<b>SID: A DEAD MAN</b> <b>MIRACULOUSLY COMES BACK TO</b>
<b>LIFE ON THIS EDITION OF</b> <b>IT'S SUPERNATURAL.</b>
<b>[MUSIC] CENTURIES HAVE</b> <b>COME AND GONE OFFERING</b>
<b>WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING</b> <b>THROUGHOUT THE AGES.</b>
<b>TODAY THERE SHOULD BE</b> <b>NOTHING BEYOND ONE'S POWER</b>
<b>TO DISCOVER.</b>
<b>BUT YET THE STRANGE,</b> <b>UNUSUAL AND MYSTERIOUS</b>
<b>WORLD OF THE SUPERNATURAL</b> <b>DEFIES UNDERSTANDING.</b>
<b>STAY TUNED FOR A UNIQUE</b> <b>AND POWERFUL INVESTIGATION</b>
<b>INTO A CURIOUS</b> <b>UNDISCOVERED UNIVERSE ONLY</b>
<b>ON IT'S SUPERNATURAL.</b>
<b>SID: HELLO.</b>
<b>I'M SID ROTH YOUR</b> <b>INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER</b>
<b>WITH BILL WOLFSON.</b>
<b>NOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF</b> <b>YOU WERE PASTOR'S PASTOR</b>
<b>AND ONE OF YOUR PASTORS</b> <b>CALLS YOU ONE DAY AND</b>
<b>SAYS, "I THINK GOD IS</b> <b>SHOWING UP.</b>
<b>I THINK SOMETHING</b> <b>WONDERFUL IS GOING ON.</b>
<b>I WANT YOUR OPINION.</b>
<b>I DON'T WANT YOU TO SPEAK.</b>
<b>I WANT YOU TO COME OUT TO</b> <b>MY CHURCH IN MONEE,</b>
<b>ILLINOIS.</b>
<b>THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT</b> <b>HAPPENED TO YOU,</b>
<b>BILL.</b>
<b>YOU WENT THERE.</b>
<b>WHAT HAPPENED?</b>
<b>BILL: WHAT HAPPENED WAS A</b> <b>LITTLE GIRL JUST PUT HER</b>
<b>HANDS, SHE DIDN'T EVEN</b> <b>TOUCH ME,</b>
<b>AND SHE SAID, "FATHER, GET</b> <b>THIS JUNK OUT OF HIM NOW."</b>
<b>SID: JUNK?</b>
<b>BILL: JUNK.</b>
<b>SID: PASTOR'S PASTOR?</b>
<b>TELL ME YOUR BACKGROUND.</b>
<b>BILL: OH YOU KNOW, IT'S</b> <b>AMAZING.</b>
<b>I WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE</b> <b>SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO.</b>
<b>I WAS BROUGHT UP IN A</b> <b>CONSERVATIVE JEWISH</b>
<b>FAMILY.</b>
<b>IN FACT, IT'S REALLY THE</b> <b>TRUTH.</b>
<b>WHEN MY FRIENDS GOT CAUGHT</b> <b>SMOKING MARIJUANA BEHIND</b>
<b>THE GARAGE, I GOT CAUGHT</b> <b>EATING PORK RIBS.</b>
<b>I MEAN, I WAS BROUGHT UP</b> <b>IN A KOSHER BETWEEN</b>
<b>CONSERVATIVE AND ORTHODOX</b> <b>FAMILY.</b>
<b>AND I MEAN, MY LIFE WAS</b> <b>ABSOLUTELY A DREAM LIFE.</b>
<b>I WAS A CHILD ACTOR.</b>
<b>FROM AGE 10 TO 16, I WAS</b> <b>IN PROFESSIONAL ACTING.</b>
<b>I WAS IN THE TRAVELING</b> <b>COMPANY WITH "MAME" WITH</b>
<b>CYD CHARISSE.</b>
<b>I WAS IN "MUSIC MAN" WITH</b> <b>FOREST TUCKER.</b>
<b>I WORKED WITH CESAR</b> <b>ROMERO.</b>
<b>IN FACT I WORKED WITH A</b> <b>NUMBER OF WESTERN STARS.</b>
<b>YOU REMEMBER JAMES DRURY</b> <b>FROM "THE VIRGINIAN",</b>
<b>NICK BARKLEY FROM "BIG</b> <b>VALLEY" SID: OH YEAH.</b>
<b>BILL: HUGH O'BRIEN FROM</b> <b>"WYATT EARP".</b>
<b>I WAS IN A PLAY CALLED "A</b> <b>THOUSAND CLOWNS" WITH ALL</b>
<b>THREE OF THEM AT THREE</b> <b>DIFFERENT DISTINCT TIMES.</b>
<b>I MEAN, I HAD A PRIVATE</b> <b>TUTOR FOR SIX YEARS.</b>
<b>SID: HOW DOES A JEWISH MAN</b> <b>FROM A,</b>
<b>I CALL IT, CONSERVADOX</b> <b>BACKGROUND.</b>
<b>BILL: CONSERVADOX, THAT'S</b> <b>RIGHT.</b>
<b>SID: WHO'S ON HIS WAY TO</b> <b>BEING A SUPERSTAR BECOME A</b>
<b>BELIEVER IN JESUS?</b>
<b>BILL: YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL</b> <b>STRANGE.</b>
<b>I LOOK BACK IT AND, YOU</b> <b>KNOW,</b>
<b>IT MAKES NO SENSE.</b>
<b>YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT</b> <b>IT'S SUPERNATURAL,</b>
<b>IT MAKES NO SENSE IN THE</b> <b>NATURAL.</b>
<b>WHEN I WAS 16 YEARS OF AGE</b> <b>I BECAME A HAS-BEEN.</b>
<b>YOU SEE, BECAUSE I'M</b> <b>5-FOOT-5 AND 3/4,</b>
<b>I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT</b> <b>3/4,</b>
<b>BECAUSE I WAS 5-FOOT-5 AND</b> <b>3/4,</b>
<b>I WAS ABLE TO PLAY YOUNG</b> <b>CHILDREN UNTIL I WAS 16,</b>
<b>16-1/2, UNTIL I STARTED</b> <b>SHAPING.</b>
<b>AND YOU KNOW, DIRECTORS</b> <b>PREFER TO WORK WITH OLDER</b>
<b>KIDS THAT CAN STILL</b> <b>PORTRAY YOUNGER PARTS.</b>
<b>IT'S MUCH MORE CONVENIENT.</b>
<b>WELL AFTER HAVING A TUTOR</b> <b>FOR SIX YEARS,</b>
<b>ALL OF A SUDDEN I WAS IN A</b> <b>HIGH SCHOOL ON THE SOUTH</b>
<b>SIDE OF CHICAGO OF 4300</b> <b>STUDENTS.</b>
<b>NOW I HADN'T BEEN A HIGH</b> <b>SCHOOL FOR ALL THESE YEARS</b>
<b>AND I TOOK A CLASS.</b>
<b>I WAS ABSOLUTELY DEPRESSED</b> <b>TO BE THRUST OUT OF DRAMA</b>
<b>AND THRUST INTO SECULAR</b> <b>EDUCATION.</b>
<b>AND I TOOK A CLASS CALLED</b> <b>INDEPENDENT READING.</b>
<b>I MEAN, IT WAS AN</b> <b>ABSOLUTELY MICKEY MOUSE</b>
<b>CLASS.</b>
<b>AND THE GOAL WAS TO READ X</b> <b>AMOUNT OF BOOKS IN THE</b>
<b>COURSE OF A YEAR, AND THEN</b> <b>YOU CAN GET AN A IN THE</b>
<b>CLASS.</b>
<b>I STARTED READING A LOT OF</b> <b>DIFFERENT BIOGRAPHIES ON</b>
<b>DIFFERENT SPORTS</b> <b>ACTIVISTS.</b>
<b>AND I MEAN, I READ THE</b> <b>STORY ABOUT BOB GIBSON,</b>
<b>A GUY NAME RON LEFLORE.</b>
<b>I MEAN, YOU NAME IT, ALL</b> <b>THESE DIFFERENT ATHLETES.</b>
<b>AND THERE WAS A BOOK THAT</b> <b>WAS MISSHELVED,</b>
<b>I CALL GOD-SHELVED IN THE</b> <b>LIBRARY AT</b>
