I didn't understand why I felt so strange in my own skin and with time
I've been learning about myself and now I realized that I am NOT alone that
there's a lot more people who feel this way and I want to share their stories
and some of my stories about struggling with social anxiety learning about
myself welcome to the introverts galaxy I am so
excited to have Josh here in the show today I met Josh recently I first heard
about a job about him on an episode in the flipping junkie he was a guest on
that show and I related to a lot of things that he said and I invited him on
the show first I listened to the show a couple of times and thought about
inviting him and I was afraid that he was gonna say no so I waited I waited a
couple weeks but he was really nice he said yes and I have him here today hey
Josh you say hello hi thank you Richard for having me on Josh
can you take like one minute and introduce yourself just tell people who
you are and where you are yeah I'm Josh I'm in Westlake Village California right
now I invest in flip houses in Adelanto Victorville Apple Valley in his Faria
area you know I was very nervous at first when I started out there but you
know now have a business it's running and I feel a lot more comfortable and
I'm definitely an introvert so I think that's what we're gonna be talking about
a lot today yeah I mean that's what Josh when he was on that episode flipping
junkie he said that he was introverted aim right away whenever someone says
something like that boom a light box in my head like oh I got to learn more
about this so he talked about it a little bit in that show and I want to go
a little deeper into that here on this episode and just get to know a little
bit more about what he meant when he said he was introverted and just talk to
us a little bit about that story maybe he'll tell us a couple stories of
things that he's you know he's experienced in the past Josh so you are
a real estate he's a real estate investor can you tell us what exactly do
you do we say real estate investor mm-hmm so I find houses usually run down
or they need some updating make an offer you usually get a good price higher out
I have to deal with different contractors and all the problems that
come with it and then when it's done I sell them and
make some profit on it so that's basically the business model so you're
talking to contractors and homeowners right homeowners real estate agents
you know plumbers everything hmm and this is one of the reasons why I was
also I'm really curious to know how you are doing that because a lot of a lot of
the things that some of us deal with issues we deal with is that we are
uncomfortable talking to to people and dealing with contractors to me that's
that's not easy I've been involving one renovation
recently ain't yeah it's a little bit uncomfortable to talk to contractors it
was for me I I'm not used to that do you have anything like that was that an
issue for you well I you know since I am introverted never really wanted to do it
so I would you know have a relationship with a property manager a project
manager I had them kind of handle all that as much as I could because I am
kind of uncomfortable with that but you know once you get to know the people and
they're around your jobs you kind of develop a little bit more of a
friendship with them treat them well and it's it's not tough talking to them at
this point um I actually my project manager just
passed away a few weeks ago so you know it's my first time really dealing with
it on my own and it hasn't been too bad because when you're confident what
you're saying and you kind of know the prices that you're you're expecting you
start to kind of get used to it but yeah first it was very difficult to talk to
anybody hmm I'm sorry to you
about your your friend he you mentioned him on that episode that UNM had gotten
started working together he was helping you take your business to a different
level he how how did you meet him work Oh interesting story actually he was out
in Santa Cruz California and I was looking for a tenant so I made a
Craigslist ad in Adelanto California 700 square foot mobile home where he came
from Santa Cruz which is like you know a place that cost a lot of money to live
it's a sought-after place and auto answers kind of where you live when you
when you don't have a lot of money and your only option and he went through all
the savings and they traveled and had a good time in Mexico him and his wife and
you know he he came to a point where he's like I don't have enough money to
live out in Santa Cruz we need to go back out to the desert and he grew up in
Rancho Cucamonga California maybe an hour away from Adelanto Sauer Craigslist
ad for $700 a month or 750 and you know he drove all the way out there with his
everything packed in his car kind of already knew he wanted to live
there from the pictures and he got there had some problems with the house started
managing it ended up seeing what I was doing what my partner Jonathan was doing
at the time and you know he's like you know I think you should start flipping
houses and that's how I got started in flipping houses rather than just buying
and leasing is basically because of him pushing me right away I had a deal that
I knew I can do and I gave him the chance he only wanted $500 to prove
himself for the first one when he did it and I made money and you know we started
he did another one for 500 and then he he wanted to make it like a legit
business and started paying him 15% of profits and that's how how we got
started and I've done probably 25 to 30 flips now Wow with with him with him
right before he passed I started to do a few without him I was just starting to
buy I haven't actually done with him without him
yet so yeah this is my first time really doing it on my own but I have the same
contractors that he put in place but now I'm doing so many projects I need more
