Rep. Trey Gowdy Drops Massive Hillary Shell She's Busted
meanwhile House Republicans are launching new investigations into
Hillary Clinton including the revelation that her campaign and the Democratic
National Committee paid for opposition research that led to the Russia dossier
that accused the Trump campaign of collusion with the Russians joining us
now to discuss all this congressman trey Gowdy chairman of the House Oversight
Committee chairman let's start with the report from several news outlets that
the first Muller charges will be announced tomorrow as a former federal
prosecutor yourself what will you be looking for well first of all Chris we
don't know who's being charla Sumar you and know the reporting is true we don't
know who's being charged we don't know what they're being charged for we don't
know the time period I will tell you this the only conversation I've had with
Robert Mulder it was stressing to him the importance of cutting out the leaks
with respect to serious investigations so it is kind of ironic that the people
will charge with investigating the law and executing the law would violate the
law and make no mistake disclosing grand jury material is a violation of the law
so as a former prosecutor I'm disappointed that you and I are having
the conversation because somebody violated their oath of secrecy
let's handicap this though if you will sort of expert analysis as a federal
prosecutor you're quite right we do not know who's being charged and what
they're being charged for what if anything when we find that out whether
it's somebody close to the president somebody further down whether it's
something related to Russia or whether it's what in effect an extraneous charge
not to say it's not a legitimate charge but something like fraud or money
laundering what will that tell us about the Muller investigation well a little
phrase in the memo from Rod Rosenstein arose or may arise from the
investigation I mean the reason you have that phraseology is if special counsel
finds evidence of a crime that's unrelated to his or her original
jurisdiction you don't ignore it but it's going to be really important
whether or not this indictment involves fifteen year old business transactions
or 15 day ol conversations with Russia so it's really important what the charge
is it's really important who the person being charged is I one thing I don't get
that excited about although I do see a lot of reporting is somehow or another
you're gonna be able to flip a witness and that witness is gonna turn state's
evidence on on on everyone else if you didn't believe a witness yesterday
chances are great you're not gonna believe that witness tomorrow
particularly if they're under indictment and have a reason to curry favor with
the government these investigations come down to documents and evidence much more
so than they do witness testimony so I would caution your viewers don't get too
excited that all of a sudden the government now has the star witness that
star witness you probably didn't believe well we could go and you won't believe a
week from now there have been growing calls from some Republicans to end the
Muller investigation some people say he's too close to call me and the FBI
and that he ought to resign some people say that when the Muller budget for the
Special Counsel investigation is presented to Congress to review next
month that they should cut off funding do you support any effort to either
curtail or end the Muller investigation I don't and I readily concede I'm in an
increasingly small group of Republicans I think Bob Muller has a really
distinguished career of service to our country I don't think any of your
viewers can think of a single thing he did is the FBI director that calls them
to have a lack of confidence in him I think most of your viewers have to be
reminded that he actually was the FBI director or they actually was a US
attorney because he's a pretty apolitical guy I see the reporting I see
the same thing you're making reference to that he and Comey you're friends I'm
not really sure what the definition of that is I've got a lot of co-workers it
wouldn't stop me from investigating them or prosecuting them so they're not
family members they weren't business partners I would encourage my Republican
friends give the guy a chance to do his job the result will be known by the
facts but what he owned covers the personalities involved are
much less important to me than the underlying facts so I would I would say
give the guy a chance to do his job let's turn to the revelation this week
that it turns out that the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National
Committee paid for the opposition research that led to the writing the
formulation of this Russia dossier that has makes all kinds of accusations
against President Trump and his campaign what do you think is the significance of
that revelation well one of the areas of significance Chris is just how hard the
Democrats in Congress fault Republicans for trying to gain access to this
information if it were up to Adam Schiff and other Democrats who of course want
all the facts to come out they don't want all the facts of Russia to come out
except who financed the dossier so that's the most important thing to me is
how unserious the Democrats in the House have been about uncovering all the facts
I am interested in who paid for the dossier because that helps you
understand motive and intent whether or not you can rely on the document I am
much more interested in whether or not the Department of Justice and the FBI
relied upon that dossier in initiating a counterintelligence investigation or in
court filings that is really important to me I don't expect the DNC to be
objective almost by definition opposition research is not objective I
do expect an entity represented by a blindfolded woman to be objective and if
they relied on that dossier and they didn't corroborate it or vet it then we
have a serious issue and that's the next thing that house Intel is trying to find
out is whether or not the US government relied on yeah let me ask you about that
because your what the two points you're making and I agree these are two very
important questions did the FBI base its original investigation at least in part
of the dossier and when you talk about court representations that's the the
possibility that they use the dossier to convince the FISA Court to allow the FBI
to wiretap people in Trump world front associates do you have any evidence of
