Sanjiv Goenka: Being a
very deep cricket enthusiast
and now somewhat involved with the sport,
I see with admiration,
the rise and rise and rise of Virat Kohli (Referring to an Indian international cricketer
and current captain of Indian team).
I see his energy on the field,
I see his energy off the field,
I see the way he's transforming and rewriting the rules of the game.
The T20 format
140 to 160 was par score,
he's redefined it.
Now 190 is a par.
Sadhguru: 250
Sanjiv Goenka: 250, 240.
There is something within him that propels him more than others.
There are many people who are talented.
There are many people who have this ability,
but there are few who realize this ability.
What is it that takes one to realize
that he can do a little more,
he can inspire more,
he can create more,
he can create new standards?
Is there something from within
or is it something from outside?
What is it?
Sadhguru: I have also been watching Virat Kohli with interest
because
I have seen every great batsman in the last forty, forty-five years.
Very few have hit the ball the way he's hitting it.
Probably the only other person that I can think of is Vivian Richards (Referring to
a former West Indian cricketer),
who used to hit the ball like this,
but he did not have the sane
same sense of mission that this boy has (Laughs).
He just played for fun and you know, an island, Caribbean culture (Sanjiv laughs)
and he kind of didn't take it so seriously,
or did not go at it with a certain zeal
with which this boy is going.
But I think he was the only one who was striking the ball
the way this boy is striking today, which is very rare.
Most people, who have watched only cricket on the television,
don't understand this probably.
It's one of the most dangerous games on the planet.
A hard ball is coming at you over hundred-and-thirty, hundred-and-forty kilometers per hour
and this is the only sport where the ball is pitched
and it swings this way, that way,
which gives you a fraction of a second to make your decision
how to handle that ball.
It's… It's a very dangerous game.
You must… You know, there're bowling machines.
They may be there in Kolkata.
Yes?
The bowling machines are there.
Young men, I'm telling you,
don't try hundred-and-forty kilometers.
At eighty or ninety kilometers,
just… make
Set the bowling machine at ninety kilometers
and stand there and see how the ball comes at you.
It's crazy, okay?
So, every ball is different, the way it's coming at you.
So it needs to be handled.
Everybody who is there we must understand is very good (Laughs).
They may look clumsy, they may get out for zero
but they're very good with what they're doing.
But somebody stands out like this.
This reminds me of
There was a motorcycle rider who is known as
whose name was Kenny Roberts (Referring to Kenneth Leroy Roberts, an American former
professional motorcycle racer)
who won the world championships five times in a row.
People couldn't believe it because
you have to win sixteen races across the country to get to the championship.
All the machines are prepared by the top companies
and the talent is at the highest level,
but winning five in a row was considered unprecedented and impossible.
So they asked him,
"How do you do this?"
So he said,
"I go out of control with control" (Laughs).
I understand that very well (Laughs).
I live every step of my life like that –
always out of control, but with control (Laughs).
This is what everybody is seeking.
They want little madness in their life,
but they don't want to go insane.
But their longing for safety and security
makes them insulate themselves from that little madness.
Then they wonder
"What's happened to my life?"
It's becoming boring and no good.
They try to step out,
then they get hit by something.
They again build walls around them.
This process is going on.
So when you take an example like this –
one thing is the zeal,
another thing is loving what you're doing.
Really loving what you're doing.
That's what you want to do.
This once happened.
I was just walking into the Chennai airport
and the Indian hockey team was leaving for Germany for Champions Trophy that year.
A few years ago the Indian hockey team came and spent
a week or ten days in the Yoga Center
and we had helped the previous team
but this was a new team.
So when I walked in, KPS Gill (Referring to Kanwar Pal Singh Gill, former president of
the Indian Hockey Federation (IHF)) was there
and he saw me and said,
"Sadhguru, you must come and speak to the boys.
We have a psychologist who is speaking to them right now" –
in the airport just before they leave for Germany.
Many of these boys have never (Laughs) gone out of the country.
For the first time, they're going.
At that time, half the team was from the tribal belt
because they all came off the Tata Academy.
So they
I went there to see what they're talking.
So this psychologist is trying to pep them up.
He is telling them
I can't repeat this in Hindi,
but he's telling them,
"Your parents have brought you up,
you have to bring pride to them.
One billion people,
full Bharat is watching you,
you cannot disappoint them."
These boys (Gestures) (Laughter)
These are all eighteen, nineteen-year-old boys from the tribal belt.
One billion people, their expectations
and their parents' honor,
they're just dazed like this (Gestures) (Laughs).
So they asked me to speak.
I said, "See…"
I asked them, "Do you guys know how to play hockey?"
I asked them to bring the sticks and the
I played hockey right through my school and college.
So I said,
"You guys,
do you know how to play hockey?"
They said, "Yes."
I said, "No.
You guys don't know how to play hockey."
They said, "No."
Suddenly they became,
"No, no, we know how to play hockey."
"Then if you know how to play hockey,
this is all you do.
Those seventy minutes,
the ball must be continuously in the goal.
That's your goal.
You want the ball to be constantly in the opposite goal.
Don't try to beat Germany and Pakistan and somebody and somebody.
Just put the ball in the goal.
You like to do it, isn't it?"
"Yes, we like to do it."
Said, "Just do that,
forget about Bharat and your parents and everybody (Laughter/Applause)
for some time."
And last
One of these conversations I had in Hyderabad,
one of the film actors,
his final question is,
"Sadhguru, all this is okay.