contractors so I've started to meet with some new ones and you were you developed
a relationship with him you too were able to work on these projects together
so that I mean that's a good thing that's because something that I I meet a
lot of contractors and there's so many people that you end up meeting and
you're not sure who you can work with but eventually you do find someone that
you you get along you're able to never do the work and work together
exactly and you developed a relationship with him you said that you paid him 500
bucks on the first deal you mean for the work that he did on it or what beau
Seymour yeah he managed the whole project so actually the I bought it with
the material in the house so that was interesting and all he had to do is
really hire a contractor to fix it um and give him a price and everything and
you know he did a good job he didn't spend that much money on the first one
he found a good contractor and he proved himself and you know he he got me to
want to hire him as a I didn't call him an employer ever it was a project
manager um independent contractor but I hired him
on everything and we had loyalty together if he found something he
brought it to me if I found something I hired him on so he actually found a few
properties for me which brought a lot of value to what he was doing mmm that's
really good Wow and you were able to find someone like that and I only had to
pay 500 bucks that's pretty good deal yeah Wow well I'm sorry you know that he
uh what happened to him he's being very recent um yeah it's
definitely been a difficult transition and you know it was bad a few my
contractors saw him in the house after he passed and found him there so
you know I'm dealing with with that as well my contractor's having a hard time
Wow yeah this all comes with the territory of flipping houses and having
a business you got to be the leader in those and actually I did something very
out of my comfort zone we I made like a meeting like a little memorial thing
with all the guys and we all talked about our favorite memories of him and
what we liked about him and how good of a guy he was in the house and definitely
I've never done that before and it was really nice and I was definitely you
know uncomfortable but it was great I had pizza in the house for everybody and
you know everyone bonded a little bit more a lot of our team okay and you
spoke you spoke about yeah you know actually my um my my friend slash
partner is starting to do some deals with me Jonathan he actually said the
first words like this was my memory does anybody have anything to say and then we
started you know I'm talking about that did you plan that you were gonna speak
or he was just so on the moment I didn't know if I was gonna speak because you
know I was nervous I just kind of make it natural it ended up being that I said
something as well and we all kind of spoken it was cool because like I think
most of us are introverts especially contrast a lot of contractors they're
not used to like talking they just work work work they don't you know talk about
their feelings as much and you know it was really good for them some of them
like couldn't really talk and had to like they were choking up and had to
leave the room some think it was a good experience for everyone so that's that's
interesting that you say that it's some of the contractors are also nodding to
talk in a lot yeah funny you know they like they don't really hire people
they're kind of just the people that you hire and they're they're just working
for pay and they don't they don't do anything else but work they're not
businessmen so and that's one of the hardest things to do find good
contractors and talking to contractors and getting to know them that's the
project that I was involved in there was someone that was handling
managing the project so I didn't have to actually we agree that she was going to
handle all the dealing with the contractors but I was you know I used to
go to the site and visit and and I can see that as you get to know them and the
workers that he gets off a little bit easier but sometimes you just run into
stuff yeah I ran into a thing with one of the people working on the project
that I stood behind them I wanted to see what he was doing just to see if I could
learn something and he didn't turn around he just said don't stand behind
me oh my god a lot of different personalities you got to deal with I was
already uncomfortable you know because I didn't know it was a little weird
because people normally you enter a room and they talk they say something but he
didn't say anything so he would say hi no no I just stood there
it may maybe it was me I didn't approach it the right way but I just stood there
and looked and he said don't stand behind me uncomfortable
I said oh how it feels you know I'm glad I'm glad cause he grew yeah but if you
nail his finger cuz he he won't say his some Kunkel maybe but yeah but you know
what when my boss he should stand behind me when I was working as a computer
programmer I wanted to turn around and slapping
stop micromanaging yeah I mean nobody likes to be micromanaged yeah yeah so
maybe that was my fault yeah I like to let my contractors have a lot of freedom
and just check up on them um like every week see what they're doing cuz I know
after using them for a while that they're gonna do a good job and you can
kind of tell when you hire somebody if they're legit or not if they have
pictures they can send you if they have a cell phone they use that is a legit
cell phone that's a problem when you can't even get a hold of some of these
people I was actually calling this contractor showed it to him and he he
told me it's gonna be like about twenty to twenty-five thousand to fix up kept
in contact have been asking for this quote for like
two three weeks now he still hasn't gotten it even a couple days ago he's
like I'll get it to you today I promise I've been very busy still hasn't gotten
