Welcome to the channel "AFTER ALL, WHAT ARE WE?"
Rubem, in this second part of his interview, will tell us how it was
the encounter between him and this being who was at the end of the tunnel of light
and he will also tell us in detail how was his return.
Shall we watch?
... there comes a time when ... a being appears ...
between me and the gate.
He appeared between me and the gate ... he did not totally obstructed the gate ...
It's as if he were next to me and I had not seen it before.
he was hiding ... I would say.
Because out of the gate ... outside I only saw darkness.
There was only darkness out of the door.
And what about that tunnel of light that existed before the gate?
It's as if the tunnel had left me there ...
and then the tunnel disappeared ...
when I got there.
I got there ... at that point ... where I stood before a gate ...
I saw these beings ... these people ... on the other side ...
and after feeling this love ...
this feeling of warm welcome ...
and feeling this love ...
indescribable in words ...
and after I felt ... at that moment ... more loved than ...
than during all my life ... by anyone in my family ...
My family has two strands ...
there is the evangelical religious strand ...
and the other family ... on the part of father ... is Catholic ... on the part of mother is evangelical ...
I never had from my family ... a caring ... a love ... a great attention ...
as I felt at that moment.
I felt as if my place were there.
They transmitted that feeling to me.
It's like I belong there ... it's as if there were my place.
And I deduced this at that moment ...
in which I felt this love.
I figured that that was my place ... that was where I was supposed to be.
None of these creatures tried a ... speech ... or telepathy ... none of it.
They just watched me.
I felt several feelings on their part.
In some of them I felt curiosity ... on their part ...
from others I felt affection ... love ... affection ...
and from others I felt peace ...
they transmitted me peace.
I felt fullness... very well received ...
and I was finding that experience to be wonderful and I was thinking ...
that my attempt of ending my life had been fruitful ...
and that I ... supposedly ... was coming into heaven ... according to the religions that I had frequented ...
my vision ... the impression I had is that that place was heaven ...
according to the religions that I attended until that time.
That's when ... at that moment ... this being appeared ...
and he stood between that gate ... that portal or that gate ...
I would say these two words could define it ...
... it could be a portal and could be a gate ... because that's all I could see.
And this being appeared ...
I perceived he was by my side ...
and he stood between that gate ... between me and the gate.
One thing I realized ... he was way taller than me ...
and until that moment I had no references of height ...
or of distance ...
I seemed to belong everywhere ... there ... at that moment.
And ... that caught my attention ...
he was taller than me ...
so much so that I had to lift my eyes ... I had to look up to see him ...
to try to see his face.
How tall would you say he was?
I ... roughly ... I'd say he'd be about two and a half meters ...
because the only reference point I had was ... the measurements of my body ...
so ... the fact that I had to look up to observe him ...
I immediately ... calculated ...
in my mind ... always working ... in a rational way ...
trying to seek explanations ...
I calculated that moment there ...
at that very moment ... I calculated ...
"He must be two and a half meters tall."
I had to look up ... so ... I had to make that little change in the direction of my look ...
But when you say you needed to make this little change in your look ...
this reminds me of a body ...
but you said that to look back you did not have to turn.
How do these two things ... go along?
When I realized he was approaching ...
I thought about looking and I was already looking at him.
But when I looked at him I looked ...
I realized that I was looking at a being that was taller ...
because in my line of sight ... in my visual line ...
I was looking at his shoulders or maybe his arms.
And then ... instantly I ...
I thought ... I just thought about looking up ... looking up ... and I was already looking.
There was no body ... I had no body.
That second body was left behind ... somehow ...
I do not know ... if he [the second body] was close to me ... if I was in him ...
I do not know what happened.
I think I was out of it because he [the second body] was paralyzed ... like I said before.
What caught my attention at that moment ... when he appeared ...
is that he did not look like the people on the other side ... of the gate.
He seemed to be enveloped ... in a light ... very ... fleeting ... very ...
I was able to outline his silhouette ...
thank to the light that enveloped his body.
And about his color ... I could not see color in his body ...
He ... it was dark ...
It was like he were a shadow with light around ... if I could ... explain it that way.
What color was this light?
It was a light ...
white bluish ... bluish white.
One thing that was interesting ... this light was not constant.
For example ... I was admiring this being ...
for a moment, before he communicated with me ...
because he communicated first with me ...
I did not question ... I was just amazed ... looking at everything ...
and when I looked at him I realized that the light that enveloped him ...
it was moving ... it was like a gas moving around him ...
this light had movement ...
