Is there a supernatural dimension?
A world beyond the one we know?
Is there life after death?
Do angels exist?
Can our dreams contain messages from Heaven?
Can we tap into ancient secrets of the supernatural?
Are healing miracles real?
Sid Roth has spent over 35 years researching the strange world of
the supernatural.
Join Sid for this edition of It's Supernatural!
[Applause]
Sid: Hello.
Sid Roth here.
Welcome.
Welcome to my world where it's naturally supernatural.
In my entire life, I have never seen America,
and actually the rest of the countries of the world,
so divided.
We're divided politically, racially,
economically, every area you can think of.
But not just divided, to the point of anger and violence,
and even murder.
I've never seen this before.
My guest says it's not flesh and blood.
You guys are looking at the natural.
My guest says it's an ancient demonic spirit that he knows how
stop it in its tracks.
Anyone interested in finding out?
[Applause]
You know, about 13 years ago, Lance and I developed a
friendship, and you and your wife came to Israel with me
because I was going to speak at a new age festival.
We didn't know what to expect, but it was a horror story.
That's the only way I can described it.
And it had rained the day before and we were slushing through the
mud, and there were people there with drugs,
looking the way they normally look at these new age festivals.
And so I start my lecture, and we bumped into a spirit,
an ancient spirit, and both of us were not aware of it until
after it surfaced.
Lance, what was your recollection of that?
Lance Wallnau: It was like Woodstock.
That was what was unusual about it.
No one expects Woodstock in Israel.
So I'm going down there with you and I figure,
okay, we're going to have like a nice Christian tent meeting.
We get into this tent and it was the most bizarre and
enlightening experience of my life.
It's like I could never understand when Paul would
preach and there was these riots breaking out.
At any church there were some ushers were grabbing somebody
because they were afraid.
I've never been in a riot.
You created a riot.
You start talking and they got the nude swimmers in the back
and the foreground in the ocean.
We've got people with like mascara on and voodoo hats.
It was bizarre, canes, walking around doing curses on them.
And then we've people manifesting,
shouting at Sid right in the middle of his message,
and they're cursing at him, dropping these obscene words.
And I'm standing there in shock.
I'm thinking, I didn't expect this at a meeting.
And the yelling is going on, and Sid is engaging this person
who's yelling back at him.
I said this is total chaos.
And in the middle of it, one guy who's clearly not a Christian,
Jewish guy, is laying down on a towel watching all this,
and he sits up and he goes, "Wait a second.
Hey, I don't know what all you guys are yelling about,
but my back just got healed."
Sid goes, "What?
In the middle of all of this your back got healed?
Is anybody else getting touched by God?"
And this is stupefying the people yelling at you because
now they're being interrupted by a supernatural act and they
don't know what they're saying.
They were cussing at you.
That worked.
Now other people are going,
"Hey, my neck, check it."
Sid: But Lance, what you did not know and what I did not know,
I left and I thought I failed you,
God, miserably.
I mean, I saw the healing and a few people raised their hands,
a bunch of these were Jewish people and received the Lord.
But I just figured what a mess.
I'm sorry I even got involved.
I get back to the States and I find out one young man got saved
who today is the leading evangelist,
Messianic Jewish evangelist in Israel.
[Applause]
Well Lance, you know what God is doing in your life.
I mean, out of nowhere, USA Today has an article.
They say you're one of the few people that prophesied
Donald Trump would win.
You even went beyond that.
You talked about what would occur.
He'd be like Cyrus.
He would do some things for America that like no one else
could possibly do.
He had a bestselling book before he won,
saying he was going to win.
How could you be so sure he would win?
Lance Wallnau: I think that ignorance is bliss.
I was so focused on the battle for America.
There was such an urgency in me for the outcome of this thing
that, and I had people come up to me and said,
"Lance, why would you destroy your whole ministry credibility
on a political prediction?
People can go down."
And I said, "Look, it's not a political prediction.
I'm just saying what I heard God say: "Isaiah 45 will
be the 45th president.
I believe that this to happen in America,
and I think the church has a choice."
And you know, most people don't know this,
but the victory that he had in the Electoral College was based
on .008 percent of the total votes and that means .008
percent of the total votes showed up in five swing states
that gave him the Electoral College.
It looked as though he had the Electoral College sweep with 300
votes, but the reality is it was the Christian turnout at the
last minute that produced the .008 in five swing states.