<b>HOMEWOOD-FLOSSMOOR HIGH</b> <b>SCHOOL.</b>
<b>IT WAS CALLED, "RUN BABY</b> <b>RUN".</b>
<b>WELL I THOUGHT, WELL THIS</b> <b>IS PROBABLY A BOOK ABOUT A</b>
<b>GANG LEADER THAT BECAME AN</b> <b>ATHLETE,</b>
<b>BECAUSE I JUST READ THE</b> <b>BOOK ABOUT GATES BROWN WHO</b>
<b>USED TO PLAY FOR THE</b> <b>DETROIT TIGERS,</b>
<b>AND LATER ON HE GOT OUT OF</b> <b>PRISON AND BECAME A</b>
<b>BASEBALL PLAYER, THAT TYPE</b> <b>OF STORY.</b>
<b>I READ THE BOOK.</b>
<b>IT WAS ABOUT NICKY CRUZ,</b> <b>THIS GUY THAT WAS A GANG</b>
<b>BANGER IN HARLEM, NEW</b> <b>YORK,</b>
<b>AND HOW HE BECAME THIS</b> <b>THING CALLED,</b>
<b>I WAS A JEW, A MESHUGANAH,</b> <b>I CALLED IT A BORN-AGAIN</b>
<b>CHRISTIAN OR SOMETHING</b> <b>LIKE THAT.</b>
<b>I READ THE BOOK AND I JUST</b> <b>BEGAN TO WEEP AND WEEP.</b>
<b>IT ABSOLUTELY IMPACTED MY</b> <b>LIFE.</b>
<b>AND THAT DAY I JUST LOOKED</b> <b>UP TO THE HEAVENS AND I</b>
<b>USED TO ALWAYS PRAY IN</b> <b>HEBREW,</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, [HEBREW] BARUCH </b> <i><b>ATAH ADONAI</b></i>
<b>AND ALL</b> <b>THAT STUFF.</b>
<b>AND I SAID, I MEAN, HOW</b> <b>COULD I SAY THIS,</b>
<b>SOMETHING AS WEIRD AS</b> <b>JESUS.</b>
<b>I HAD NEVER READ THE NEW</b> <b>TESTAMENT.</b>
<b>THE NAME JESUS WAS SO</b> <b>UNCOMFORTABLE.</b>
<b>IT JUST DIDN'T ROLL OFF MY</b> <b>LIPS CORRECTLY.</b>
<b>AND I SAID, "JESUS, IF</b> <b>YOU'RE REALLY GOD,</b>
<b>IF YOU'RE REALLY THE</b> <b>ANSWER,</b>
<b>SHOW ME."</b>
<b>YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?</b>
<b>SID: WHAT?</b>
<b>BILL: NOTHING.</b>
<b>THE NEXT THREE AND HALF</b> <b>YEARS OF MY LIFE I</b>
<b>CONTINUED TO DEAL</b> <b>MARIJUANA,</b>
<b>CONTINUED TO DEAL WITH</b> <b>DIFFERENT HALLUCINOGENICS,</b>
<b>DEALT MORE WITH</b> <b>BARBITURATES,</b>
<b>AND I MEAN, IT REALLY HAD</b> <b>NO REAL IMPACT.</b>
<b>THEN A FEW YEARS LATER I</b> <b>MET A GUY NAMED JOHN.</b>
<b>HE WAS A BAPTIST.</b>
<b>WE CALLED HIM JOHN THE</b> <b>BAPTIST,</b>
<b>AND HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT</b> <b>JESUS AND JESUS,</b>
<b>AND JESUS.</b>
<b>AND I HAD A REAL</b> <b>INTERESTING SITUATION</b>
<b>HAPPEN.</b>
<b>WE RAN OUT OF MATCHES FOR</b> <b>OUR MARIJUANA.</b>
<b>WE WERE HAVING A PARTY IN</b> <b>MY APARTMENT.</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS</b> <b>WATER PIPE,</b>
<b>WE CALLED IT A BONG.</b>
<b>AND SO I WENT DOWN THE</b> <b>DORMITORY HALL AND I</b>
<b>KNOCKED ON SOMEBODY'S</b> <b>DOOR,</b>
<b>NEVER EVEN MET THEM.</b>
<b>ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY OPEN</b> <b>THE DOOR,</b>
<b>SOMEBODY FROM MY HISTORY</b> <b>CLASS,</b>
<b>AND THERE WERE ABOUT 40</b> <b>PEOPLE IN THIS STUDIO</b>
<b>APARTMENT, NOT EVEN A</b> <b>ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT.</b>
<b>AND THEY GOT ALL THESE</b> <b>BOOKS OUT THERE.</b>
<b>I DIDN'T KNOW, THEY LOOKED</b> <b>LIKE THE TANAKH.</b>
<b>THEY LOOKED LIKE THE OLD</b> <b>TESTAMENT,</b>
<b>LIKE THE BIBLE.</b>
<b>I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS</b> <b>THE WHOLE BIBLE.</b>
<b>THEY SAID, "BILLY, COME ON</b> <b>IN."</b>
<b>AND I SAID, "CAN I BORROW</b> <b>SOME MATCHES."</b>
<b>"SURE" AND THEY GAVE ME</b> <b>MATCHES.</b>
<b>I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE</b> <b>WHERE I WAS AT.</b>
<b>THEY SAID, "CAN WE PRAY</b> <b>FOR YOU?"</b>
<b>I SAID, SURE.</b>
<b>BEING A JEW I THOUGHT THEY</b> <b>STOOD AT THIS THING,</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE THING</b> <b>CALLED THE MEZUZAH.</b>
<b>I THOUGHT THEY'D STAND BY</b> <b>THEIR DOORPOST AND THEY'D</b>
<b>KISS THE THING LIKE WE</b> <b>USED TO DO AS JEWS,</b>
<b>AND THEN THEY'D, YOU KNOW,</b> <b>SAY A LITTLE PRAYER FOR</b>
<b>ME.</b>
<b>SO THEY SAID, "CAN WE PRAY</b> <b>FOR YOU?"</b>
<b>I SAID, "SURE."</b>
<b>I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY</b> <b>MEANT NOW.</b>
<b>THEY GRABBED ME BY THE</b> <b>HAND,</b>
<b>SID.</b>
<b>SOMEBODY GRABBED ME ON THE</b> <b>OTHER HAND AND THEY</b>
<b>STARTED SPEAKING IN SOME</b> <b>KIND OF WEIRD LANGUAGE.</b>
<b>I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I</b> <b>DIDN'T KNOW THIS TERM</b>
<b>"RAPTURE" LIKE THIS THING</b> <b>ABOUT GOING UP TO BE IN</b>
<b>HEAVEN OR SOMETHING.</b>
<b>IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT</b> <b>THAT WORD "RAPTURE" MEANT</b>
<b>I WOULD HAVE PRAYED FOR IT</b> <b>THAT MOMENT.</b>
<b>I WAS SO UNCOMFORTABLE.</b>
<b>SID: I'M SURE.</b>
<b>BILLY: BUT SOMETHING JUST</b> <b>CLICKED INSIDE OF ME.</b>
<b>AND I'M SAYING, GOD DON'T</b> <b>INTERFERE WITH MY PLANS.</b>
<b>I'M GRADUATING COLLEGE AT</b> <b>19.</b>
<b>I'M ON MY WAY TO LAW</b> <b>SCHOOL AT NORTHWESTERN</b>
<b>UNIVERSITY.</b>
<b>I DON'T HAVE TIME TO</b> <b>BECOME THIS,</b>
<b>I DIDN'T KNOW, I GUESS HE</b> <b>CALLED IT A CHRISTIAN OR</b>
<b>SOMETHING.</b>
<b>I MEAN, THIS IS SO</b> <b>ANTITHETICAL.</b>
<b>I COME FROM A WEALTHY</b> <b>FAMILY.</b>