I noticed it passing from the front of his body back ...
from back to front...
in the head the same thing...
I could see it at the upper part of his body ...
especially it was very bright up here on the part of his head ...
the light was stronger ... on the top of his head.
and outlined his silhouette ...
but I could not see his face ...
his clothes...
I could only see the silhouette and deduce that he was a human being ...
but taller.
The impression ... the feeling I had is that he was trying ... to hide himself ...
or rather ... not to show up ...
not to reveal himself.
then ... there existed ... as a kind of energy ...
or a cover ... a mask ...
I do not know ... it's hard to say ...
dark ... that would not allow me to see ... the shape of this being ...
he was humanoid ... I perceived the arms ...
I only could see him from the waist up ...
I could see the trunk, the arms ... and his face.
You said "humanoid" ... does that mean you felt he was a little different from us?
Because of the height ... the height.
I have come to this conclusion because of the difference in height.
For example, people who were on the other side... of the gate ...
they looked like normal people ...
and in my line of sight they were in the same height ...
some shorter ... some a little taller ...
but in my line of sight they were the same stature as me.
When I used this comparison ... this method of comparison ... rational ... with him [this being]...
it did not work because ... he seemed to be ...
there was a moment when he seemed to have more than three meters ...
but...
in the main part ... in the part ...
in the whole experience with him ...
I do not know why ... but I have this idea of two and a half meters.
It's as if I had tried to recreate in my mind ... in the world of my mind ...
this experience.
And when I remember ...
when I close my eyes, I can clearly remember.
This is very clear in my mind.
I remember clearly everything that happened ... in the order I explained.
because I've always been very curious while I was going through that experience.
And I realized that he was really bigger ...
so he was different, in a way, but he was humanoid.
Yes.
He was humanoid.
Then ... the big shock happened.
I call it ... I usually call it a big shock ...
because when he appeared ...
he blocked ... all those ... feelings ... emotions that I was feeling from the other side ...
when he appeared these emotions were blocked.
And ... he was very vehement about what he said to me there.
He spoke in a very ... insistent ... authoritative voice ... but ... at the same time very kind.
A kind authoritarianism, which is a paradox ... I do not know ...
He imposed ... he imposed himself on me.
As if ... I was not allowed to cross that gate.
The impression I had is that he ...
protected the portal so I would not cross.
And then he spoke.
He spoke to me.
He did it always looking at me and I was looking at him ... he spoke to me.
He did not verbalize ... it came from his mind to my mind.
He spoke the following phrase:
"Brother..."
"why did you do that?"
"It's not your time yet."
It was a male voice ...
with a certain tone of authority ... but at the same time ... loving.
It was like he was giving me some advice.
Or ... much more than advice.
It's like he's scolding me for trying to put an end to my own life ...
but at the same time he did not want my hurt ...
he did not want to hurt me ...
he was ... trying to show me the misfortune ... the mistake I made.
The very big mistake I made trying to put an end to my own life.
That's when, at this moment, it happened like a click inside my head.
until then I was dazzled by all the experience I was having ...
but this being put me in my place.
He spoke directly to me the words that ... stirred my whole being.
It's as if his voice had come with a power ...
as if it were ... a stream of a very strong river ... invading my mind ...
and from my mind it spread through a body that I did not feel.
I felt invaded by that phrase ...
and that phrase echoed in the my consciousness...
and immediately I remembered the whole process ...
that I had when trying to put an end to my own life.
And then I felt a very great remorse.
A remorse ...
a very great sense of remorse.
A feeling of great shame.
I felt very ... very bad at this time ... very bad.
But he ... he ...
he began to transmit ... a peace to me ... even with this recrimination ...
he transmitted this peace to me ...
and he said to me:
"go back!"
And in that moment ...
I remember that the people who were there on the other side I could not see anymore ...
they disappeared...
the gate began to close ... to disappear ... I would say.
It began to turn dark.
It was as if that place were a limit ... I could not go beyond that limit.
I do not know in what way ... what did he do ... if he was ... you know ... I do not remember him touching me ...
I remember ... I remember yes ... I remember him reaching out his arm ...
and pointing back ... behind me ...
He was in front of me ... he pointed behind me and said ... "go back!"
When he pointed ... and said ... "go back!" ...
I felt the back of my head being pulled ...
and I felt I was in the position ...
strangely ... because ... it's weird because ... I was feeling [until then] ... standing ...
but I had not ... I did not see a body [of myself].