In other words, God did this by a razor thin margin and a
remnant of believers really determined the future for the
United States.
And it gives you just goose bumps to realize that it always
comes down for us to the remnant.
It's a remnant that will make a difference in America
and the world.
Sid: Right.
I have to ask you a personal question.
You're so involved in the political arena today.
Has this been a passion for many years?
Lance Wallnau: Not at all.
I absolutely hate politics.
Sid: I don't blame you.
Lance Wallnau: I got to tell you,
I'm so ignorant in politics.
I had a door open up in Washington through the Cedars
Fellowship years ago, which works with all these
ambassadors, and I wanted to go down to the global evangelists.
And at dinner, I'm meeting with a major senator's wife,
and I was saying, "You know what would be a good person to run
with your husband on a ticket," and I suggested somebody who was
from the other party.
And it was like, everybody stared at me and I said,
"You know what, I don't know what I'm talking about."
I had no political bearings whatsoever.
I'm a revivalist.
I want to talk about revival.
I don't want to talk about politics.
Sid: Then you find yourself in Trump Towers
with President Trump.
Lance Wallnau: Oy vey.
Sid: And you're saying, "God, how did I get here?"
And he spoke to you.
Lance Wallnau: That was ridiculous.
I mean, I'm on my second trip there and both times I felt
uncomfortable.
But the second trip, I was brought in,
imagine this, I was brought in by some of the African-American
leaders who wanted a deal with building better race
relationships with Donald Trump.
And when I'm up there in the second visit,
and everybody is yelling, all of this activity,
I'm saying I don't want to be in politics.
I don't want to be in race issues.
I just want to preach the Bible.
And that wasn't what the Lord said to me.
"I'm only answering your prayers."
And it was like a clear thought.
I thought I'm off track.
And I said, "Lord, when did I ever pray that I want to get
involved with presidential politics or complicated race
relations?"
The Lord said, "Every time you pray in tongues you tell me you
want to get involved with healing the nation's problems
and I'm putting you where you can do it."
At that moment I thought, my gosh,
like you, I'm a passionate believer in praying in the
Spirit, but I thought I was praying something else.
I thought I was praying for financial support.
I was praying my way into Trump Towers.
Sid: You were praying God's Kingdom be on Earth
as it is in Heaven.
That's what you were praying.
Lance Wallnau: And after that, every time I pray in tongues and
I think I have no idea what I'm setting myself up for,
but it's the plan I've got.
Sid: Okay.
Now we have a phenomena that everyone is talking.
It's called fake news.
You know what's behind that phenomena.
Clue us in.
Lance Wallnau: Yes.
So I'm watching, I know this is a spiritual battle going on with
Trump.
It is clearly a spiritual battle.
And the reason I know that is because just the manifestation.
You're doing a supernatural show.
If there is in your synagogue everything is going wrong and
Jesus comes in, and suddenly, somebody starts screaming and
yelling because you know the problem isn't the new preacher.
The problem is that there's an anointing on what's happening
and it's driving to the surface something that's hidden.
Sid: It's like what happened at the new age festival.
Lance Wallnau: Precisely.
It was the chaos that was going on because of the anointing.
And you and I are looking at it thinking something is wrong.
It was actually an evidence that God's power was visiting.
Sid: But you have identified there was an ancient spirit
behind this.
Tell me about that spirit.
Lance Wallnau: Yes.
Because I'm saying these manifestations in the nation,
the race riots, the this riot, the that,
the Berkeley, these are manifestations of demons,
Sid.
This is demons stirring up flesh into,
and why are people so passionately and ideologically
toxic over this?
Here's how the spirit works.
It is a world-ruling class spirit.
There are spiritual principalities,
powers and rulers of the darkness of this world.
This is a world ruler.
It is the prince behind mind control.
So when you're in like propaganda stuff like Nazi
Germany or in Communist Mao, this spirit works through mind
control on a mass level.
And it works in order to divide people against people.
So Satan knows that he can create poor against rich,
male against female, young against old,
black against white, heterosexual-homosexual.
The more division he can create the more power he can
consolidate.
This spirit is an expert at serving Lucifer in sowing
division to divide people to create new power structures.
Sid: And by the way, it's not just politics.
It's right in your home, right in your church,
right in your children's school.
It doesn't discriminate.
It hits everyone.
Lance, the word "revive" means twisting serpent,
like a crocodile or an alligator.
Tell me why.
Lance Wallnau: It's referred in Job as a creature of the Nile,
so we really do know it's talking about the species.
