Hello! I am Cristiane Amarante, archaeologist,
and today we will make a special video:
an interview with archaeologist João Carlos
Moreno, Juca!
João, let's start by talking, asking the usual
question: how did you
choose Archeology as a profession?
I had two dreams when I was little.
The first one, obviously, was to be an astronaut,
but I discovered that physics is a much
more complicated thing for me, so I
decided on Archeology because I always had a lot of interest in the origin
of humanity, human evolution,
I always found all that fantastic, I wanted to know what it was like.
In Archeology, we study several fields,
and people usually specialize in one field.
You specialized in lytic,
which in popular parlance would be
chipped stones. And why the interest
in lytic?
Chipped and polished stones.
Yes, chipped and polished stones.
I work more with the chipped stones.
My interest was... it wasn't...
I had no understanding when I went to graduate school of it was
a lytic artifact, how a chipped stone was made,
I had no idea. I went to do the course thinking it was...
I would study about human evolution, but I also thought that
"wow, I'm going to study the dinosaurs,
the pyramids of Egypt, how cool!"
Then I went in and I understood that it's not
quite this fantasy that we see in the media,
and I discovered that it has nothing to do with dinosaur, that
Archeology only deals with humans,
and the things of human beings that always pleased me the most
were old things, because it is common
to have passions, right, archaeologists
like what is oldest.
I wanted to study human evolution,
but in Brazil we do not have things as old as we have
in the "Old World",
right, Africa...
Here in Brazil the oldest dates
accepted in the scientific community are of 14 thousand years
(there are some older things out there that we know),
and what we have in those places, also
doesn't have much skeleton; what we will have is
the chipped stone, which is what is preserved.
So why not study what you have the most
and give you a lot of information?
We get so much information on a lytic artifact
and on the waste done by its production! This enchanted me so much!
And I said: that's what I want. Stone
and bone, when you have them. I want those two. And my biggest opportunity
that always appeared
more was with the lytic, and I ended up
going more towards this field.
Speaking of the replicas, you have a website
where you divulge the pieces that you do,
because, let's stress again, right,
that selling archaeological pieces is a crime, but for those who like it,
you can buy a piece made by an archaeologist
specialist
in Experimental Archeology and in the lytic period,
, which is the main, so you'll not be buying a piece
that has nothing to do with anything, which was made from a book, right.
It's from someone who knows how to chip and researches
on the subject, and so it is a reliable piece.
So explain
a little bit of this, of your process, of
your work now, of also doing that
people who expose, and
make collections, that have an interest.
At first I had no intention of... I hadn't thought
of making replicas like this
to sell. Then I thought, but I should sell it,
sell it for real, right, I'm going to build
a small shop, because I'm sure there are people interested in
having materials like this, teaching material,
to show in the classroom or to do
patrimonial education, I know it's what you do,
right, and you can take a piece of it, if you do not have archaeological material
to show, you take a replica and show
that kind of material, how it's made,
this technology , this shape
with this type of material,
tocirix, orelito, in this region you find this,
, in this region you find that ... Showing this
is very didactic. And also for exhibitions,
when you do not have materials that are typical
of your region, right? I can do
the replica of a material that does not exist in Brazil
for a Brazilian museum.
And you will have a replica of this material in your museum
for people who will never have the opportunity to go abroad
and learn about it, they can learn from the museum with the replicas.
So why not sell to
people who have that interest? There are also people who have personal interests,
have their collections, so I found it interesting to also
sell them.
And it's good to say that
replicas can often be confused with
the original materials. That is,
this is original, but archaeological material, we can't confuse an archaeological
retort with the truly archaeological.
So one thing I always do is to do
a kind of signature on all the pieces,
and a person who will look at this material and
understands the analysis will look at that signature and say: ah, this is a replica here.
So there's always a marquee I always leave,
which I explain to the person I'm going to sell. I say: look, there is a mark
in this region that you will see, also polished,
with two stripes, or three dots...
Then it's there, and the person identifies that it's a replica.
And another thing that
draws my attention to your professional career,
which in addition to the academic research you have,
the path of undergraduate, master's,
doctorate, you also have a concern
with scientific dissemination,
and you have for a long time already a website
in internet, which is "Arqueologia e
Pré-História", where there are
several collaborators (and I am one of them, too),
more people who write texts, right, about
Archeology, which is a form of people who are not from our field
and people who are learning to have a contact,
and you also have the channel,
which is "Arqueologia em Ação". So explain
a little of this experience,
how you think the audience gets,
if you've already had some
feedback from people who follow,
who ask questions, how is t
his reception of the public in relation to the
channels of communication with the non archeologists
or apprentices of Archeology that you have
I... It was in 2013 that I set up the website
"Arqueologia e Pré-História".