When he told me to return ...
It's as if I had slowly lied down ...
and my head entered the tunnel ... so I saw the tunnel again ... I saw myself inside the tunnel again ...
but in the opposite position.
When I came in ... I entered my head first ... and I went towards the end of this tunnel.
On the way back, when he told me to return ...
it was the opposite ... my head ... exactly the opposite ... I returned ...
my head entered first ... and I saw my body sliding inside that tunnel of light.
The light was the same.
The difference at this point is that the speed was higher.
I went in ... slowly ...
and on my way back I returned faster.
I started to return a lot faster.
Much faster so that ... I could not see ...
I tried to look ... sideways but I was not able to do it.
I only had glances ... I glanced at ... and I saw the tunnel.
Was your body as inert as before when you could not move it?
Exactly ... my body was inert ... I could not move this body.
It was inert ... I could not move it ...
and ... this time ...
besides being inert I could not see ...
I tried to see ... to the sides ... and back ... and I could not.
It was different from when I came in ... in the entrance I could see ...
the entire tunnel as if I had a 360 degree vision.
When you entered the tunnel you said that inside the tunnel, the second body began to disappear.
And you became ... you became invisible and became just a consciousness.
On the way back did you feel regaining that second body?
It reappeared to me.
It's as if it were there but I could not see it ...
I only noticed this body again when I entered the tunnel ... again ... on the return.
First the head entered ... then my chest ... the legs ... the arms ...
and I came back.
But it's interesting that I did not have the feeling that I was falling head over heels.
The feeling is that I was sliding horizontally ...
and not falling.
strange ... because ... when I left the body ...
when this other body got separated ...
I had the feeling of going up.
I had this feeling.
I had this orientation because I had [as a reference] the roof of my house ... the neighborhood ...
so I had the impression that my body was standing and going up.
But not on the return ... on the way back I was sliding down the tunnel ... as if I were in a horizontal position.
It was fast ...
as I said, the return ... it was faster than the entrance ...
But how was it? ... di you go through the tunnel ... the Earth appeared again ... was it all the other way around?
It was all the other way around.
I saw planet Earth at a glance ... again ...
But it was very fast ...
It was like this ...
you know ... fraction ... I would say fractions of seconds ... but not there ...
Time there is different.
I usually measure this experience ... by the speed ... in which I thought.
"It took me this amount of time to figure this out and figure that out ..."
"to come to a conclusion."
So I talk about the time there but the impression I had is that there was no time.
There was no time there.
But there was no time but at the same time ...
there was a sequence of events ...
and a sequence of events ... defines time.
Yes... that's it. I was very intrigued by this for a long time ...
But the feeling I had is that there was no time ...
because ... for example ...
the entrance into the tunnel was slow ... it was smooth ... agreeable... and...
[if I could] measure the time ... I was in the tunnel when I first got into it ... I'd say it was ... about 20 minutes.
30 minutes, maybe.
But the way back ...
it was faster ...
and the thoughts that passed in my mind ... in my consciousness ...
they ... were just questions ... they were questions ... like ... "why am I coming back?" ... "what did I do?"
I was invaded by a ... group of ... thoughts that ... I did not want these thoughts...
my thoughts were invading my consciousness without my permission ... in a way.
So I could not measure anything ... the only thing I had ... to guide me was the tunnel.
And I could feel the movement of the tunnel.
Like I said ...
it was made of light but it seemed to be a touchable... light ...
it looked like a palpable light ...
I could feel ...
it was as if I could see every ... molecule of this place ... of that tunnel ... I do not know what it is made of ...
passing by me.
I had this feeling ... on the way back.
Way faster.
and I saw at a glance ... really ... I came back faster and I glimpsed Earth ...
and ... right after ... I was already over the city ...
and ... also ... right after ... I was already on the roof ...
and ... right after I was on top ...
I was floating ... I stopped ... I hovered over my physical body.
This other body hovered over the physical body for a moment.
It ... made a sudden stop.
But it was not painful ...
I did not feel a blow like ... for example ... in the second NDE ... that I went through.
I did not feel an abrupt return.
No ... it came back ...
it stayed hovering over the physical body ...
I saw my physical body the same as before I left ...
it was there ... in the same position ...
then ... I noticed that ... things in this world here ... were happening more slowly.
I say that because I left the radio playing ...
when I tried to put an end to my life ...
and ... when I came back ... I heard what was playing on the radio ...
and what was being played on the radio was slow ...
it was taking more time to happen...
the sentence took time to complete ...
as if time were ... slower ...
really slower.