<b>MY WHOLE LIFE WAS PLANNED</b> <b>OUT FOR ME.</b>
<b>MY MOM USED TO LOOK AT MY</b> <b>BROTHER BOBBY,</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, AND SHE USED TO</b> <b>INTRODUCE US THIS WAY,</b>
<b>"THIS IS MY SON BOBBY THE</b> <b>LAWYER,</b>
<b>MY SON BILLY THE DOCTOR."</b>
<b>I MEAN, I HAD A PLAN.</b>
<b>I HAD A DIRECTION.</b>
<b>SID: DID YOU BECOME AN</b> <b>ATTORNEY?</b>
<b>BILL: YOU KNOW, I WENT TO</b> <b>LAW SCHOOL AT NORTHWESTERN</b>
<b>UNIVERSITY AND RIGHT THERE</b> <b>IN THE FIRST SEMESTER AT</b>
<b>NORTHWESTERN I HAD THE</b> <b>STRANGEST EXPERIENCE.</b>
<b>LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT IT.</b>
<b>IT WAS ON, I LOOK BACK AT</b> <b>IT.</b>
<b>IT WAS ON MARCH 14, 1977.</b>
<b>I WAS WITH A GROUP OF</b> <b>PEOPLE.</b>
<b>IN FACT, THERE WERE SEVEN</b> <b>JEWISH PEOPLE IN MY CIRCLE</b>
<b>AND ONE OF THEM BECAME</b> <b>THIS THING CALLED A</b>
<b>CHRISTIAN.</b>
<b>HIS NAME WAS BOB SHELDON.</b>
<b>HE WAS A COKE DEALER.</b>
<b>I MEAN, HE WAS MY BEST</b> <b>FRIEND'S BROTHER.</b>
<b>I'M SAYING, OH GOD, WHAT</b> <b>IS GOING ON HERE.</b>
<b>I ACTUALLY BECAME</b> <b>IRRITATED.</b>
<b>I WAS LIKE, THERE'S THIS</b> <b>GUY IN THE BIBLE CALLED</b>
<b>PAUL, SAUL OF TARSUS OR</b> <b>SOMETHING.</b>
<b>I BECAME AN AGITATOR.</b>
<b>I MEAN, I JUST PERSECUTED</b> <b>HIM.</b>
<b>I CURSED AT HIM.</b>
<b>I WAS DEROGATORY.</b>
<b>ANYWAY, HE SAID, "YOU KNOW</b> <b>WHAT BILL,</b>
<b>IN THE BIBLE, IN THE OLD</b> <b>TESTAMENT AND IN THE NEW</b>
<b>TESTAMENT GOD PROMISES</b> <b>HE'LL SHOW SIGNS AND</b>
<b>WONDERS, SUPERNATURAL</b> <b>THINGS TO UNBELIEVERS."</b>
<b>AND I FIGURED, THAT'S ME.</b>
<b>SO ANYWAY, SO I SAID,</b> <b>"LORD,</b>
<b>IF JESUS IS THE ANSWER," I</b> <b>DIDN'T EVEN MEAN IT.</b>
<b>I WASN'T EVEN SINCERE.</b>
<b>I WAS REALLY KIND OF LIKE,</b> <b>KIND OF LIKE THIS GUY IN</b>
<b>THE BIBLE CALLED KING OF</b> <b>AGRIPPA.</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, HE ALMOST</b> <b>PERSUADED ME.</b>
<b>SID: WHAT HAPPENED?</b>
<b>BILL: I SAID, "IF YOU'RE</b> <b>REAL,</b>
<b>SHOW ME."</b>
<b>WHAT HAPPENED WAS MY</b> <b>FATHER HAD A PROBLEM WITH</b>
<b>HIS FATHER.</b>
<b>MY FATHER CAME FROM RUSSIA</b> <b>DURING THE BOLSHEVIK</b>
<b>REVOLUTION IN 1917.</b>
<b>HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIS</b> <b>FATHER,</b>
<b>HADN'T VISITED HIM IN</b> <b>SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS.</b>
<b>I SAID, "IF YOU'RE REAL I</b> <b>WANT MY FATHER DAVID</b>
<b>MICHAEL WOLFSON, SOUTH</b> <b>SIDE CHICAGO TO VISIT HIS</b>
<b>FATHER."</b>
<b>I PRAYED THIS ON A FRIDAY</b> <b>NIGHT.</b>
<b>IT WAS MARCH 11, 1977.</b>
<b>I CALLED ON MARCH 10TH OR</b> <b>11TH.</b>
<b>I CALLED HOME THAT</b> <b>SATURDAY MORNING.</b>
<b>FORGOT I EVEN PRAYED THE</b> <b>PRAYER.</b>
<b>I SAID, "MOM, CAN I TALK</b> <b>TO DAD FOR A SECOND?"</b>
<b>SHE SAID, "BILLY, YOU</b> <b>WON'T BELIEVE THIS.</b>
<b>A MIRACLE HAPPENED.</b>
<b>I'VE BEEN NUDGING YOUR</b> <b>FATHER FOR YEARS TO GO SEE</b>
<b>HIS FATHER OVER AT THE</b> <b>DREXEL RETIREMENT HOME.</b>
<b>THIS MORNING HE GOT UP AND</b> <b>SAID,</b>
<b>'JEAN, THIS WILL SOUND</b> <b>STRANGE,</b>
<b>BUT I THINK I'M SUPPOSED</b> <b>TO GO SEE MY DAD.'" AND HE</b>
<b>WENT TO THE RETIREMENT</b> <b>HOME.</b>
<b>SID: WHAT DID YOU TAKE</b> <b>THAT AS?</b>
<b>BILL: YOU KNOW WHAT?</b>
<b>THIS IS WHAT'S BIZARRE.</b>
<b>WHEN THE SUPERNATURAL</b> <b>HAPPENS AND WE'RE IN THE</b>
<b>MIDDLE OF THIS SCRIPT WE</b> <b>DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT'S</b>
<b>SUPERNATURAL.</b>
<b>I THOUGHT, THIS IS LIKE AN</b> <b>ESP THING OR A CLAIRVOYANT</b>
<b>THING, OR SOMETHING</b> <b>STRANGE.</b>
<b>SO ANYWAY, THAT WASN'T</b> <b>GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.</b>
<b>SO THE NEXT THING THAT I</b> <b>DID WAS,</b>
<b>I SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT</b> <b>GOD,</b>
<b>IF YOU'RE REALLY REAL, I</b> <b>DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY</b>
<b>JEW THAT ACCEPTS THIS</b> <b>JESUS GUY."</b>
<b>I MEAN, I WAS ALWAYS</b> <b>BROUGHT UP WITH THIS THING</b>
<b>CALLED THE SHEMA.</b>
<b>WE USED TO SAY, [HEBREW].</b> <i><b>SH'MA YIS'RA'EIL ADONAI</b></i> <i><b>ELOHEINU</b></i>
<b>SID: OF COURSE.</b>
<b>BILL: "HEAR O ISRAEL, THE</b> <b>LORD THY GOD,</b>
<b>THE LORD IS ONE GOD."</b>
<b>I COULDN'T ACCEPT THIS NEW</b> <b>MATH THING,</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, THREE GODS, ONE,</b> <b>YOU KNOW,</b>
<b>THIS TRINITY THING.</b>
<b>I MEAN, THAT WAS JUST</b> <b>RELIGIOUS AND I JUST</b>
<b>COULDN'T ACCEPT THAT.</b>
<b>SO I SAID, IF THIS IS</b> <b>REALLY THE TRUTH,</b>
<b>I WANT TO SEE OTHER JEWISH</b> <b>FRIENDS GET SAVED.</b>
<b>ON MARCH 12TH, MY ROOMMATE</b> <b>IN COLLEGE MARTIN SHELDON</b>
<b>COMES TO ME, "BILL!</b>
<b>BILL, I JUST BECAME A</b> <b>CHRISTIAN."</b>
<b>YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR</b> <b>WHAT I SAID.</b>
<b>I CAN'T SAY THIS ON</b> <b>TELEVISION.</b>