it dragging me along and I'm like I don't think I can trust this guy anymore
if he came and get me in bid I don't know he's gonna be on the job at all
times and actually getting this done and doing everything he says he's gonna do
so he lost the job to me so some of that stuff you know I used to I used to
stress me out and I'm not saying it doesn't stress me out I'm not working on
any project right now but is that the way I look at it now and I'm borrowing
this from somebody else is that my friend Jeff says something Jeanne is the
other day he said look people letting me know right away I don't want to do
business with you because of the way you you know the acting and behaving at the
beginning is saving me a lot of trouble for later exactly they doing all this
stuff showing you at the beginning is better than they show you halfway into a
project that you know what this little thing I can deal with this or you
already have four into the projects easier
he's shown at the beginning now in the flipping junkie you mentioned that you
so one of the things that you do you talk to a lot of homeowners you say you
do door knocking uh-huh can you talk to us a little bit about that what exactly
door knocking just many people listen to this podcast I don't know what it is are
you you mean well I don't per se door knock but when I got started my mentor
my friend slash partner Jonathan and I would go out to the high desert wake up
about 4:00 a.m. to maximize the day we would just kind of see somebody outside
and talk to them and say hey do you own your house or do you rent do you have
any interest in selling do you know anybody who's gonna sell if they're
renters you know given my cards day if you asked for their information because
then we have a database of renters that when we're ready to rent our house we
have somebody that's ready to go hmm and if they were wanting to sell you know we
have a lead now you can buy the house or you know we can if we can keep their
number and call on you know every few months ask them if they know anybody and
you get better deals if it's off the market because there's no
real estate agents involved with Commission and everything I mean we
would mostly just talk to random people in the grocery stores and the houses and
you know ask questions about the town because you know it's a new town we
didn't know it too well which restaurants are good which this and that
and we would learn a lot just by asking them questions and you know when you
know more people in the area there's a better chance somebody will find a deal
for you and you was able to yeah go ahead
I was very shy back then still still am shy but back then there was no way I was
gonna actually be the one to go up to somebody my friend Jonathan has no
problem with that so um my mentor Jed would go up to people and do that and I
would I would just listen I would never be the one to actually do that at the
beginning even now when I'm with Jonathan he he's the one who does it I'm
a little uncomfortable with it but once in a while I'll do it mm-hmm so
you once in a while you do it you go on your own or you with Jonathan
and you talk to when I'm with Jonathan if I'm on my own I I don't really do it
unless I already have a lead and I know that if I'm asking the question it's
gonna lead to something I don't like to waste people's time unless I know it's
actually gonna get me somewhere I'm very curious about people who people like you
you are a successful real estate investor and there's many of us that
want to get into some type of business and we were wondering because it's very
rare that we get a chance to meet someone like you and getting their heads
and find out what the story is how they got where they are and you say you're
introverted you introverted you're shy and what I'm saying is you know as I get
to know you better you may relationships with people who
are able to handle some of the things that you don't want to or you're not
comfortable handling mm-hmm yeah that's really cool that's mainly the reason
that I've been able to get out of being as introverted as being around people
who aren't seeing what they do and kind of copying it
and adding a little twist of my own to it so I'm not you know there's so many
ways to go about dealing with things and some of us are growing and working to
become more comfortable in things that are where we are not very comfortable
doing I going to events stuff into strangers do we know this sort of sort
of stuff there's also other ways where you can you don't have to be the best at
every single thing you can also delegate some of this stuff exactly there's
people who enjoy it very much some of the stuff that you are uncomfortable
with some people enjoy it very much energize them up yeah you got to know
your strengths and go towards those and I know my strength is finding good
properties negotiating deals my strengths not going up to random people
and talking to people that way I like to build relationships first and feel more
comfortable before I can get into those kind of conversations I'm not saying
that you know we need to be Hermits because I mean you you are developing
relationships and you it's good to to work on becoming more comfortable and
doing some of these things this but I ear on pace don't put yourself in such
an uncomfortable situation where you're traumatized by the situation that you
were just in work yourself in slowly and then eventually you'll get it
comfortable enough where you can work with more high-profile people it just
build your confidence I would say once you're confident enough you can talk to
anybody because you know what you're saying is is legit and if you're not
confident you're gonna start blabbing and not really saying the right things
so whenever I hear people then say something like that be more confident I
wonder okay so how did you become more comfortable with exactly does that mean
do you have any stories or anything that that you've done that gave you more