But in cricket,
how to beat Pakistan" (Laughter)?
I said,
"You should not try to beat Pakistan.
You should just learn to hit the ball."
There is no Pakistan in the ball, all right?
You just have to hit the ball.
You don't have to beat Pakistan.
If you try to beat Pakistan with your stupid emotions,
you will do something stupid,
which has been happening continuously.
Now,
I think recently Virat Kohli came on the television and said,
"My only problem is I get angry.
I want to be like a monk," something he said,
whatever his own version of being
wanting to calm.
I think he needs balance.
With the kind of talent he has,
if he learns to become balanced,
he is going to be a phenomena.
He's going to be a
a new cricketing story on the planet,
not just one more player.
He has the necessary ingredients.
I said this when he was seventeen.
I saw him playing in Singapore
for the under eighteen team or something,
he was captaining that team at that time.
I saw this boy playing and then only I said,
"This guy will go far."
And then he vanished out of my radar for almost five, six years
and then he surfaced suddenly one day in the test (Laughs)
in the Indian team
and now he's going the way he's going.
He needs to balance himself.
If he learns to be a cool fire,
not a fire that burns him up,
then he will do things which probably has not been done for a long time.
I think we can give him those tools of self-transformation
which will not take away the fire.
See, there are two ways to fire yourself.
If I get angry I can propel myself
this is one way.
But all of you know
whenever you're angry it propels you,
at the same time,
it takes away your sense in many ways.
It takes away your capabilities.
We can show you scientifically
Medically, we can show you
how your system is getting poisoned when you are angry.
Instead of being that way,
with sheer pleasantness you can drive yourself.
You do not know how to
See, there is… there...
We have been driving internal combustion engines for a long time
which have been smoking and polluting and killing us
in many ways but they've been propelling us.
Now, we are coming to engines,
which has no internal combustion
which smoothly drives
without a noise,
without smoke,
without nothing
We're just coming to that.
We're just coming of age with automobiles.
Similarly, it's time humanity comes of age that
you learn to propel yourself
in a very pleasant manner.
I am also on twenty hours a day,
I'm just fooling around" (Laughs).
Why do you need anger and this and that,
if out of sense, you can drive yourself?
It is not necessary you have to drive yourself with anger or hatred.
Yes,
those things give you energy in a certain way,
but they take away your competence in many levels.
This boy needs tools for self-transformation.
I think we should deliver that to him (Laughter).
I would like to do that to him
because he is a phenomena in waiting.
Sanjiv Goenka: Yes. Yes.
If already not made
I mean he can be a much bigger phenomena
but he's already a phenomena not in the making
Sadhguru: See, a one-season phenomena will be forgotten.
Sanjiv Goenka: Forgotten.
Sadhguru: He needs to become a
Yes (Laughs).
Sanjiv Goenka: In cricket you deal with lots of celebrities,
lots of kids who over a period of time become celebrities
and develop huge egos.
And when you see the game from within,
you see how large the egos are
and to the outside,
the ego doesn't overtake the interests of the team
but sometimes it does.
How does one, as an owner,
draw a line between balancing the ego
and the interest of the team?
So, if you
if you were to pull up a celebrity,
he's not used to it,
he sulks (Sadhguru Laughs),
then your team loses out.
If you don't,
because of his ego,
sometimes wrong decisions are taken.
So, how does one balance this?
Sadhguru: This is not just in cricket,
this is everywhere (Laughs).
Sanjiv Goenka: Absolutely.
Sadhguru: You give somebody to do something.
If they do it for three days,
they have reached stratosphere (Laughs), you know?
If they do something, get little recognition,
if five people clap their hands,
they will rise.
So till they fall, they don't realize
this is not the way to play cricket (Both laugh).
Up in the air you can't play cricket,
you got to be on the ground.
So, how to deal with it?
There are many ways
but the best way is not that we don't deal with it.
When we… When I say we don't deal with it,
they need tools for self-transformation.
What has happened with them is just this –
they are still driving themselves
because of the euphoria of the crowds,
what is written in the newspaper,
what other people are saying about you.
Or in other words,
you have not found anything about yourself –
you are a product of other people's opinion.
Everybody is saying you're great
and you start believing you're great.
No.
You don't have to believe anything.
If you're good at something,
you just have to keep on seeing how to enhance that.
It is
This is the problem with people –
they think
they become ambitious.
Ambition means you're tweaking your desire.
Instead of tweaking your competence,
you're tweaking your desire,
which is just the wrong way to do life.
You don't need to be ambitious,
you don't need to think "I have to score hundred runs,"
you don't need to think "I have to become a champion."
You just have to hit the ball that's coming at you right now.
That's all you need to do.
For this,
you of course need training - that's a different aspect.
Without that you wouldn't have come here.
You just need the necessary alertness and presence of mind
to do what you have to do at that moment.
Instead of that, they've become stars.
Your reputation will not play.
It's only which
your competence which plays (Laughs).
Your reputation cannot play.
So, by the time they realize this,
many of them are flushed down
because there is a younger crop coming up doing things.
I think these boys,
you know, because without other exposure,
without… generally with education they're just coming straight into the game
and they fully give themselves to the game.
Before they know what's happening,
they're quite lost - many of them,
not all of them.
Many have matured with the game,
others have gotten lost with the game.
If they are given little education about how to handle themselves,
I think they'll come out on the tops.
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