<b>I WAS TICKED.</b>
<b>I WASN'T EVEN LOOKING FOR</b> <b>THIS PRAYER TO BE</b>
<b>ANSWERED.</b>
<b>SID: NO WONDER THAT</b> <b>11-YEAR-OLD GIRL SAID,</b>
<b>"GET THE JUNK OUT OF HIM."</b>
<b>BUT LET ME TELL YOU</b> <b>SOMETHING.</b>
<b>THIS GETS SO AMAZING.</b>
<b>WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.</b>
<b>(SWOOSH SOUND)</b>
<b>WE'LL RETURN WITH SID ROTH</b> <b>AND IT'S SUPERNATURAL</b>
<b>RIGHT AFTER THIS.</b>
<b>(SWOOSH SOUND)</b>
<b>SID: HELLO.</b>
<b>I'M SID ROTH YOUR</b> <b>INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER.</b>
<b>I'M SPEAKING TO BILL</b> <b>WOLFSON,</b>
<b>A JEWISH MAN THAT IS</b> <b>RESISTING AND RESISTING</b>
<b>SIGN AFTER SIGN FROM GOD</b> <b>THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH.</b>
<b>AND HE'S SAYING, I'M A</b> <b>TOUGH NUT TO CRACK.</b>
<b>GOD, SAVE SOME OF MY</b> <b>FRIENDS,</b>
<b>MY JEWISH ROOMMATE.</b>
<b>AND HIS JEWISH ROOMMATE,</b> <b>HE BECAME A BELIEVER.</b>
<b>WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?</b>
<b>BILL: AGAIN, I NEVER</b> <b>EXPECTED IT TO HAPPEN.</b>
<b>ALL OF A SUDDEN, WARREN</b> <b>ENGLEBERG,</b>
<b>ANOTHER JEWISH FRIEND GETS</b> <b>SAVED. </b> <b>SID: SOUNDS JEWISH TO ME.</b>
<b>BILL: THIS IS ALL IN THREE</b> <b>DAYS.</b>
<b>THEN YOU GOT RICHARD</b> <b>WARREN.</b>
<b>WE CALLED HIM DICKY</b> <b>WARREN, A DRUMMER,</b>
<b>HE GETS SAVED.</b>
<b>THEN MARK'S MOTHER ADEL</b> <b>GETS SAVED,</b>
<b>FATHER FRED GETS SAVED,</b> <b>BROTHER GEORGE GETS SAVED.</b>
<b>THEN HIS BROTHER DAVID</b> <b>GETS SAVED.</b>
<b>SID: WAS THAT ENOUGH?</b>
<b>WAS THAT ENOUGH JEWISH</b> <b>PEOPLE FROM YOUR PRAYER?</b>
<b>BILL: ON MARCH 14, 1977,</b> <b>AT EIGHT P.M.,</b>
<b>I FELL ON MY FACE AND I</b> <b>CRIED OUT FOR THE FIRST</b>
<b>TIME IN MY LIFE, "JESUS!"</b>
<b>CAN YOU BELIEVE I SAID</b> <b>THIS? - SID: THAT MUST</b> <b>HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT.</b>
<b>BILL: "JESUS, COME INTO MY</b> <b>HEART.</b>
<b>BE MY LORD AND SAVIOR."</b>
<b>I MEAN, I REALIZED I'M OUT</b> <b>OF THE WILL.</b>
<b>I REALIZED MY PARENTS ARE</b> <b>GOING TO HAVE A FUNERAL</b>
<b>FOR ME.</b>
<b>THAT'S WHAT JEWS DO.</b>
<b>THEY SIT SHIVA.</b>
<b>THAT'S LIKE A WHOLE WEEK</b> <b>OF MORNING AS A RESULT OF</b>
<b>WHAT I'M DOING.</b>
<b>I'M CRYING OUT TO JESUS</b> <b>AND AT THAT MOMENT,</b>
<b>HE ANSWERS.</b>
<b>HE NOT ONLY DOES THAT, ALL</b> <b>OF A SUDDEN I STARTED</b>
<b>SPEAKING IN A WEIRD</b> <b>LANGUAGE AND IT WASN'T</b>
<b>HEBREW. IT WASN'T [HEBREW]</b> <i><b>BARUCH ATAH ADONAI</b></i>
<b>IT WAS LIKE THIS WEIRD</b> <b>TONGUE THING AND I HAD NO</b>
<b>IDEA WHAT IT WAS.</b>
<b>IT FREAKED ME OUT.</b>
<b>HERE I AM SPEAKING IN A</b> <b>TONGUE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN</b>
<b>I'M SAYING SOME OTHER</b> <b>WORDS ALONG WITH IT THAT</b>
<b>AREN'T ALL THAT CHRISTIAN,</b> <b>YOU KNOW,</b>
<b>BECAUSE I AM SCARED.</b>
<b>I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S</b> <b>HAPPENING INSIDE OF ME.</b>
<b>AND THEN I HEARD AS</b> <b>CLEARLY AS WE'RE TALKING</b>
<b>RIGHT NOW, I HEARD THIS</b> <b>VOICE FROM GOD,</b>
<b>YAHWEH OR WHOEVER, AND HE</b> <b>SAID,</b>
<b>"YOU'RE DROPPING OUT OF</b> <b>LAW SCHOOL THIS WEEK.</b>
<b>IT'S OVER."</b>
<b>SID: DID YOU, HOW DID YOU</b> <b>FEEL?</b>
<b>BILL: OH I FELT BETRAYED.</b>
<b>I FELT DEFRAUDED.</b>
<b>THIS IS MY WHOLE LIFE.</b>
<b>I WANTED TO BE A LAWYER</b> <b>SINCE I WAS TEN YEARS OF</b>
<b>AGE.</b>
<b>AND HE SAID, "I'VE CALLED</b> <b>YOU TO,</b>
<b>LISTEN TO THIS, THIS</b> <b>MIGHT BE TOO WEIRD,</b>
<b>"PREACH THE GOSPEL."</b>
<b>AND I HAD NEVER READ ONE</b> <b>VERSE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT</b>
<b>IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND MY</b> <b>WHOLE LIFE CHANGED THAT</b>
<b>NIGHT.</b>
<b>SID: IT CHANGED SO MUCH.</b>
<b>GIVE ME A PICTURE OF WHERE</b> <b>YOU ARE JUST BEFORE THAT</b>
<b>YOUNG GIRL LAID HANDS ON</b> <b>YOU AND PRAYED FOR YOU IN</b>
<b>MONEE, ILLINOIS.</b>
<b>BILL: OH, HOW MUCH IT'S</b> <b>CHANGED.</b>
<b>FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T</b> <b>MARRY A JEWISH WOMAN.</b>
<b>I MARRIED A MENNONITE AND</b> <b>TODAY I GOT FIVE</b>
<b>JEWMENITES, FIVE JEWMENITE</b> <b>CHILDREN.</b>
<b>AND HOW IT'S CHANGED IS I</b> <b>WENT ON AND BECAME THE</b>
<b>PASTOR OF A CHURCH.</b>
<b>SID: HOW LARGE IS IT?</b>
<b>BILL: IT'S ABOUT 2000-PLUS</b> <b>AND GROWING RAPIDLY.</b>
<b>WE'RE IN A $13 MILLION</b> <b>BUILDING,</b>
<b>SEATS ABOUT 3000.</b>
<b>SID: SO WHEN THIS YOUNG</b> <b>11-YEAR-OLD PUTS HER HANDS</b>
<b>ON YOU AND SAYS: BILL:</b> <b>"FATHER,</b>
<b>GET THIS JUNK OUT OF HIM</b> <b>NOW!"</b>
<b>SID: WHAT HAPPENED?</b>
<b>BILL: I FELL DOWN.</b>
<b>I WANTED TO REBUKE HER AND</b> <b>SAY,</b>
<b>"WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE.</b>
<b>I KNOW YOUR FATHER.</b>
<b>I KNOW THIS CHURCH.</b>
<b>I HAVE SPOKEN IN THIS</b> <b>CHURCH 50,</b>
<b>60, 70 TIMES."</b>