And the way that it operates is 40 percent of the
crocodile is teeth.
So that tells you that this spirit mostly is in the mouth.
It's mostly a communicating spirit.
Sid: Big mouth.
Lance Wallnau: A big mouth, yes.
And its teeth like a crocodile, when a crocodile fastens on you
it doesn't have the ability to move its jaw,
so what it does, and you see these on
like National Geographic.
You'll see this spinning like in the [unintelligible] this thing
is spinning.
This poor water buffalo is getting tormented.
What they'll do is, two of them at a time will go up
and sneak up.
Here's the key.
They're undetected.
Then they suddenly come up, grab a hold of a limb,
some vulnerable point and they do what's
called the death spiral.
They sink their teeth in and they spin,
and use their body weight to tear the limb off,
and by dismembering they can destroy.
If that isn't working they spin and pull you under into their
realm and cut off the oxygen.
And I'm looking and seeing five times in the Bible the spirit is
referred to as Leviathan and it's in the water.
And Lord, what is it that you're saying about
the operation of this?
And here's the pretty clear truth.
David said, as a king, "All day long do my enemies
twist my words.
They're my enemies without a cause."
Meaning David had political adversaries who would seize on
anything he said in order to distort the meaning of it to
divide his administration.
Sid: You know what, we have all seen that happen in our life.
I won't even mention the names, but two names that are household
words in Christendom, I was at a planning meeting with them and I
spoke for a little bit.
I sat down and one of these two got up and said,
"I'll take what anyone says, but I cannot take
what you just said."
I'm thinking, what did I say?
These are national leaders.
And they said, "You cannot say it is wrong to evangelize
Jewish people."
And I thought that's the last thing I'd ever say.
And a woman sitting next to me said,
I didn't even know, stands up and said,
"He didn't say that."
That was Leviathan.
Lance Wallnau: Exactly.
Sid: Makes no sense whatsoever.
Lance Wallnau: Exactly.
Imagine if he hadn't spoken it.
He could have walked out of there.
Sid: And thought it and gossip.
Lance Wallnau: And thought it, and said to other people in a
closed room, "I heard what Sid Roth said."
And you would then go, [gasp], "He said what now?"
Now the division starts.
Now the dismembering starts and that's how that spirit works.
When this thing works, what I've noticed is I've noticed is that
spirit, it's called the "king over the children of pride" in
Job, which means that when you're under that influence
you'll notice that people that are actually torqued out by this
spirit are not in a teachable moment.
If you try to correct them it's difficult to win the argument,
which is why your approach on dealing with this spirit has to
be the wisdom.
That's why we do training in the material that we've got on how
to deal with.
Because there's three levels of stronghold in politics,
in ideology, in religion, for Islam,
Christian, three levels of stronghold.
And this by the way is in Pentecostal teaching.
This is the three levels of stronghold we work with in
corporations when we're changing a corporate culture.
The first level is opinion.
People just have opinions because they pick
it up like a virus.
They just pick it up on social media and friends.
The second level is belief.
The third level is conviction.
The hardest one to beat is the conviction level.
What this spirit does, when it gets a hold of you is it moves
you almost supernaturally into angry conviction.
People become radically conditioned.
Sid: This is what we're seeing in the fake news?
Lance Wallnau: That's what I'm saying.
It's not even an opinion.
It's a conviction and people are certain they're right.
But pride makes you unteachable, so it's like how do you win the
argument with that.
The spirit is doing a breakup job on America.
It does it on marriages.
It doesn't it on businesses and churches.
Sid: Okay.
We recognize this spirit.
We've seen it operate in our life,
in our families, in our nation.
Enough is enough.
Let's find out how to get rid of it.
Be right back.
[Applause]
We'll be right back to It's Supernatural!
We now return to It's Supernatural!
[Applause]
Sid: Lance, tactically tell me, how does this play out in a
family, in America or Paris, France,
or wherever you're watching?
Lance Wallnau: It's easy to detect once you see it.
So like the creature in the Nile,
you can see those crocodiles, they're floating,
they're eyes are protruding.
And it's like the moment you catch it,
it goes back underground.
If you hit a moment when you are flooded,
Sid, with toxic thoughts that produce rage,
anger, hatred and a sense of violence towards someone or
something or an idea, you can know it's not coming from
Heaven.
Sid: What if you say, but there are real reasons I'm feeling the
way I'm feeling.