When I came back...
I hovered ... I remember hovering above the physical body ...
and this second body that had been formed ... it got again a luminosity ...
even a little brighter than it was at first.
It was as if I had been fueled ... I do not know ... by energies ...
of a feeling I never had experienced in my life ...
I've been fed in some way ...
I realized that... this [second] body came back brighter.
And that seemed to be a good thing.
I realized it was a good thing.
And the same way it moved ...
the same way it took off ... on my way out ... after my attempt to end my own life ...
it ... started linking again ...
I clearly saw the threads ...
I assume they were ...
copies of the nervous system ... of the physical body ... that we have ...
because it was very similar ... very similar ...
I saw ... the division ... of the nervous system ...
coming out of this blue body and fitting into the physical body ...
everything in its proper place.
One at a time ... first the feet ... the legs ... the hip ... the chest ...
the ... head ... and arms and hands.
I saw this clearly.
The filaments ... they had a more greenish tone ...
I realized that the filaments gave a greenish tinge to this blue body.
I realized at that moment that the body was, indeed, bluish.
The filaments gave a greenish tone...
and seemed to have a connection with the physical body.
And that was a natural process ...
It was neither fast ...
nor slow
although I felt that the time ... in the physical world ... when I listened to the songs on the radio ...
the music was playing slowly...
it took more time to reach me.
I really realized that.
It was very clear.
But this return of the body was natural ...
It was as if my time was different from the time out there.
The body started connecting ... connecting ... connecting ...
until ... it ... involved ... it entered completely into the physical body.
I could see its luminosity ...
going around my physical body ...
and I felt a somnolence ...
but not that kind of somnolence that... you know ... you're sleepy ...
and you need to sleep because you have to get some rest.
No.
It was a somnolence ...
a strong one but it did not take away my consciousness ... I remained conscious.
I felt ... that this part here was the last one to fit ... this frontal part.
When it fitted in ...
I had the last ... I think it was the last vision I had... out of the body.
I saw that last part was the last one to fit in.
In that moment ... I remember everything blacked out.
Everything was dark.
For a few moments I was afraid ... but ...
the pain came back...
the weight came back...
I felt...
and it was all at once.
At this moment I felt the weight of my body ...
I felt an unbearable pain ... all over my chest ... it was all aching ... aching arms ...
my legs were tired as if I had walked for many miles ...
I felt several physical effects ...
and a very strong headache.
One thing I forgot to tell about ... one thing that we commented on the first conversation ...
you asked me if I had heard any sound ... do you remember?
Yes.
During the tunnel entrance I heard ... a high-frequency sound ...
like it was the note...
DO, RE, MI, FA, SOL, LA, SI... the note "SI".
but at a high ... a very high frequency ... very high.
A very high frequency but it did not bother me.
Do you mean the note "SI" because it really is the note "SI"...?
Or are you just saying it's a high pitched sound?
No ... because it had the sonority ... of the note "SI".
It was an "EA" [sound like tEA].
Ah ... I understood ... so you're not referring to ...
You're talking more about the "EA" sound than about the note ... the tone "SI" ... I understood.
I do not quite understand the audio frequencies ... so ...
I know it was a high frequency because ... it was as if that note vibrated ...
very quickly ... very ... really very quickly ...
and it was like a singing ... I can not tell if it was really a singing.
I've even heard ...
as I study Buddhism nowadays...
I've heard some mantras that use the note "SI".
Sorry for the question...
Is it the note "SI" ... differently of the note "SOL" ...?
Or are you referring more to the "EA" sound ...?
To the frequency "EA"?
To the frequency "EA" ... exactly.
So it's not the note "SI" ... it's a high frequency that had an "EA" sound ... I understood.
It's because I do not understand ... I'm sorry ... I do not understand ...
That was very clear to me.
It was "EA".
The entrance to the tunnel ... the tunnel crossing ... was accompanied by this sound ...
very strong sound... but it did not bother me...
unlike what happens here ...
if you hear a very high frequency sound here ...
depending on the musical style that the person likes to hear ...
this person can ... feel disturbed.
Not there.
I felt that power ... it was very powerful ... it was very powerful.
You came back to the body ... you felt the pain ... you felt the weight ...
And then ... did you wake up ...?
I did not wake up ... totally.
I lay in bed feeling this pain.
I felt the weight of the body ...
and I deduced ... "of course ... gravity ... wow.. how heavy my body is ..."
and ... the pain ... did not let me think straight.