<b>I WAS READY TO REBUKE HER.</b>
<b>I LITERALLY WAS LIKE</b> <b>LIFTED OFF THE FLOOR,</b>
<b>THROWN BACKWARDS AND I WAS</b> <b>JUST ON THE FLOOR FOR THE</b>
<b>NEXT FEW HOURS.</b>
<b>AND DURING THIS TIME, I</b> <b>MEAN,</b>
<b>THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME</b> <b>BEFORE.</b>
<b>AND SID, PEOPLE THINK I'M</b> <b>ABSOLUTELY INSANE WHEN I</b>
<b>SAY IT, BUT I HEARD THE</b> <b>AUDIBLE VOICE OF GOD.</b>
<b>SID: YOU MEAN PREVIOUS TO</b> <b>THE POINT YOU HEARD GOD IN</b>
<b>AN IMPRESSION, BUT THIS</b> <b>TIME IT WAS AUDIBLE?</b>
<b>BILL: OH YEAH.</b>
<b>I HEARD HIM IN MY HEART.</b>
<b>I HEARD HIM IN MY MIND.</b>
<b>SOMETIME I THOUGHT IT WAS</b> <b>HIM.</b>
<b>SOMETIMES IT WAS ME,</b> <b>SOMETIMES IT WAS MY WIFE,</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, KVETCHING, AS WE</b> <b>SAY IN YIDDISH,</b>
<b>YOU KNOW, COMPLAINING.</b>
<b>SID: I UNDERSTAND.</b>
<b>SOMETIMES IT WAS THE</b> <b>PIZZA.</b>
<b>BILL: THE PEPPERONI PIZZA.</b>
<b>BUT THIS WAS UNDENIABLY,</b> <b>UNMISTAKABLY GOD.</b>
<b>AND HE SAID, "YOU'RE</b> <b>ARROGANT.</b>
<b>YOU'RE PRIDEFUL.</b>
<b>YOU'RE SELF-CENTERED."</b>
<b>HE SAYS, "IF YOU DON'T LET</b> <b>ME GET THIS JUNK OUT OF</b>
<b>YOUR LIFE, THIS PRIDE,</b> <b>THIS ARROGANCE,</b>
<b>HE SAYS, "YOU BECOME LIKE</b> <b>A CEO,</b>
<b>THE HEAD OF A CORPORATION,</b> <b>NOT A CHURCH."</b>
<b>HE SAID, "HEY BRO, IT'S</b> <b>OVER FOR YOU."</b>
<b>SID: DID HE USE THOSE</b> <b>WORDS?</b>
<b>BILL: WELL HE USED SOME</b> <b>OTHER MORE SPIRITUAL</b>
<b>WORDS.</b>
<b>BUT I MEAN, I'VE GOT TO</b> <b>BRING THEM.</b>
<b>BOTTOM LINE, HE SAID, "IF</b> <b>YOU DON'T WANT ME,</b>
<b>WHAT HE SAID WAS HE SAID</b> <b>SOMETHING OUT OF THE</b>
<b>BIBLE, THE BOOK OF</b> <b>REVELATION.</b>
<b>HE SAID, "I'M GOING TO</b> <b>PULL THIS THING CALLED A</b>
<b>CANDLESTICK OUT OF YOU."</b>
<b>I'M GOING, WHAT IN THE</b> <b>WORLD IS THIS CANDLESTICK?</b>
<b>AND HE SAID, VERY SIMPLY,</b> <b>HE SAID,</b>
<b>"ALL OF THE TOOLS YOU NEED</b> <b>TO MINISTER THE WAY YOU</b>
<b>NEED TO MINISTER, YOU'RE</b> <b>GOING TO LOSE THEM.</b>
<b>IT'S OVER.</b>
<b>IT'S GONE."</b>
<b>AND HE BEGAN TO SHARE WITH</b> <b>ME,</b>
<b>MANY PEOPLE TODAY DON'T GO</b> <b>TO CHURCHES BECAUSE SO</b>
<b>MANY OF US PREACHERS HAVE</b> <b>BECOME PHONIES.</b>
<b>WE'VE BECOME SO CONTRIVED.</b>
<b>WE'VE BECOME SO</b> <b>THEATRICAL.</b>
<b>AND HE SAID, "IF YOU DON'T</b> <b>LET ME GET THIS STUFF OUT</b>
<b>OF YOUR LIFE IT'S OVER."</b>
<b>YOU KNOW WHAT I SAID?</b>
<b>I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO</b> <b>DIE.</b>
<b>I THOUGHT THAT IF I DIDN'T</b> <b>CHANGE ON THAT SPOT,</b>
<b>I WAS ADDICTED TO DRUGS AT</b> <b>THIS TIME.</b>
<b>SID: TO DRUGS?</b>
<b>BILL: TO DRUGS.</b>
<b>I WAS A DRUG ADDICT.</b>
<b>NOW LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU.</b>
<b>THEY WERE PHARMACEUTICAL.</b>
<b>THE DOCTOR PRESCRIBED</b> <b>THEM.</b>
<b>WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS I HAD</b> <b>AN INJURY IN A RESTAURANT</b>
<b>ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.</b>
<b>I WAS HIT IN THE BACK BY A</b> <b>BRASS HANDLE ON THE DOOR</b>
<b>WHILE I WAS ON THE</b> <b>TELEPHONE,</b>
<b>FROM A DRUNK THAT WAS</b> <b>COMING OUT OF THE</b>
<b>BATHROOM, AND IT DID NERVE</b> <b>DAMAGE TO MY SCAPULA AND</b>
<b>MY RHOMBOIDS.</b>
<b>THE EMG TESTS AND</b> <b>EVERYTHING SHOWED SEVERE</b>
<b>NERVE DAMAGE.</b>
<b>I WAS IN ONGOING PAIN.</b>
<b>I WAS TAKING EIGHT</b> <b>PERCOCET AND EIGHT SOMA A</b>
<b>DAY.</b>
<b>THOSE ARE VERY SERIOUS</b> <b>PHARMACEUTICAL</b>
<b>MEDICATIONS.</b>
<b>AND I NEVER EVEN ASKED FOR</b> <b>A HEALING.</b>
<b>WHILE I WAS ON THE FLOOR</b> <b>HE SAID,</b>
<b>"YOU DRUG ADDICT.</b>
<b>I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T</b> <b>HEAL YOU ALL THESE YEARS."</b>
<b>HE SAID, "I HAD A MIRACLE</b> <b>FOR YOU,</b>
<b>A SUPERNATURAL OCCURRENCE</b> <b>AND YOU MISSED IT."</b>
<b>I GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING.</b>
<b>I WAS WITH A FRIEND OF</b> <b>MINE BY THE NAME OF CARL.</b>
<b>I JUST FELT THIS</b> <b>IMPRESSION,</b>
<b>LET'S GO LIFT WEIGHT.</b>
<b>I HADN'T LIFTED WEIGHTS</b> <b>FOR THE LONGEST TIME.</b>
<b>WE LIFTED WEIGHTS, NO</b> <b>PAIN.</b>
<b>I COULDN'T LIFT MY ARM</b> <b>HIGHER THAN THIS.</b>
<b>I HAD THIS CREPITUS,</b> <b>MEANING THIS CRACKLING IN</b>
<b>MY SUPRASCAPULA,</b> <b>ABSOLUTELY GONE,</b>
<b>ABSOLUTELY HEALED.</b>
<b>TOTALLY CHANGED.</b>
<b>SID: WHAT ABOUT THE DRUG</b> <b>ADDICTION?</b>
<b>BILL: YOU KNOW WHAT?</b>
<b>WHEN COME OFF PERCOCET OR</b> <b>SOMA,</b>
<b>YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO DO</b> <b>WHAT'S CALLED SUNSET FOR</b>
<b>ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR</b> <b>BECAUSE YOUR BODY AND YOUR</b>
<b>MIND BECOMES VERY</b> <b>DEPENDENT ON IT.</b>
<b>STOP TAKING IT, NEVER</b> <b>NEEDED ANOTHER ONE SINCE,</b>
<b>TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY</b> <b>HEALED.</b>
