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have this guy. Hello. Hello. And we will talk about hopes and dreams of young
Jedi's also known as the tattoo artists.
Recently I got a message from young gentleman who's really excited about the
tattooing he have great plans of learning it and being the artist of the tattooing
and his future plans are learn tattooing and travel the world. And
work different places and I found that enthusiasm very. Exciting. Exciting yeah
I'm really happy for the guy and I hope he makes it and working in shops around
10 years it seems like a long time since you had them plans first time. Yeah and
you also kind of see people like change a bit like they get all like yeah and
then they kind of. So passionate the first six months and then fuck it all. I
think first first two years might be the most motivated. Yeah I think so so tell
me about your first you had a apprenticeship right? Yeah yeah we can say that.
Ish. Yeah I started a bit over six years ago kind of got lucky about
finding apprenticeship I didn't ask about I just got it kind of handed to me
but I had to you know work for it so so that was good and I was all dedicated
and thought like I'll conquer the world with this team and will be so amazing
and epic after like a year year and a half just
doing making coffee and doing phone calls and not really doing anything tattoo like I kind of lost bit of hope but I... wanted to stay low see astok it was the
Lost the spark. Yeah but I kept going and first apprenticeship
didn't work out so I was like okay I'll do it again and I'll find somebody else that
will take me in and and then I got a bit more motivated again because I thought
yes this is second try is the charm you know like this will be my year. And I
think in the beginning you want that action and you're like yeah. You just
want to do something everything is so exciting and I also remember in
beginning like every small thing helping out with stencil and doing copies or
tracing stuff or even getting to apply a stencil was magical you know when you
finally get into that action it's like whoa. And after your apprenticeship when
you started to work what was your plans for first two years let's say? Well I
can't actually remember like specific things but I just wanted to to be able
to do it every day I think like having customers every day and being able to
talk to customers and you know just have a fun everyday. I've seen usually in the
beginning people are like focusing and that like I want to find my own style
and be that all unique artist and people will come and appreciate my art and then
it's kind of I think the first artistic kick and then after a while it eases off
and then that people get a bit more like sort of. They get... They wait you know
they see what's going on and it's they take it also a bit more as a job. Yeah just a
job you know it have ups and downs like everything else in there it's not just
like it you know you know TV shows. And later on I think it also kind of like
you you find your own style kind of without worrying about it too much and.
Yeah without you know without working for it tonight or you know you don't
have to pursue it it just kinda you come you settle down with something you like
to do. There's first that first up first artistic up and then it's like kind of
like like fuck you like you know you don't understand anything and then
people I like I just gonna make money. Yes.
Also there's a slowly developing their own style. Complaining about you know other people
saying they do stuff wrong it's usually the people that say yeah it's my own
style and I do this specifically and I you know it's nothing wrong with it but
maybe technically it could be but yeah it's a lot of the new new beginners
that's like a bit full of themselves. What's your future hopes and dreams and
plans at the moment? I think now I want to do that traveling stuff I feel like
it's just a good way to meet new people and seeing new things and also that that
style thing like I'm I'm interested in all all styles now so it would be nice
to talk to somebody that's really good at any style and I can like get pointers
from them other than just getting pointers from like the best people I
know around here you know. Yeah you can always learn. Exactly. Even a little bit
but you can. Yeah like that but uh but also just you know common stuff like how
they set up their station or how how they do stuff to be more efficient or
you know all that stuff is something you can always learn a bit more about. All the
little things. Yeah. So that's my motivation now I think just also to
travel the world and see how clients are everywhere like seeing how busy places
are or like what people want and what they think what they need. And also
places are run differently so we go to places when you know oh is this how
you approach customers this is how yeah exactly work on design. And yeah and
also like okay so people here like like this stuff more than what I'm used to or
something so I think that that would be fun. For myself at the moment my hopes
and dreams are just to master some styles and be comfortable with what I'm
doing cause like you know there's some stuff when you're like oh okay I can do
this but it's like there's some things where you break a little sweat when
somebody's like can you do that then you're like
I think I can. It's a the funniest things are when you think you can do it and
then you can realize halfway through that you have no idea of what you're
doing but you still have to go because people expect it from you like that's
that's when you learn that's them about yourself. That's them will panic attacks
sometimes it's like the placement when you're like oh. Yeah that's when grow. You've
done this design like hundred times and. Easy peasy and.. and then you get jumpy customer
with that on ribs or something and you're like oh how come the CC thing
turned into nightmare yeah that's another thing so I want to add more
techniques more styles also placement so I can be .. so you can get comfortable..
comfortable yeah it's not like whoooh that's the thing and I think I think I did my
traveling a bit. You did it in the beginning. Yeah I started with
traveling and all that yeah it's also people like customers because like in in
here I don't know if it's Denmark in general or this shop where people kind
of trust the tourists and that some places where they're like super specific
they're like I want this. I don't know if it's specific for Denmark in general
yoaeh most people like trust to tours no matter who they are or like just as
long as they enter tattoo shop they they kind of rely on and you as artist. In in.