I brought this experience with me immediately.
When I came back to the body ...
I felt ... first ... the weight ... the pain ... the pain was unbearable.
The pain was very unbearable.
I have no words to describe a pain I've never had in my life.
The pain would not let me think.
I remember starting to remember all that I had gone through ... all this experience.
I started to remember ...
I remembered step by step ...
feeling pain and not being able to move my body normally ...
I had a hard time moving an arm ...
I did not know what was happening to my body ...
I did not know if I was dying ... I did not know if I was ...
you know ... I did not know what my situation was ... I was alone at home ...
I waited till nobody was at home to attempt to put an end to my life.
The same day ... you felt the pain ... you realized you were back in the body. Did you also remember all that had happened?
The first feeling I had was remorse.
Remorse was the first feeling I felt.
While I was dying there ... in pain ...
trying to ask someone for help ...
I realized that I was already [back] ...
the music that was playing on the radio was playing normal ...
the speed of sound was normal ...
I realized that I was ... back .. here ... in this world ...
and then...
I had a mix of emotions ...
I felt remorse first and then ... after the remorse I felt ... the urge to cry ...
but I could not cry.
It was as if part of my body was still off.
And this gradually changed in the course of the night.
I think I spent the whole night ...
I remember going to sleep...
of being able to sleep at nearly five o'clock in the morning.
Let me ask you a question ...
you did not explain this at first ...
I know about it because we've talked before ...
what is the process you have chosen to try to put an end to your life?
Because this explains why you were like you were.
As I told you ... by that time ... I was working as a clerk at a pharmacy ...
and ... back then ... that was 1994 ... I was about 20 years old.
I had access to a lot of material of pharmaceutical companies ...
and my boss was "Practice" in pharmacy.
There was this function at the time ...
today it does not exist anymore ... it is not allowed.
He taught me ... for example ... to apply injections ... to bandage ...
simple things because it was a neighborhood pharmacy ...
a local pharmacy ... that only attended the population of the neighborhood.
It was not a big pharmacy.
So I had access ... I knew which ones ... I read a lot ...
I did a very large search before putting into practice my attempt of ending my life.
I studied products ... medicines ...
chemicals that could be sold at the time ...
and, briefly, I made a cocktail ...
I read the leaflet of some ... I read ... the technical part ... at that time there was no internet so I had to read everything ...
It took a long time...
I remember that I spent almost a month planning.
I wanted to make sure that when I injected these drugs into myself, my heart would stop.
And I chose drugs that had side effects, if used in excess,
a cardiac arrest ...
a renal failure...
I once talked to a cardiologist ...
I was doing an exam with a cardiologist...
and I talked to him about this ...
I did not tell him about the experience [NDE] ... I told him about the pain ...
I talked about the experience ... of having injected such substances ...
and I told him that I felt a lot of pain in my chest.
He said ... "Look ... the way you're talking ... it could have been a pain ... for example ... an angina ..."
which is common to happen...
before a cardiac arrest.
But it depends on the case ... then he gave me some explanations and ...
I came to the conclusion that my heart may have stopped ... because...
because the drugs I put on the cocktail were very strong.
Let me ask you something ... about the filaments ... because ...
I've heard a lot about filaments ...
Were they few ... were they many ...?
From what I understood you came to see the second body as the filaments disappeared.
Were they many filaments? Were they like tens ... hundreds ... thousands?
It's interesting that you asked this because in that moment ...
in that moment when I was ... witnessing this experience ... of these filaments ...
getting out...
I would not say leaving [the body] ... they were breaking ...
they were ... connected ...
both in the second body and in the physical body.
But as this second body floated higher ...
this filament broke ...
and entered the second body.
And there were many ... wow ... they were ...
Only later I realized the amount ... it was so big ...
because at the moment I was trying to analyze the situation ...
I was amazed by that situation ...
I had never experienced that ...
I had never experienced anything so surreal ... unreal.
When you say "big" I can imagine ...
I know it's a subjective idea but ... thousands?
Thousands? Hundreds?
Thousands ... thousands ... and all of them ...
all those thousands of filaments .. they always went to a main filament.
That's why I say they resemble the nervous system a lot.
How is that ... they went to a main filament ... in the physical body or in the second body?
In the second.
What is the main filament?
At that moment I did not know what it was ... I could not explain.
I came to this conclusion because afterwards I looked ... I went to look ...