There are always reasons.
Lance Wallnau: There's always reasons why that happens.
The secret is that out of nowhere you'll be thinking about
a person or a thing and the feelings will start to come up.
That's the underwater part.
If you can detect it, the moment you can detect it,
and this is particularly important for businesses,
ministries.
We've all seen it.
The setup is this.
You have a bit of a strained relationship with somebody.
All that it takes is one incident,
one wrong word and snap, it's as though everything that you were
thinking about them is confirmed.
And in truth, that first seed that got put in you was a
spiritual seed.
So I tell people this, that you have to be able to catch toxic
thinking towards relationships that are in your life.
Satan is in the business of tearing relationships.
I can't necessarily deal with everything going on around the
world, but I can have authority over what's in my own garden.
And so I'm going to make sure that whatever feelings I have
towards the people that are around me that I catch it when
the feelings come if they're negative and I say,
is that you, Lord?
Is that discerning?
The only time you'll ever get anything negative that's from
Heaven is a discerning of spirits.
Sid: And that's the missing ingredient.
Lance Wallnau: And that's the missing ingredient: discerning.
Jesus knew.
He said, "The man who is going to betray has his hand
on the table."
His spirit was troubled.
That's far different than having toxic thoughts that are hostile
and negative about another person.
When a man gets it towards his wife it's the beginning
of the divorce.
When a woman has it towards her husband it's the loss of respect
that leads to a divorce.
When a child has it towards a parent,
it's the moment they stop listening to correction.
And so the spirit gets, once people get the teaching they see
it and the moment you see it, you can break it.
It's as though you've no longer got control over it.
Sid: Here's the thing that amazes me.
I know if you're dealing with a demon.
You say with a loud voice, "Get out in the name of Jesus!
I bind you!"
And you say that won't have any effect on this spirit.
What does?
Lance Wallnau: And that's the mystery because when you're
dealing with a world ruler like this level,
the smart strategy is to let the Lord do the deliverance.
This is one spirit where what we do is we have to pull out of the
emotional connection.
You see people that get into a fight on the street.
It's going be escalated matched with escalated.
What we have to do is deescalate.
We literally have to go into a place of humility and the love
of God, and it disconnects the power that hook from us.
That doesn't mean that you're not going to come back.
Like for instance, I deal with media.
I have to constantly do what Jesus did.
He said, "Take heed what you hear and take heed
how you hear."
Well how am I supposed to do this when I'm dealing with
political subject matter?
I have to hear what they're saying even if it's Leviathan.
The Lord said, "Take heed how you hear it."
Don't let it get a reaction in you where you start to become a
problem, too.
I have to be able to be in a sense able to see the light,
able to love the voice that's talking to me and able to turn
it around to find out how to show the people what's really
going on.
I can't afford to get hooked in that spirit.
Sid: Lance, would you pray right now for people to operate in
discernment.
I need this discernment because we're coming into a moment in
history like the world has never seen before.
It's a borrowed moment that should have not been there.
But God rearranged things for the destiny of America to
evangelize the world and we need this discernment.
Pray that right now.
Lance Wallnau: We need it.
This spirit of discernment, the one gift that the church needs
most, we talk about word of knowledge,
we love it.
We talk about healing.
We love prophecy, we love faith.
But the discerning of spirits is going to save your life because
it will protect you from the wrong partnership.
It will protect you from being sucked into the wrong fight at
the wrong time.
Here's my prayer.
I pray for you right now that in your marriage,
in your ministry, in your business and in all future
partnerships, especially some of you I sense the favor of God is
on you.
You're entering a new season.
You have to be very careful because winning a favor,
you attract the right and the wrong opportunities.
I pray for the discerning of spirits.
May you discern Leviathan, that twisting serpent when it's
trying to produce division between you and somebody God
called you to walk with an agreement.
I pray in the name of Jesus that you'll have a gut level
spiritual discerning that you won't have to be analyzing with
your head, but you'll have it in your heart as Jesus had it when
his spirit was disturbed because of the breach of covenant
at the table.
Father, I thank you that the discerning of spirits is
operating to understand what manner of spirit we're dealing
with in Jesus's name.
Sid: And Jesus summarized it best:
Love never, never failied.
[Applause]
Sid: Next week on It's Supernatural!
My guest was on an airplane minding his own business and all
of a sudden, he was taken up to Heaven and the Messiah of Israel
said to him, "Tell my people there is more."
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