that I understand the investigation is beginning well actually the
investigation not just beginning we've been trying for a long time to get the
Department of Justice to give us access to this information it frankly took the
Speaker of the House this week to tell the department that we're not going away
you know Chris people don't like it when I say this but it's actually true
it's sometimes hard to tell the difference between the Obama Department
of Justice and the current Department of Justice in terms of transparency and
their willingness to share information with Congress this is a really simple
request did you rely on the dossier and if so did you vet it before you relied
upon it you can answer that in 30 seconds but it's taken three months for
the Department of Justice and only recently have they agreed to give us the
information so the battle was not just with House Democrats unfortunately it's
also with the Department of Justice they ain't access to the information we need
to wrap up this investigation what about the fact that the Clinton campaign and
the DNC which paid 12 million dollars to the law firm Perkins called that that
paid for the opposition research that led to the dossier that in the FEC
filings that simply says 12 million dollars to Perkins called the law firm
for legal work no mention of the fact that it was also paying for Oppo
research that went to Christopher Steele of former British intelligence agency
agent that went to the to the Kremlin not the money that the Kremlin but his
investigation as I understand it that that willful misrepresentation of
campaign expenditures is a criminal offense well I'm not an election law
expert Chris but the good news is you don't have to be to understand the
absurdity of believing that you can launder all of your campaign money by
just hiring a law firm I mean imagine if you and I were running for Congress and
we just hired a law firm and said hey you go do all the oppo you go buy all
the television you go buy all the bumper stickers you go hire all the experts and
we're gonna launder all of this through a law firm I can't think of anything
that defeats the purpose of transparency laws more than that so I am interested
in that and I'm also interested in sharing some memory tricks with folks at
the DNC because no one can remember who paid ten
million dollars to a law firm to do Oppo research I found that stunning ten
million dollars and no one can remember who authorized it who approved it who
said yeah this is a really good idea so you've got two issues a memory issue and
then the lack of transparency by laundering money through a law firm
where we're running out of time and I want to ask you two more questions one
is that you're also have begun an investigation into the 2010 uranium 1
deal this was the deal under which 20% of America's uranium reserves ended up
going to a Russian government agency Hillary Clinton responded this week to
all of this talk about her I'd like to play the clip of her the closer the
investigation about real Russian ties between Trump associates and real
Russians the more they want to just throw mud on the wall and I'm their
favorite target me and you know President Obama we're the ones that they
always like to put into the crosshairs so Secretary Clinton and other Democrats
are saying that you and the Republicans are just trying to shift the
conversation well Chris all the way back in 2010 Peter King and Rawls saw Ileana
Ross late until my colleagues on the house in telemedicine a letter to
sophia's trying to better understand this transaction in 2015 the House
Oversight Committee also wrote the Obama administration trying to understand what
Cepheus did whether or not they had all the information but but Chris also keep
in mind we've spent most of 2017 trying to better understand what Russia did to
this country in 2016 not to the Democrats not to the Republicans but to
this country so what we know is that Russia was not our friend in 2016 it's
not that big of a leap to ask I wonder if they were our friends in 2010 that's
not that big of a leap it wasn't Republicans who gave the reset button to
Russia it wasn't Republicans who said we'll
have more flexibility in the second term it was a Republican named Mitt Romney
who said Russia was our greatest threat and the Democrats laughed at him so yes
I do no if the same group that tried to
sabotage our democracy in 2016 is buying uranium in 2010 yeah I want to know that
okay two quick questions to wrap this up on the one hand given the revelations
about the fact that the DNC and the Clinton campaign paid for this the
Russia dossier in effect do we at this moment have harder evidence of collusion
between Clinton and the Russians than we do
about Trump and the Russians you know Chris they're there five words that
start with C collusion coordination conspiracy contact and coincidence and
and where this falls out in those five C's I don't know the word collusion has
a criminal connotation to it I think the premise of your question it is accurate
for a long time we've heard about all the ties between the Trump campaign and
Russia from which there is no evidence and lo and behold despite serious
Democrat opposition we have uncovered that the DNC was working with Russia and
actors to try to besmirch Donald Trump's reputation so it's certainly interesting
whether it's collusion coincidence coordination I don't know yet right and
very briefly we do know that as you point out the key is the Russians did
interfere they did hack the DNC files they did hack and put out information
about John Podesta files don't we need to get to the bottom of that too I've
spent the better part of 2017 doing that including interviewing three witnesses
last week and I got a bunch more this week yet Russia's not our friend
WikiLeaks is not our friend Julian Assange is not our friend they tried to
attack the fundamentals of our democracy and that's what I've spent 2017 focusing
on that to me is an American issue I wish the Democrats would help a little
bit more instead of reading the Moscow phonebook during the witness interviews
trying to see whether Jared Kushner knows a guy named Igor
I wish they'd help but but that's been my focus in 2017 is understanding that
Russia tried to subvert our democracy and and it'd be great if my Democrat
friends helped a little bit chairman Gowdy thank you thanks for your time and
we will follow all the investigations in coming days sir
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