I went to search some magazines ...
and in a library I got some material on anatomy ...
and I remember seeing the drawing of a nervous system ... of the human body ...
the design of a nervous system of the human body...
and ... wow ... when I looked ... I had really goose bumps because it was exactly the same.
You mean it's like the filament left a nervous system in the second body ...
and went to a nervous system in the physical body ...
and was there a connection between these two nervous systems?
It is as if each body had a nervous system and they are interconnected.
At separation these filaments ruptured.
On the way back they reconnected ...
even faster.
When you came back, you went to sleep,
and the next day you were fine, and you did not even need to go to the hospital?
Interesting, I did not wake up well ... I I slept more than 12 hours.
I woke up almost 5 or 6 o'clock in the afternoon.
I think it was twelve hours [of sleep] ...
because I remember looking at my bedside clock...
and it was 5 A.M. [before I went to sleep].
That's when the pain started to subside.
The pain subsided and I could think.
When the pain subsided, I was able to think.
I resumed ... I recovered the movement of my hands ...
even if still irregularly.
Did you go to the hospital? Or not?
No ... I did not go to the hospital ... I did not go to the hospital ...
because when I felt this pain relief ...
I felt sleepy...
I felt a very deep sleep.
But it was a real physical sleep ...
it was a sleep
I felt the pain ... my legs were tired ...
as if I had run a marathon.
And then I felt this sleep ...
and I fell into this sleep, I surrendered myself to this sleep.
It is interesting that this sleep ...
In this sleep I do not remember dreaming at all.
But I remember being conscious ...
in a vacuum...
in a place ... as if it were in another dimension ... I would say.
But I could not see anything ... I could not move anything.
I had no access to any visual ... or tactile information ... in any order.
When I saw myself ... in this emptiness ...
I woke up...
and when I woke up...
I picked up the clock again and it had already been about 12 hours ... it was 5 P.M..
I slept practically all day ...
and no one who entered the house noticed anything.
No one realized what I had done ...
nobody saw the stuff I brought home.
I stayed in my room for 12 hours and I woke up in pain ...
but I managed to get up...
I remember having taken a shower ... a good shower ... and it was very refreshing ...
very relieving ...
but the memory of the experience was in my head.
it repeated itself like a loop ...
very quick...
everything I experienced there ... in the near-death experience ...
I did not even know the term at the time ... I did not know what that was ...
everything returned ... and kept coming back ...
you know ... I would close my eyes ... and I would see myself in that place.
I knew I was not there but I saw myself ... I had the feeling ...
I knew I was in my physical body but when I closed my eyes I saw ...
the things I had seen.
From then on ... and before the second NDE, which was totally different ...
has your life changed ...? How did all this change the way you understand life ...?
and another question ... do you feel ...
that there is still some kind of communication between you and this other level of reality?
Yes, my life has changed a lot ... a lot because ...
the remorse ... it stayed ... it remained ... it stayed in me for ...
approximately ... 15 days ... two weeks...
I felt a lot of remorse ... a lot of shame ... from myself ... from what I had done.
And that was nothing instilled in me.
No ... it was something of mine.
I realized...
the gravity of the act I had practiced.
I ... yes ... I really have changed ... as a person and ... my view of life has changed.
For example I had a religious education ...
what they told me about hell and heaven ...
I stopped believing everything that I was taught ...
because I went through an experience that did not fit into any of the religions that I attended.
There was no correlation ... I could not correlate ...
what religions have professed me and what I have experienced.
So I went ... I did not turn up atheist ... but I started a search.
I started a search for explanations.
At that time I did not know that I was in a spiritual quest ...
but that's when that spiritual... no...spiritualist quest began ...
I think that would be the correct word [spiritualist].
In any way, has this gate remained open?
Have you felt at some points in your life ...
a communication with that side ... any messages coming?
Yes, yes, I felt his presence several times after that experience.
It was as if he were, for example, here by my side ...
just like my friend is here now.
But it was sporadic ... I never knew when it would happen.
Usually it was in situations where I was depressed ...
or too anxious.
I felt his presence...
and it calmed me down.
it calmed me down.
Let's talk about the second experience.
How many years later did it happen?
I know it was in an accident ... on a motorcycle ...
in a totally different situation.
When did it happen ... ten years later ... something like that?
Exactly ... that's how I told you.
In the third and last part of the Rubem interview ...
he will tell us about his second NDE ...
which happened 10 years later ... in an accident.
It is very interesting because there are many differences and similarities between the two NDEs.
You've gotta watch.
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