confidence yeah I mean I've become more confidence through failure through doing
it I mean when I got started in the high desert I had a lot of issues
I mean five evictions my first five tenants because I was I was a shy young
I think it was 1920 when I started and they didn't take me seriously and they
didn't think they needed pay me rent and you know I that's when I actually hired
my first property manager because they're a little more intimidating
people aren't gonna mess around with with those kind of people but as I've
aged and done it myself and watched the better way to do it you know you start
to do it you start to be more confident when you actually know the right way to
do it like you gotta check people's credit you need to be more firm you
can't give people time you got it right away like say okay if you don't pay you
send that three day notice you don't listen to them and try and be a nice
person cuz it's not gonna really get you anywhere with tenants that are trying to
take it advantage of you mm-hmm experience is what gets you confident I
really admire what you have done so far I say that it's very impressive you're
under 30 you're like 20 26 26 Wow I can believe it
I just calculated that on the fly when you start early
I mean it's seven years of experience it's like if someone started at 25 and
at 7 years they're 32 it's like it's the same thing I don't think age matters
it's experience that matters so seven years you started at 19 that's when I
bought my first property I started like learning maybe a little earlier than
that except how did you get into this real estate I got into it my dad had a
friend who his son was going to this mentor and kind of told me about it
started going we were playing a board game every Tuesday at Red Robin and it
ended up being at IHOP and it was amazing for me I never really realized
balance sheets assets and liabilities income and expenses and all of that and
you know this game taught you rent and expenses and how much money you're
making on these properties and I really never even knew you can buy a property
get rent and make money it started teaching me mailbox money where the
money is just coming in when you're not working and it opened my eyes before
I was working at a little deli didn't really know what I was gonna do kind of
thought I would maybe be a waiter or something for the rest of my life and
then started or working for my dad and it really opened my eyes to another
thing and you know eventually it was like I want to do this in real life not
just in this game and my mentor took me out to this this area called the high
desert in California and I haven't looked back since
wow I'm gonna put that game in the show notes so people are interested in
checking it out weekend and it's called millionaire
maker by Laura Lang Meyer I believe millionaire me I'll put that in the show
notes a link and you so you started at 19 and now you're 26 so seven years
doing this and so the people listening to you I mean you're looking at Josh
seven years later some people you know we wonder okay so how come I'm still
struggling well yeah don't look at it like that because you know where you are
it's yeah yeah I was there Pat Jack was there and seven years earlier
mm-hm and you know my friend Jonathan he's been struggling for years he
started at the same time as me but he kind of went down a different path he
started working for commercial real estate firms and all that
he just started with me a month ago we bought five properties in the last month
he's gonna frickin have so much savings probably make 100 to 150 thousand his
first year in really flipping houses really he's only bought one rental with
me and we made some money on that just the market went up but you know he he
decided to quit his commercial real estate job you don't have as much
control you're relying on different owners deciding to give you a listing or
deciding to buy that property and with what I'm doing you have all the control
in the world to buy these properties and you know he doesn't have a lot of money
but we're getting private loans and a lot of people say oh I can't do it I
don't money well my friend Jonathan doesn't have money and he's doing it so
just two so one hundred fifty thousand dollars profit that's a lot of money
some people will look at that and think oh my god
kind of deal is that but hold on a second Jonathan he's partnering up with
Josh has got a already you know seven years of experience in residents being
in the business for many years it just it didn't just happen on his first deal
Jonathan you just said was struggling with some stuff right yeah I mean he was
cold calling for a year at a company didn't get a deal and you know he worked
his ass off and sometimes working hard isn't what makes you money it's working
smart hmm there you go so that's a that's very important and somebody said
to me trace his name is Trevor and I recorded up an episode with him and he
said who you should be comparing yourself to is who you were yesterday
Matt who you looking at on social media or this friend or that person you just
may know but who you were yesterday become better than you yesterday yes we
should be your competition so I really like that so be nice to say here oh it's
got to be girly so the place where you are investing is I remember you said two
hours from where you live yeah it's about two hours and that's where you do
all of your investing right now mm-hmm how often do you go out there um once -
twice a week right now when the project manager was I'm still alive like once
every two weeks ish is they not had somebody out there but now I gotta make
sure everything's okay out there that's pretty far - while we drive and
then it's for our round trip right yeah but I enjoy it I mean I'm used to the
drive now it's not a big deal and I'm doing something I love to do so I really
don't like the drive that's really cool so if you're ok with the driving you