<b>SID: NOW BOTTOM LINE, WHAT</b> <b>DID GOD SAY TO YOU WHEN</b>
<b>YOU WERE ON THE FLOOR?</b>
<b>BILL: BOTTOM LINE IS HE</b> <b>SAID,</b>
<b>"LISTEN," HE SAYS, "I WANT</b> <b>TO USE YOU,</b>
<b>AND HE USED THIS WEIRD</b> <b>WORD IN THE CONTEXT OF</b>
<b>RESTORATION AND REVIVAL.</b>
<b>I'M SAYING, "WHAT DO YOU</b> <b>MEAN?</b>
<b>WHAT DOES THIS REALLY</b> <b>MEAN?"</b>
<b>HE SAYS, "I WANT YOU TO</b> <b>TURN THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE</b>
<b>THAT HAVE BECOME</b> <b>DISENCHANTED WITH ME,</b>
<b>THAT DON'T WANT GOD</b> <b>BECAUSE MANY OF MY</b>
<b>SERVANTS HAVE ABUSED THEM,</b> <b>TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THEM,</b>
<b>HAVE BEEN CONTROL FREAKS,</b> <b>HAVE BEEN ARROGANT."</b>
<b>HE SAYS, "I WANT YOU TO GO</b> <b>OUT THERE AND I WANT YOU</b>
<b>TO PREACH."</b>
<b>HE GAVE ME SOME WEIRD</b> <b>WORDS.</b>
<b>YOU'RE ASKING ME TO TELL</b> <b>YOU,</b>
<b>WORDS LIKE</b> <b>"RIGHTEOUSNESS",</b>
<b>WORDS LIKE, "TELL ME</b> <b>PEOPLE STOP SINNING."</b>
<b>I MEAN, HE REALLY - SID:</b> <b>WAIT A SECOND.</b>
<b>YOU HAD A GOOD CHURCH.</b>
<b>WHAT DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT</b> <b>YOUR CHURCH?</b>
<b>BILL: WHAT HE TOLD ME</b> <b>ABOUT MY CHURCH WAS HE</b>
<b>SAID, I TOLD HIM, I SAID,</b> <b>"GOD,</b>
<b>I CAN'T BE THAT BAD."</b>
<b>WE'VE LED 15, 1600 HUNDRED</b> <b>PEOPLE TO THE LORD IN THE</b>
<b>LAST FEW YEARS.</b>
<b>HE SAID, "HALF YOUR PEOPLE</b> <b>DON'T EVEN KNOW ME,</b>
<b>DON'T EVEN HAVE A</b> <b>RELATIONSHIP."</b>
<b>I SAID, "BUT THEY'RE</b> <b>DISCIPLES."</b>
<b>HE SAID, "NO, THEY'RE YOUR</b> <b>DISCIPLES."</b>
<b>IMAGINE THAT, "THEY'RE</b> <b>YOUR DISCIPLES,</b>
<b>NOT MY DISCIPLES."</b>
<b>SID: SOUNDS LIKE HE'S NOT</b> <b>TOO HAPPY WITH YOU.</b>
<b>BILL: YOU KNOW WHAT?</b>
<b>AT THAT MOMENT IT WAS LIKE</b> <b>THE TIME,</b>
<b>HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A</b> <b>GUY NAMED CAIN AND ABEL IN</b>
<b>THE BIBLE?</b>
<b>YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, THIS</b> <b>GUY CAIN.</b>
<b>AND HERE'S A GUY CAIN, HE</b> <b>HEARS THE VOICE OF GOD AND</b>
<b>WE DON'T REALIZE IT, HE</b> <b>WAS A BAD GUY.</b>
<b>HE WAS IN A LOT OF</b> <b>TROUBLE.</b>
<b>BUT WE DON'T REALIZE, IT</b> <b>IS THE LOVE OF GOD THAT</b>
<b>CAUSES HIM TO TALK TO US</b> <b>AND GET US ON THE RIGHT</b>
<b>PATH AND SAY, YOU'RE GOING</b> <b>IN A DIRECTION OF</b>
<b>DESTRUCTION.</b>
<b>YOU KNOW WHAT GOD ALWAYS</b> <b>SAID TO ME IN ESSENCE?</b>
<b>SID: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF</b> <b>YOU DIED AT THAT MOMENT?</b>
<b>BILL: YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND</b> <b>OF SCARY.</b>
<b>I CANNOT PROMISE YOU..</b>
<b>I HOPE I WOULD HAVE GONE</b> <b>TO HEAVEN.</b>
<b>SID: DO YOU REALIZE WHAT</b> <b>HE JUST SAID?</b>
<b>THIS IS A MAN THAT KNEW</b> <b>GOD.</b>
<b>HALF HIS CHURCH, GOD SAID,</b> <b>DID NOT KNOW GOD.</b>
<b>THAT'S PRETTY SCARY STUFF.</b>
<b>WAIT UNTIL YOU FIND OUT</b> <b>CHANGED OCCURRED IN PASTOR</b>
<b>BILL WOLFSON.</b>
<b>WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.</b>
<b>(THUNDER / SWISH SOUND)</b>
<b>SID: THE ANCIENT RABBIS LOOKED </b> <b>AT THE 53RD CHAPTER</b>
<b>OF THE JEWISH PROPHET ISAIAH</b> <b>AND SAID, "THIS IS TALKING</b>
<b>ABOUT THE MESSIAH, BUT THIS</b> <b>IS VERY STRANGE. HE HAS</b>
<b>DISEASES UPON HIM. HE HAS</b> <b>PAINS UPON HIM.</b>
<b>WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS </b> <b>ONE THE LEPROUS MESSIAH.</b>
<b>AND THE ISAIAH SAYS, "BY HIS </b> <b>WOUNDS, BY HIS BLOOD</b>
<b>WE WERE HEALED." SO ACCORDING </b> <b>TO THE 53RD CHAPTER</b>
<b>OF ISAIAH AND THE ANCIENT </b> <b>RABBIS, THIS IS SPEAKING</b>
<b>ABOUT A MESSIAH WHO WOULD</b> <b>HEAL OUR SINS.</b>
<b>AND IN THE 103RD PSALM</b> <b>DAVID TALKS ABOUT HIM AND</b>
<b>HE SAYS, "BLESS THE LORD, </b> <b>O MY SOUL AND FORGET NOT</b>
<b>ALL HIS BENEFITS." HE'S</b> <b>FORGIVEN ALL OF MY SINS</b>
<b>ND HEALED ALL OF MY DISEASES. </b> <b>I'M SO GLAD THE ANCIENT RABBIS</b>
<b>FOUND THE 53RD CHAPTER OF</b> <b>ISAIAH, THE LEPROUS MESSIAH</b>
<b>WHO TOOK OUR DISEASES, </b> <b>YESHUA, THE ANOINTED ONE.</b>
<b>(THUNDER CLAP / SWISH SOUND)</b>
<b>SID: HELLO.</b>
<b>SID ROTH YOUR</b> <b>INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER</b>
<b>HERE WITH BILL WOLFSON.</b>
<b>CAN YOU PICTURE THIS</b> <b>PASTOR'S PASTOR ON THE</b>
<b>FLOOR.</b>
<b>AN 11-YEAR-OLD LAYS HANDS</b> <b>ON HIM.</b>
<b>HE'S OUT FOR OVER AN HOUR</b> <b>AND A HALF,</b>
<b>AND JESUS COMES TO HIM,</b> <b>AND HE HEARS FOR THE FIRST</b>
<b>TIME IN HIS LIFE, REALLY</b> <b>THE AUDIBLE VOICE OF GOD.</b>
<b>AND GOD SAYS, "YOU'RE A</b> <b>PROFESSIONAL PASTOR.</b>
<b>YOU'RE MAKING DISCIPLES</b> <b>ONTO YOURSELF,</b>
<b>NOT ONTO ME, AND I'M</b> <b>DISSATISFIED WITH WHAT</b>
<b>YOU'RE DOING.</b>
<b>AND BESIDES THAT, HALF OF</b> <b>YOUR CONGREGATION DOESN'T</b>
<b>EVEN KNOW ME, AND BESIDES</b> <b>THAT THIS IS YOUR FINAL</b>