But I don't know if it's only Denmark ot it's like in Europe. In London but that
was like five years ago or something people were like specific they're like I
want this and I want that but maybe it was influence of shows where they like
you know like oh you have to find and this is the meaning and like you can try
all you want they are like... That stuff luckily I think it's being like dimmed
down a bit you know it doesn't have to or maybe it's the kind of customer
because then like dudes who worried that they kind of got into their own style
and people were asking them for what they can do and then they were a bit
more open but maybe it's just like when you deal with maybe it's kind of people.
Yeah uh-huh. Hopes and dreams back to hopes and
dreams. Hopes and dreams is to conquer world and live on Sun. Yes and shoot
lasers from your eyes. Or fingers I shoot eyes. You put it in That stuff. The shop
well how was your imaginary shop when you're like this is my place of business
and artistic creations and all that. I think perfect scenario would be you
know people working in a shop should be kind of annoyed that they are the first
ones to leave like they want to be in the shop so bad that it they want to
spend like free time with the other guys as well like you know like a community
kind of people doing kind of what they want like individually but they also do
it you know together kind of so also to get response and. Is it like being in a
negative environment I'm not sure if that's the what but like a collective.
Kind of. Collective of like-minded people. Exactly so it's just like a super
creative environment where people do all kinds of stuff but it's kind of in the
same like it have a connection so yeah like you feel like bummed out you have
to leave the place. So was it like that what was the shops you worked at like
that was many shops your work like that? Never really but I'm hoping that I'm
with a bit of my own influence I can kind of be able to work my way that way
you know but it's difficult also because people very different and you can't
live and make money on just being in a creative environment you know you have
to have to work as well. OK OK yeah I see you like in shops often it's like a
computer game you have those different characters. Exactly. One can do that and
one can do that and like one is more social and one is like specific in that
style and one is that. One is quiet speaks just but it's it's weird. Yeah but
it's not usually like a unit it's usually like there's very very different
up in opinions often but yeah yeah but you can still pick up like being in that
environment you can. Yeah I just think that
the most important thing is to find somebody that kind of works the same way
as you do. Or like the same way you want to do. Yeah but it doesn't mean that you
work in same hours if you don't want to like it doesn't but just as long as you
treat things and people the same kind of way then it's basically the same if you
using different machines it doesn't matter if you work later in a day than
others it doesn't matter but you know as long as you have the same kind of idea
of what what the job is about and... yeah... then I think it's like that's the key
thing in it. Yeah also I think in this industry it's so kind of individually
based cuz even like if you say like apprenticeship is way to go but anyway
like there's some guidelines but every person will teach person... differently... how
they think... yeah... or they're like you know maybe. And also maybe people have been in
apprenticeships themselves and they want to improve on that so they teach
differently than what they learned and then yeah you know maybe that new guy he
learns completely different but because he thinks that that's the right way to
do you know. Cool! what else is there. What about hopes and dreams illusions
and maybe what worked up to your expectations from customer? Because I
know many people are like again they want that like you know that I'll get my
style I'll get my customers I will have one huge session a day I will have
consultation like week before then I'll have day for drawing and then I'll do
this and that. Yeah like yeah like all of them things I have been thinking about
you know it kind of seems cool to do all that stuff like answering emails and
doing drawings and all that in one day but man I don't want to seems like such
a la a lot of work ahead you know I don't like to be that far ahead in life.
And also I think that's also you need money at some point... yeah... so you just to
keep the business running and like a a day should be no problem for it.
Like if you are like again maybe later on in career when you're like
you're the one and like you know you have your own operation running and you
can have two three. Yeah you have apprentices maybe the stuff going for you. So you can
work for a couple days a week and then one day you can organize stuff at one
day you can paint and one day you can go fishing
okay so you can snowboard. all this (Uldis). You can be Uldis one day yeah you
can you can go meditate and be other guy one day. Yeah like all that stuff in
I I don't know what I thought in the beginning like how it would be but I
thought that because at the time I started Odense was pretty busy with
people so you had a lot of tattoos to do all the time. You had less shops. Less
shops and just more work and people were so interested in it because like all of
that like TV shows and all that so. And I think also do a big hype you know. That
custom stuff was kind of like new. Yeah it was like oh do free hand with just
markers it's insane and yeah so I thought that things would be pretty busy
because it was so I never really thought that I wouldn't have nothing to do or
like I had to you know go out and get customers much so for anything so yeah I
kind of just went on with the like the flow of things and never thought that
how I would be in it myself at one point so. So yeah expectations were a bit high
maybe at the moment. Yeah also I noticed with like dudes working with when they
like they start to like kind of first I like I want to do everything and I want
to learn everything and then I think they also make enough money they buy they
machines and then they start to focus on their own stuff at some point they maybe
focus it a bit too much and they're like oh no it's still a work like yeah. I
think maybe like you say the first couple years you think everything it's
exciting also just because every time you get chance to tattoo it's
amazing so you'll do it all and you'll take on too big of jobs that you can
pull out and you know you have to work a lot but I see a lot of new tatooers now
they just focusing on the one thing I think also apprenticeships kind of
focus on one style or something they can do so they can get into work quickly and
make money and fame. Fame is important. Super famous. Also like that
thing like you say in the beginning you'll find things interesting
like any tattoo like. Yeah you don't care. Like I know people like that
like all tribals are so I outdated but when they start they're like okay I'm
practicing lines and practicing coloring in and all that. Yeah but I think it's actually I
think it is more cool for your master to see you doing a tribal... yeah...