At first I started because
I wanted something beyond the master's degree to do,
because
you keep just doing that research straight ahead
sometimes tires you,
but at the same time I like Archeology too much to do
a hobby out of Archeology. So I thought, why not spread a little
more of Archeology to those who don't
understand the field, right? So I set up the website,
a website that has no lucrative purpose,
I don't earn anything for that (sometimes I even spend money to
keep it in the air),
but I'm very happy, it gives me great
pleasure to keep the website,
because I see
it its filling a gap I
didn't even think existed at the time.
Today I understand that there was, and still there is a gap,
if you think how much scientific dissemination
existed of Archeology in Brazil.
What else do you have, by taking away the existing archeology
websites for dissemination, five years ago you
had only stories in newspapers, magazines,
and it was not much, and it was still misleading,
and sometimes very misleading information.
Or else people would learn only from the movies,
books that are mixing Archeology with Paleontology,
and aliens,
and adventure, and shooting,
and it's not quite like this... Archaeologists don't beat Nazi, right?
Even if we want to.
Anyway...
I have seen that it's filling that gap
based on the feedback I have from people.
In the first year the thing was going slowly,
people were still getting to know the site,
I didn't spend so much time, I still can't dedicate so much time,
sometimes I can, sometimes not ... I'm glad that now I have collaborators,
like you, right, to help me
maintain the website...
But I see that it has come back based on
how much people share the news
that we publish on Facebook, Twitter,
how often they comment, sometimes comment asking
questions, or sometimes just commenting
on the friend's name, or some people they know...
"Hey, you, look at this! They found an archaeological site in your area!"
Or "Hey, you, this is interesting for you!"
And every week I get at least 4 or 5 e-mails from people
saying they have found
archaeological material in their city, their house, their farm,
or they have heard of someone who has something, send
photos... Sometimes they are things that are nothing,
but the person thinks it's archaeological material, but it's only a stone that
has a similar shape... And sometimes people
send me... These days a person sent me a photo of
a very similar tip to this one; I was like,
"Wow, I want to know who that person is!" because even I
have a personal interest in it.
Already there have been cases of
people sending information from archaeological sites, I contact
archaeologists in the region,
Mato Grosso do Sul, and I say "Look, do you have an interest?
One person found a site with this material here".
And the archaeologist of that department will get in touch because he has an
interest.
Because this person you meet doesn't know who to look for.
He or she goes on the internet to search for "Archeology", "Prehistory",
and finds the website "Arqueologia e Pré-História" instead of
finding the websites of the departments that the person does not know
who to contact, who is an archaeologist, so they contact the website.
People don't know the existence of IPHAN, for example, to
say "Look, I found a site". They get in touch with the
website "Arqueologia e Pré-História" instead. They don't
even know of the existence of an IPHAN, which is the Heritage
Institute that takes care of it all.
And from the website we end up referring other archeologists
from their respective regions that will do their procedures.
There are also many people who get in touch
because they want to become archaeologists.
They ask me questions. Some
have already discovered that there is a page on a website that talks about how to
become an archaeologist in Brazil, and even after they read the text,
they send me e-mail asking more specific questions:
ah, but how is the course of that place? What about the professors?
I'm worried
about a very specific thing about Archeology;
or, ah, I'm from another field, but I want to become an archaeologist
because I did not know that there was Archeology in Brazil and such,
and we try to give that little help. So, it's having a really
big payback on the site. I see it's filling
a gap that way.
Nice. That's good, to involve people, right?
This is the idea. Because sometimes we have a speech
that is only among us, right,
in a language among us... And the website...
And "Arqueologia em Ação" is already going another way,
which I didn't expect either. I thought the two of them could follow the same path.
"Arqueologia em Ação" is a YouTube channel
and it's more geared to interviews with archaeologists
and now I'm doing demonstrations on
how to replicate lytic artifacts and such.
But these videos, different from
the website,
on the website people send e-mails asking very general questions,
like "Ah, I don't know how it is",
but in the videos I'm having a different return. I'm getting feedback from
Archeology students and
Archeology or History teachers
telling me: "I'm using your videos in my classes."
I'm like this:
really??
I had no idea that I would end up being
passed in the classroom, right, because
there's something I don't know…
Seriously, is it worth passing in the classroom? Because
it's something that the videos are also in a more
lay language, it's not very academic, for the big public
to understand better. It turns out that the videos are being consumed
by a more academic audience, and that has satisfied me a bit,
even if you don't use an academic language,
you see that people from other fields
are also very fond of not being an academic language
because they are understanding better, and this is also making me very happy.
Well, if you want to know more about João,
about his work, visit
"Arqueologia em Ação",
visit both websites,
you'll have them here in the video's description,
both websites and the YouTube channel,
and share "Arqueologia Alternativa", share
"Arqueologia em Ação", sign up for the two channels, and see you next time!
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