<b>WARNING."</b>
<b>WELL BILL, YOU HEEDED THAT</b> <b>AND YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR</b>
<b>CONGREGATION.</b>
<b>WHAT HAPPENED THE FIRST</b> <b>SERVICE BACK?</b>
<b>BILL: WE HAD FOUR</b> <b>SERVICES.</b>
<b>AND I WENT BACK TO TACOMA,</b> <b>WASHINGTON,</b>
<b>TURNED OFF ALL THE LIGHTS</b> <b>IN THE CHURCH AND I</b>
<b>ACTUALLY DID A SERMON WITH</b> <b>A FLASHLIGHT.</b>
<b>CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?</b>
<b>AND I STARTED TALKING</b> <b>ABOUT,</b>
<b>IS THERE SIN IN YOUR LIFE,</b> <b>IS THERE SIN IN YOUR LIFE?</b>
<b>I MEAN, I WAS A MAN</b> <b>POSSESSED WITH A MISSION.</b>
<b>AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS</b> <b>THING CALLED REVIVAL BROKE</b>
<b>OUT IN THE CHURCH.</b>
<b>WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?</b>
<b>ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE WENT</b> <b>ON A FAST.</b>
<b>I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO</b> <b>BE FOR TWO WEEKS.</b>
<b>IT TURNED OUT TO BE FOR MY</b> <b>WIFE AND I,</b>
<b>70 DAYS.</b>
<b>I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO EAT</b> <b>BY DIRECTIVE OF GOD.</b>
<b>I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO EAT</b> <b>FOR 70 DAYS.</b>
<b>I WENT FROM 148, 149 DOWN</b> <b>TO 109 POUNDS.</b>
<b>BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOME</b> <b>OF THE THINGS THAT</b>
<b>HAPPENED.</b>
<b>SID: THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO</b> <b>KNOW.</b>
<b>BILL: FOUR DAYS INTO THIS</b> <b>THING CALLED THE REVIVAL,</b>
<b>AND WE HAD BEEN IN IT FOR</b> <b>81 WEEKS NOW,</b>
<b>FOUR DAYS INTO IT, A MAN</b> <b>BY THE NAME OF LEON SIMMS,</b>
<b>A JEWISH MAN FROM AN</b> <b>ORTHODOX BACKGROUND,</b>
<b>FROM NEW YORK, IF YOU</b> <b>WILL,</b>
<b>HE HAS A MASSIVE HEART</b> <b>ATTACK AND HE DIES.</b>
<b>SID: IN THE SERVICE?</b>
<b>BILL: RIGHT IN THE</b> <b>SERVICE.</b>
<b>AND WE DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE</b> <b>TO DIE IN OUR CHURCH.</b>
<b>IT'S AGAINST THE RULES.</b>
<b>SID: IT SURE WOULD CURTAIL</b> <b>A MOVE OF GOD'S SPIRIT.</b>
<b>BILL: OH ABSOLUTELY.</b>
<b>AND THERE'S A PARAMEDIC</b> <b>AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THE</b>
<b>MOUTH TO MOUTH, AND</b> <b>THERE'S A DENTIST THERE.</b>
<b>DIDN'T CHECK HIS TEETH.</b>
<b>DID EVERYTHING THAT SHE</b> <b>KNEW TO TRY TO BRING HIM</b>
<b>BACK.</b>
<b>AND FINALLY A LADY THAT</b> <b>WAS THERE SAID,</b>
<b>"LOOK, THIS IS A PRAYER</b> <b>MEETING.</b>
<b>WE BELIEVE IN THE</b> <b>SUPERNATURAL.</b>
<b>LET'S PRAY FOR HIM."</b>
<b>WE PRAY.</b>
<b>HE WAS OUT FOR OVER 11-1/2</b> <b>TO 12 MINUTES,</b>
<b>AND ALL OF A SUDDEN - </b> <b>SID: DOESN'T THAT KIND OF MAKE</b>
<b>YOU BRAIN DEAD? I'VE</b> <b>HEARD OF BEING BRAIN DEAD</b> <b>IN THINGS LIKE THAT.</b>
<b>BILL: OH HE COULDN'T HAVE</b> <b>BEEN DEAD AT THAT POINT</b>
<b>WITHOUT SERIOUS BRAIN</b> <b>DAMAGE,</b>
<b>IF HE COULD COME BACK.</b>
<b>ANYWAY, WE PRAY FOR HIM.</b>
<b>HE STANDS UP.</b>
<b>HE COMES BACK FROM THE</b> <b>DEAD.</b>
<b>ACTUALLY, HE SAT UP IS</b> <b>WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.</b>
<b>AND THEY TOOK HIM TO THE</b> <b>HOSPITAL,</b>
<b>TOOK HIM TO OBSERVATION</b> <b>AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE.</b>
<b>TO MAKE A LONG STORY</b> <b>SHORT - SID: HOW DID YOU</b>
<b>KNOW HE WAS DEAD?</b>
<b>BILL: OH THERE WAS, FIRST</b> <b>OF ALL,</b>
<b>THERE WAS MEDICAL</b> <b>AFFIRMATION RIGHT THERE.</b>
<b>THERE WAS NO QUESTION</b> <b>ABOUT IT.</b>
<b>HE WAS ABSOLUTELY DEAD.</b>
<b>EYES ROLLED BACK IN THE</b> <b>HEAD,</b>
<b>NO PULSE, NO BREATH.</b>
<b>AND WHEN YOU HAVE A</b> <b>PARAMEDIC SAY HE'S DEAD</b>
<b>AND A DENTIST, THEY STILL</b> <b>HAVE MEDICAL TRAINING,</b>
<b>SAY THAT HE'S DEAD.</b>
<b>SID: SO HE SITS UP.</b>
<b>BILL: AND HE HAS NO IDEA</b> <b>WHAT JUST HAPPENED.</b>
<b>BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY</b> <b>SHORT,</b>
<b>HE HAS NO MORE BRAIN</b> <b>DAMAGE TODAY THAN HE HAD</b>
<b>BEFORE THE HEART ATTACK,</b> <b>YOU KNOW.</b>
<b>WE ALWAYS TEASE HIM.</b>
<b>ABSOLUTELY DOCUMENTED BONA</b> <b>FIDE HEALING.</b>
<b>SID: BUT YOU KNOW WHAT,</b> <b>THAT IS AMAZING TO ME.</b>
<b>BUT THE THING THAT IS EVEN</b> <b>MORE AMAZING IS YOUR</b>
<b>DAUGHTER.</b>
<b>HOW OLD WAS SHE?</b>
<b>BILL: JEANINE WOULD HAVE</b> <b>BEEN ABOUT 11 AT THE TIME.</b>
<b>SID: SO YOUR 11-YEAR-OLD</b> <b>DAUGHTER WALKS UP TO A</b>
<b>400-POUND THAT IS IN A</b> <b>WHEELCHAIR.</b>
<b>BILL: THAT'S RIGHT.</b>
<b>SID: THAT IS, I ASSUME</b> <b>SHE'S IN A WHEELCHAIR</b>
<b>BECAUSE SHE CAN'T WALK.</b>
<b>BILL: JACKIE WARD, THAT'S</b> <b>RIGHT.</b>
<b>SID: AND SHE HAS A TUBE,</b> <b>LIKE A BREATHING TUBE</b>
<b>INSIDE.</b>
<b>BILL: YEAH, SHE HAD OXYGEN</b> <b>TUBES,</b>
<b>TWO TUBES GOING UP HER</b> <b>NOSE.</b>
<b>SID: SO WHAT DID YOUR</b> <b>DAUGHTER DO?</b>
<b>BILL: SHE WALKS UP TO HER,</b> <b>AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WE</b>