know you're able to do that and if you have to go two hours maybe that's what
you got to do you've made it work and you enjoying it yeah I mean driving I
used to not like driving but now it lets me allows me to listen to podcasts and
audiobooks that I can listen I took on a ten minute drive so that's cool
yeah as long as you got something you're doing while you're in the car I'll
distract you and it's easy Jackie let's go back a little bit tell me about
growing up when do you first think oh I'm introverted when did that come up it
wasn't like I have always known I'm shy I never wanted to like say hi to people
always like kind of hid behind my parents my parents would order for me
when we're at the dinner table when I was younger I didn't I was when I was
actually the only kid who didn't want to sing during the plays I would just stand
there
social anxiety around people my whole life that uh that's something that a lot
of people can relate with it's just it's really good to hear somebody's story who
was dealt with this and so many of us think that we are not gonna be able to
accomplish some things because we think this anxiety or this way or the way we
are is going to prevent this but that's not it's not true and that's that's what
I like yuria I'm starting to notice I'm growing out of it and I mean I think if
I can anybody can it just takes confidence and doing some things you're
proud of and then you can have a conversation and feel feel good about
what you're saying if you're doing things like selling drugs you're not
gonna you know feel good talking to people and that's something that oh I
used to worry oh but what if they don't like me well not everybody has to like
you yeah it's not gonna work like that some people are not gonna like you no
matter what what are you gonna uh we're gonna end up meeting some people that we
have a good connection with unless the people that you you want to build that
relationship but it's different and you Angele with some people and you don't
with others so you're right mm-hmm okay talk to base
I was always too shy to go up to a girl but like it naturally happened in high
school we were in a class together and um I was actually - should I even ask
her for her number or my she said her number out loud and my friend memorized
the number and then I I think I had my friend text her because I was even too
nervous to text her Wow that's it yeah so you friend thanks to her from your
phone from my phone and then we had our first date and there was four friends
with us and one of my friends had to text me to put my arm around her in the
movie cuz I was too nervous you put your arm around her cuz his
girlfriend was there and kind of told him and I put my arm around her and she
was leaning on me and you know I was in my head thinking maybe she doesn't like
me this is just a friendship thing but no she likes me huh so before you put
your arm around her you were thinking maybe she doesn't like me
yeah and my friend had a text me to give me confirmation to put my arm around her
Wow and you know we both hadn't kissed somebody before hadn't done anything
with anybody so it was like until you've done it you're nervous how old were you
when you started then I was 17 on that date she was 15 did you know her firm
four years before you started dating no we just had that first class together so
it was maybe midway through the air and you spend a lot of time thinking how am
I gonna talk to this girl yeah and used to plan it out in your head how I was
gonna go uh-huh did you I would text my friends what do
I say now and you know until you've really seen something that works you're
nervous mm-hmm that's really interesting because
I'm like - if she didn't like put to use on like good nerd like on good night
shouldn't put a smiley face you start thinking about it all those little
things in high school that people used to do and a lot of people relate with is
because this is this is very relatable to to some
many of us did you did she ever tell you a Joshua I gave you so many signs did
you ever say anything like that no cuz she's she was a little shy till okay and
she hadn't experienced a guy before so I don't you think she knew how to give
signs at that point uh okay yeah my wife tells me that I she gave me signs and I
got smaller sign that I never see the sign yeah so any sides my brother says
stuff like that oh yeah you get signs and I know you had to be
direct with me or otherwise just well back then especially talking to girls
that was something I was not very good at yeah I don't know if I'm good at it
now I mean I've been married for 13 years yeah I think it's something that
comes natural for some people and then something you gotta work on I mean
together with my way around girls like and you don't really know that unless
you're surrounded by somebody who's good with girls and you see what they do I'm
not gonna be like I'm not gonna give any dating advice that is not my area I
spread these but thank God we have Josh here cuz he's got a fiancee you're
married with kids
that's good say those were accidents no me no my kids are here this you're not
an accident no but my wife you know actually my wife tells me another thing
that really she really liked about me is that I was so hard to get with and I'm
like yeah I was just so I tell you girls don't like something easy and she
doesn't like this easy and I say yeah yeah that was all plan actually I was
just embarrassed I didn't know how to do though you know the evening stuff and I
was just too slow about it yeah too self-conscious and afraid to
get into a relationship but um do you have any any other stories
that you think you want to share about some of the stuff that you may have
struggled with and/or something that you've overcome I mean I've had anxiety
like most people have what do you mean can you elaborate just kind of anxiety
on if you're not in a place where you feel safe and secure in your life yeah I
