living a hell.
It's the same hell I lived all my life.
She was abusive towards me
and when I wasn't the object of her abuse, my father was.
I went to prison for five years because of my mother.
You went to prison for five years?
Yes.
Why?
I was pregnant and my husband was fooling around.
I asked my mother for advice
and she told me that I had to demand respect
and that I had to hit him until he bled.
I hit him and he hit me back so I grabbed a knife
and that was it.
I went to prison because of my mother.
I didn't stab him. She did.
That's her and her husband's problem.
He needs to protect himself from a very aggressive woman.
I'm guessing you
and your mother don't see much of each other.
No, we never see each other.
I can't do it. She's too violent.
Alright, thanks for your testimony.
It was truly enlightening.
We'll take a short break.
Your name?
My name is Alejandra.
I'm here on behalf of my best friend Gloria.
We've been friends for many years.
I know that she's been abused by men...
Look, here's what I want to know.
Do you know anything about them?
Have you been in an event where they've been together?
Tell me about them.
Don't tell me about her because I'm not interested.
Yes, I've actually seen how this man has mistreated her.
She was doing alright after she received therapy.
After this man came into her life, he ruined everything.
Bring out the experts.
The only interesting thing here is the issue of the Taser.
Forget the rest.
Alright, good afternoon.
-Good afternoon. -Good afternoon.
Let's talk about the Taser first.
Do you have a Taser, Major Fuentes?
-Yes, would you like to see it? -Yes, please.
We're only going to talk about what a Taser is.
This is a Taser.
This is the one sanctioned
by most police departments like ours.
The Taser usually has a cartridge here.
I didn't bring it today.
The cartridge fires two wires
which are connected to two darts.
The darts penetrate the skin...
And give the subject an electric discharge.
Yes, when the subject is shot,
their central nervous system is affected
and therefore they find their muscle control is impaired.
So the person basically faints or stumbles a bit.
Yes, though some people react differently.
Most people freeze and feel pain.
Alright.
Does it work the same for everyone?
Meaning, will it work whether it's a tall man
or a small woman or are there different voltages
for different people?
No, you can use the same for a man or woman.
-It's the same for everyone? -Yes.
Great.
Now, this weapon's not meant to kill, is it?
No, it's considered less lethal.
Okay, great.
Does the state of Florida classify this as a firearm?
No.
It's not a firearm?
No, it's not a firearm.
Here in Florida, Tasers can be used in self-defense.
But is it included under the Second Amendment?
Um... it is.
It's not a firearm,
but it is included under the Second Amendment.
Oh, so that's the secret.
That's the secret of the case in Massachusetts.
At the end of the day, it's stupid,
because the Supreme Court already said it was silly.
That's right.
Doctor, can violence be taught?
In other words, we have the defendant's daughter
who said that her husband was fooling around
and her mother told her to hit him until he bled.
Yes, violence can be taught.
There are cases of children who are born with very bad tempers.
However, normally, after they come into contact
with their environment, that temperament can be shaped
so it's not violent,
but studies do show that violence can be taught.
It's usually learned when you're in a hostile
and violent environment.
My ruling.
I grant you the divorce
because your marriage is irreparably broken.
I'm granting you $10,000 because I consider
that the damages done to you were all caused by this woman,
her bad temper, her lack of self-control,
and her violation of the restraining order, etc.
You have 30 days to pay him.
It's final. Case closed!
Be kind, be careful, get educated,
give respect to get respect, and may God help us!
See you next time and thanks for tuning in!
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