<b>KNOW.</b>
<b>THIS ISN'T SOME KIND OF</b> <b>CRUSADE SOMEWHERE IN</b>
<b>ANOTHER COUNTRY.</b>
<b>THESE ARE PEOPLE WE LIVE</b> <b>WITH,</b>
<b>WE KNOW, AND SHE SAYS,</b> <b>"JACKIE,</b>
<b>WE DON'T DO THIS, NOT OUR</b> <b>PEOPLE."</b>
<b>SHE SAYS, "JACKIE, GOD</b> <b>TOLD ME YOU'RE HEALED."</b>
<b>SHE SAYS, "I AM?"</b>
<b>AND SHE RIPPED THE TUBES</b> <b>RIGHT OUT OF HER NOSE.</b>
<b>SID: DID YOU WATCH THIS?</b>
<b>BILL: NO, NO I DIDN'T.</b>
<b>ONE OF MY DEACONS CAME UP</b> <b>TO ME AND SAID,</b>
<b>"JEANINE JUST PULLED THE</b> <b>BREATHING TUBES OUT OF</b>
<b>JACKIE'S NOSE."</b>
<b>AND I'M THINKING FROM A</b> <b>LEGAL BACKGROUND,</b>
<b>WE GOT A LAWSUIT HERE.</b>
<b>WHAT IS SHE DOING?</b>
<b>ANYWAY, I TALKED TO HER</b> <b>AND I SAID,</b>
<b>"JEANINE, YOU DON'T DO</b> <b>THIS.</b>
<b>I MEAN, THIS IS</b> <b>RIDICULOUS."</b>
<b>SHE SAYS, "DON'T YOU HAVE</b> <b>FAITH?</b>
<b>DON'T YOU BELIEVE GOD CAN</b> <b>HEAL HER?"</b>
<b>SID: YOUR DAUGHTER IS</b> <b>SAYING THAT TO YOU.</b>
<b>BILL: YEAH.</b>
<b>I SAID, "YEAH."</b>
<b>SHE SAYS, "GOD TOLD ME."</b>
<b>JEANINE HAS NEVER DONE</b> <b>ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.</b>
<b>SHE SAYS, "GOD TOLD ME</b> <b>THAT SHE'S HEALED."</b>
<b>AND I SAID, AND JACKIE</b> <b>GETS OUT OF THE WHEELCHAIR</b>
<b>AND BEGINS TO WALK, AND</b> <b>SHE BEGINS TO RUN AROUND</b>
<b>THE CHURCH.</b>
<b>THEN SHE GOES UP IN THE</b> <b>BALCONY AND SAYS,</b>
<b>"I DIDN'T KNOW YOU DIDN'T</b> <b>CHANGE THE CARPET IN THE</b>
<b>BALCONY YET.</b>
<b>YOU CHANGED IT ON THE MAIN</b> <b>FLOOR.</b>
<b>I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THE</b> <b>BALCONY IN THE SIX YEARS</b>
<b>I'VE BEEN IN THE CHURCH."</b>
<b>SHE GOES TO HER DOCTOR</b> <b>THAT MONDAY.</b>
<b>THEY DO A TEST.</b>
<b>NO LONGER NEEDS OXYGEN</b> <b>TUBES.</b>
<b>SHE HAD A TERMINAL</b> <b>ILLNESS,</b>
<b>A HEART DISEASE,</b> <b>ABSOLUTELY HEALED,</b>
<b>AND OUT OF THE WHEELCHAIR.</b>
<b>AND THEY SENT A NURSE FROM</b> <b>THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE TO THE</b>
<b>REVIVAL THAT TUESDAY</b> <b>NIGHT,</b>
<b>BECAUSE THE REVIVAL</b> <b>STARTED OUT 70 DAYS IN A</b>
<b>ROW, AND SAID, "SHE'S</b> <b>HEALED!</b>
<b>SHE'S HEALED!"</b>
<b>HAD A YOUNG LADY HAD</b> <b>ENDOMETRIOSIS,</b>
<b>16 YEARS OLD, THEY WANTED</b> <b>TO DO A HYSTERECTOMY,</b>
<b>PRAYED FOR HER AT THE</b> <b>REVIVAL.</b>
<b>ACTUALLY SOMEBODY ELSE</b> <b>PRAYED FOR HER AT THE</b>
<b>REVIVAL, JUST REGULAR</b> <b>EVERYDAY PEOPLE.</b>
<b>THIS ISN'T PREACHERS</b> <b>PRAYING.</b>
<b>THIS ISN'T AN EVANGELIST.</b>
<b>THIS IS EVERYDAY PEOPLE</b> <b>JUST PRAYING.</b>
<b>THEY WERE GOING TO DO A</b> <b>HYSTERECTOMY.</b>
<b>TO MAKE A LONG STORY</b> <b>SHORT,</b>
<b>THEY WENT IN, THEY DID</b> <b>EXPLORATORY SURGERY,</b>
<b>ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY</b> <b>HEALED.</b>
<b>SID: WHAT'S GOING ON WITH</b> <b>THE CHILDREN IN YOUR</b>
<b>CONGREGATION?</b>
<b>BILL: THERE IS A FIRE FOR</b> <b>GOD.</b>
<b>THERE IS THIS THING, IT'S</b> <b>WEIRD.</b>
<b>I MEAN, I CAN'T GIVE IT TO</b> <b>YOU IN RELIGIOUS TERMS.</b>
<b>THEY'RE JUST JAZZED.</b>
<b>THEY'RE FERVENT.</b>
<b>I MEAN, THEY WANT TO BE</b> <b>THERE.</b>
<b>REMEMBER WHEN WE COME</b> <b>TOGETHER AND WE PRAY FOR</b>
<b>THE SICK AND WE SEE</b> <b>MIRACLES HAPPEN,</b>
<b>WE SPEND FIVE, SIX, SEVEN</b> <b>HOURS AT A TIME JUST</b>
<b>WAITING ON GOD.</b>
<b>THIS ISN'T A TYPICAL</b> <b>CHURCH THING.</b>
<b>THIS IS SOMETHING</b> <b>DIFFERENT.</b>
<b>SID: THIS SOUNDS SO</b> <b>DIFFERENT.</b>
<b>IT SOUNDS DIFFERENT.</b>
<b>DOESN'T THAT SOUND</b> <b>DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S</b>
<b>GOING ON IN YOUR CHURCH?</b>
<b>MAYBE WHAT'S GOING ON</b> <b>THERE IS A RESTORATION OF</b>
<b>THE ORIGINAL BOOK OF ACTS.</b>
<b>MAYBE THAT'S WHAT GOD</b> <b>WANTS RIGHT IN YOUR HOME,</b>
<b>RIGHT IN YOUR APARTMENT,</b> <b>RIGHT WHEREVER YOU'RE</b>
<b>WATCHING RIGHT NOW.</b>
<b>THE FIRST STEP IS,</b> <b>REMEMBER,</b>
<b>HALF THE PEOPLE IN THIS</b> <b>CONGREGATION GOD SAID,</b>
<b>"THEY DON'T ME"</b>
<b>DO YOU KNOW GOD?</b>
<b>I DON'T MEAN DO YOU GO TO</b> <b>A PARTICULAR CHURCH.</b>
<b>I'M SAYING, DO YOU KNOW</b> <b>GOD.</b>
<b>YOU MUST REPENT YOUR SINS</b> <b>AGAINST A HOLY GOD AND YOU</b> <b>[MUSIC♪]</b>
<b>MUST BELIEVE THAT JESUS</b> <b>DIED FOR YOUR SINS AND YOU</b>
<b>WILL BE CLEAN ACCORDING TO</b> <b>THE WORD OF GOD.</b>
<b>AND THEN ASK JESUS TO LIVE</b> <b>INSIDE OF YOU.</b>
<b>HE WANTS TO BECOME AS REAL</b> <b>TO YOU AS HE IS TO</b>
<b>BILL WOLFSON, BECAUSE</b> <b>GOD SAYS, "I'M NOT A RESPECTOR</b>
<b>OF PERSONS", AND YOU HAVE A</b> <b>DESTINY.</b>
<b>BUT YOU HAVE TO WALK INTO</b> <b>IT YET!</b>
<b>TODAY WALK INTO IT.</b>
<b>THIS IS YOUR MOMENT IN</b> <b>HISTORY.</b>
<b>EVERYONE HAS A MOMENT.</b>
<b>AND SOMEONE'S EYES ARE</b> <b>BEING HEALED RIGHT NOW IN</b>
<b>JESUS' NAME.</b>
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