because you yourself at the in the beginning you don't think about you know
colors and how to pack color and how to do good lines and and all that stuff so
so maybe you won't see it as so much fun is is your yeah but a teacher will. Also
like tribal I think it's like people can hate on them all they want but that's
where you can tell what are you made of because it's not just a tribal. It's
not you can clearly tell if people have what it takes or not. Yeah because it has
to be colored in... flawless... and yeah all that. Have to fit it have to be fucking spot-on you
know it have to be amazing. If it's some freehand situation it have to flow cuz like you
know it's not that just something randomly placed. So I have like great
respect for travel to think to him amazing I don't want them myself
but aaam. I want them now probably I want because it's hipster. Also just the
nostalghia about a classic tribal it's it's all old school it's cool again. Yeah.
It's so amazing. Made full circle. About customers yeah I like about how you
design the part where people every now and then you hear the two is
complaining about customers and again that's also like a it's a it's a phase
it's it's in between when things like they stopped being exciting and you
don't take it as a job and then you complain about it. Yeah yeah or maybe
like yeah sometimes when you feel a bit too confident in your work and you have
to do something you feel don't deserve your attention you know then you feel
like wow this is so stupid I have to or slow myself down to to do this kind of
work and. Or somebody disagreed with your idea. Yeah like you have had an idea and
people shoot it down and you're like oh man because you don't know anything.
Plus you could always say no I'm not doing this but it's a customer it's a
job. Money is money. You're like aaargh them people. My idea and because usually that's like that three three
four years in tattooing gets like very dramatic for many people. But also I
would say with that thing that also sometimes you you have to argue with a
customer about getting right tattoo or something they want you know and it's
difficult not to to trade anybody on their toes like you know you don't want
to insult them but still you. Yeah often it comes down to like. Just depends on
the situation a lot. Yeah and on your skills of explaining
stuff and making people understand. Yeah it's like like I said I see it coming
and going that's stuff cause people are sometimes and then after that they're
like oh this is work you know I do best for the customer and all that and then
they're more chilled but like if used if you are like studying something whatever
mechanic or accountant or lawyer like you spend like four years in school
before you get to that stuff to do.... yeah... you get some internships as tattooer...
you just in it... like after three years you're in it then you're like no this is
all bullshit like come on give it some time that's kind of interesting
but also I think it's less with people who had apprenticeship
because in that apprenticeship there's your master who will tell you to
chill chill the fuck out or you you you can't afford to be a whiny a whiny
little kid like aaaa this customer don't like me you're. Yeah then you just get slapped in
the face you know like stop being a girl if you are a girl didn't stop being
something else like a lemon. A sissy a sissy boy. Yeah maybe. I think you're right about that
point because a lot of people just self-taught having friends as customers
for a couple years then they starting to get like actual customers and they
starting to complain because they don't know what you do and... yeah... way to explain
yourself and oooh man. We had that one dude who have a... he's doing all that
realistic stuff and he's he's good but slow but anyway like when he was here he
was nobody asked for that guy specifically to book they just asked for
realistic stuff and he was being like super dramatic like he was like
mid-session standing up like oh my god why you choose me if you don't like my
art and all that stuff and I was like dude why are you so dramatic and then we
talked and he said well probably because he have his own shop and in in where
he's from people know him and they go to him because of his stuff and he's like
people are like no I want that stuff and like you know I booked cuz I need
somebody who can do it and he was like - aaaaah that was only time I have seen
person mid-session standing up walking around shop like aaah and like maaan chill out. Chill out it's just a tattoo.
And that customer also was like he wasn't like... freaking out... oh no he was like just
trying to be nice he's like you know I like this part and I already like kind
of going more your way than my way and the guy is like - nooo but this is my sh!t
But he's. Bet some tattooers they owned the tattoo. Also like I heard that he's been like people who know him from
like two years before when he was just starting like yeah yeah he's really cool
he's really humble and like he's doing and he's like... so he changed in like a
5minute turn... so in two years he's like us drama queen like almost like wanting to
quit half session like if you don't like my
art why you choose me you know nobody chose you you just like a realistic guy.
You just got some working just till you know but you know how it is when you
enlightened by God of drawing you... God of creativity yeah you have to you know.
when muse hits you you're like muse slaps you in the face and you're like this. What
to do man like you can't do anything just have to act out like. Hopes and
dreams sometimes yeah what it's called backfire on you. But actually that's one
of the things like expectations and all that stuff like I'd never thought that
so many tattooers were bonkers in their mind so many extreme types of people. People
can be humble and and great at what they do and like kind and all that but so
many extreme types of people you know. I was talking about with one guy who was
into organizing some tattoo convention
you
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