I personally get anxiety until I feel like I don't like unknowns meaning like
what do you mean like you don't know where you gonna live you don't know
what's gonna happen with this property but you know you work on yourself and
you're able to overcome that mmm going into events where there's people I
don't know well makes me anxious absolutely same thing I like meeting
people I'm not saying that unlike people I like people but walking through those
doors before I do that at the beginning before I enter the doors I'm nervous I
don't know what's gonna happen am I gonna meet people I'm gonna stay am
I gonna stand alone once I won't enter those doors sometimes I'm able to make a
connection mm-hmm sometimes takes me longer yeah comfortable before I find
somebody to talk so all that to me is just stressful so mm-hmm
absolutely and I can't stand small talk if you're just talking to talk and not
actually get somewhere so that's definitely not my environment when I
walk in I'm definitely very anxious when I took my real-estate license test
actually I didn't pass by one question the first time in the second time the
entire floor felt like it was shaking I had my first panic attack then luckily I
still ended up passing the test the second time but I had never really
experienced a panic attack before and I didn't even know it was going on it was
really weird I don't know what I've heard panic attacks I don't know what
that is I've heard other people say they've had
it what exactly is a panic um I probably what were you what did you
go through there I felt like the floor was shaking even though it wasn't it's
it's all a mental thing and then I would walk through and you're like you start
to feel like these weird feelings in your chest like you don't have control
of your body kind of thing did you work did you have that when you
were going to enter the exam area when I had it when I was entering yeah and then
I had to take the test after oh yeah I needed water like immediately how long
did that last um the actual panic attack lasted it was
the first time it happened maybe 10 minutes and then it would continue to
happen until I learned how to deal with it for like a few days hmm so after that
first time videos and you just gotta like let the feeling that's happening
you can't fight the feeling is what I I figured out it's just like let that
feeling be in you so I thought that first one is when you start to have the
panic attack and you had it and then it started happening for a couple of days
after that because I didn't know what to deal with it
hmm when was that last time you had one that time that was a lot months years
ago two to three years ago hmm so after that during the test where did it happen
next um just in my house like I couldn't
sleep it felt like kind of dizzy hmm bending oh wow okay thanks for sharing
that I don't know what that's like but it sounds yeah it doesn't sound yeah
it's really bad Wow okay when I want to make sure that I point out when I go to
events I don't comfortable I said that and I like going to events I want to do
them I just know that beginning it may happen and I've done
any not that I know now that eventually I get comfortable at it and I find
people to talk to especially now that I'm being more myself they're more
myself I am able to be the more the faster I end up meeting people that I
can talk to if I'm not myself if I'm just there like a robot hiding my
personality and I'm not able to make connections betraying really know who
what I'm about so I just now I work on being just just being myself and then
you see me at an event after I'm comfortable
you won't even imagine that I am introverted or I have these type of
anxieties because I'm just so comfortable at that moment that I'm just
having fun I'm just having a blast yeah and it
comes and goes you just okay it just comes and goes okay I think that was all
III appreciate you talking about this because it's very label so many people
will relate to this and it's I think it's so cool that I to talk to someone
who's doing everything you're doing is also said you're successful investing in
real estate people can see that you have struggle with this stuff there is so
many of us struggle with and you are succeeding this is this stuff is not
what's gonna stop us you know we can yeah it can stop us for a while and we
are able to overcome this stuff we're able to even if we struggling with it we
can get past it we can grow and maybe you can develop relationships with
people who can do some stuff and you are not comfortable with doing so this is
really good Hey thank you very much do you have any anything else that you
would like to share or any questions that you have for me no I think that's
that's it I hope this helps a lot of people working people was the best way
to reach you if they want to get into contact with you um probably DM me on my
Instagram at flipping guru okay I'll put that in the show notes yeah I'll put the
your Instagram account on the show notes okay Josh thank you so much man for
being here so grateful and I
I got a moment of sometimes I'd freeze like dead a man this was really good
thank you really appreciate it yeah thank you thank you for having me I
really appreciate it as well hey Josh so we went up for a little over almost an
hour yeah Wow yeah to inter-rater 30 people talking
for an hour well look what happens with when we get together so I'll do some
shit your hair looks better than mine I'm I'm
gonna do something because that way if my wife ever looks at this episode she
say you know Lisa's coming is there didn't she if my wife doesn't listen to
my episodes
nope she says not when you get big T's thank you appreciate that she says I'm
not gonna listen to that because I may hear something weird that you're saying
there I don't wanna I'm afraid of hearing something strange thank you so
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