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Today we will know the NDE of Carlos Roberto,
who was riding his motorcycle at high speed,
when he lost control and crashed head-on into a wall.
In that accident, he lost sight of both eyes.
He was fourteen days in a coma,
and during this time he went through his near-death experience.
Although already blind, Carlos Roberto saw everything during the NDE.
Mysteries.
With you, Carlos Roberto.
Carlos Roberto, good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
Thank you for sharing with us your story.
I would like you to tell us your name, your occupation or ...
your profession, please.
My name is Roberto Carlos Alexandre...
currently, I am a student,
I'm taking a law degree,
at UNIP University.
At this moment I'm retired for disability.
I'd like you to tell us what happened to you ...
and how was your near-death experience.
In fact, I suffered an attempted assault,
in 2013.
On January first of 2013.
I was giving a ride to my son, on the motorcycle, I was riding the bike,
in order to take him to Paulista Avenue, where is his office,
and then...
we were approached by robbers...
it is logical that ...
the right thing to do was not to react, but I ...
I reacted ... I ran away ... I tried to run away ...
with my son on the back ...
and the robbers fired,
with firearms ... in the middle of traffic ...
and...
a car got in my way...
and I lost control of my motorcycle at a very high speed,
and I hit ... a wall,
where I was ...
rescued ... after a while,
and taken... to a hospital,
where I was induced to a coma,
and where I went through several surgeries.
I was fourteen days in a coma.
And my near-death experience ...
I mean ...
I had one...
before I came back from the coma, actually ... I think it was before I came back from the coma ...
I can remember it to this day ...
the experience, I was ...
on a grassy hill... a green hill ...
the sky was low, and very blue ...
so to speak, in quotes, it was a very beautiful day ...
I was... under a beach tent ...
and I was saying ... that I wanted to go back ...
"I need to go back", "I need to go back" ...
and then a couple came to me ...
a couple that...
conveyed peace ... they were really gleaming ...
both dressing white clothes ...
and then the man, only him, spoke to me:
"Calm down."
"We're going to take you back."
That's what I remember.
And I think that's when I came back from coma.
Later I learned that I had been fourteen days in a coma.
I think in that moment I came back,
I came back choppy,
not knowing where I was,
and I did not know anything about having lost the vision.
Everything was dark.
That's my story.
Why did you lose the vision?
What they told me is that ...
the doctors told me that the visor of the helmet ... pierced my left eye,
and with the impact ...
the retina of my right eye was completely taken off.
I went through several surgeries ...
At the time of the accident they wanted even to ... take off my eyes ...
but my family did not authorize.
I can still, with my right eye,
see light,
flashes,
I see flashes ... I know when it is day, when it is night ...
Interesting ... then you probably lost your sight at the time of the impact.
Yes, yes.
After that, however, during the Near-Death Experience ...
you could perfectly see the hill, the lawn ...
Certainly.
How is it ... you talked about a ...
beach tent, how was it?
Yes ... what I saw there was a tent, that kind of white beach tent ...
and I was under that tent ...
Are we speaking about those four columns tents?
That's it, four columns, it was high,
and I was underneath it ...
I was on a stretcher or a bed, I do not know really what it was ...
Were you lying down?
I was lying.
Were you covered?
No, I was not.
Could you see your own body?
Yes. I could see my body lying but I could not move, I could not get up.
And did you realize that at this moment you were somewhere else?
Yes, because I saw that very blue sky, very low sky...
a grassy, green hill ...
Asking in more detail ...
Was it a supernatural place, out of here?
Did you have this perception?
I did not have this perception because ...
I think I had... because the sky was much lower than normal.
But the hill was normal ... green ...
But the sky ... very low.
It is interesting that you say "very low sky"
what does it mean ... the sky ... you look at the sky ... what means a low sky?
That's the question ...
it seemed it was within reach of my hand,
for example, within my arm's reach.
When you look at the sky,
you see the sky but you see it at that normal distance,
and when I was there, what I was seeing seemed to be normal ...
it seemed to be very low, it seemed easy to be reached.
And these two people who arrived ...
did you recognize them from somewhere?
No, not at all.
How were they like? Could you see their faces?
Interestingly ...
I could see their faces ...
their bodies, normally, with a very bright white clothing,
but only the guy spoke to me.
He just answered ...
to what I was talking about,
to what I was asking because I wanted to return, I was wondering ...
and he just replied:
"Calm down, we're going to take you back."
And did you listen to it as I am listening to you now or ...
Easily.
or was a phrase that came ...
No, no.
at once?
The voice was very soft but it came at once ... get it?
But did you hear the phrase being said?
Yes, surely.
So, you could see this hill ... that was green ...
I could see the hill.
this tent, the sky ... and anything out of it?
No ... no ... only that.
what about sound?
No, there was no sound ... it was quiet ... peaceful ...
Totally, nothing of sound.
What did you feel?
Peace.
A feeling ... very much so ...
of peace ... a peace .. tremendous ... it had no birds ...
Good sensation?
Good, very good. No birds,
No noise ... nothing ... nothing.
It is something like ...
But you still wanted to come back.
- Yes. - Were you connected with your family?
With my family, so much that I said, I remember that I said:
"I need to go back, my children are there, they need me."
Regarding the sense of time ...
I did not have the perception of time.
It was like I said ...
After I had rehabilitated myself a bit ...
Imagine ... fourteen days in a coma.
Some people who undergo a near-death experience comment that ...
the time seemed slower, or faster, did you have any kind of perception about it? ...
The feeling I had is that the time had stopped ... it had stopped.
The time had stopped?
The time stopped. I could not feel it going by.
It stopped.It stabilized there.
But did you have a feeling of a stopped time?
Yes. Stopped. And there was no wind either ...
I do not know...
I do not understand, really.
Many say that it could be a dream ... but I say no, it was not a dream.
Well, this is a question we always ask:
Why do you think this was not a dream? Please explain to us.
I don't know how to explain to you why it was not a dream ...
I do not know... well, I think a dream is a very quick thing, is not it?
You go to sleep, you dream, you wake up ...
but this time it seemed not to be a dream, it seems to be very real.
It was real.
Scenes of the past, of your life?
No, no.
Wasn't there a tunnel? ...
No, no, no.
You didn't arrive somewhere?
No, no.
Any sense of limit? As for example "I can not go beyond here, if I go, I will not come back"?
I did not know where I was, right?
(I thought) "where am I?"
Did not you realize the moment you returned?
Or simply at one moment you were there ...
and the other you were back?
Exactly. I think at that moment,
when I met this couple,
when the couple came to me,
I think after that moment I came back from coma.
My impression was that ... when he said "calm down, we're going to take you back,"
because I was very agitated,
I think that's... when I came back.
At that moment you say you were feeling ... peace ...
does it have anything to do with a sense of ...
connection to the universe?
or connection to the whole?
Or not? Or was it just peace?
It was just peace. Honestly, it was a great peace.
I do not know what it is ... if it is an entry, if it is a ...
but there is peace.
It could be an entrance to some place, I don't know ...
About that couple, I already asked but I don't remember the answer ...
Did you see their faces?
Yes, yes.
How were they like?
I do not remember her so much ...
I know ... that they were... white,
they had white skin ...
the clothes were very white ...
like a bright ... light ...
very shiny ...
but I can not...
detail...
The face?
The face I am not able to detail ...
Then you came back, right?
I think that's when I came back from coma.
Exactly at that moment.
And did you tell about this experience, right after, to someone? Or not?
Not right after.
But when I left, when I was discharged,
let's say ... after a month or two, I'm not sure,
I told this to my wife, she was the first person I told.
And she was very impressed too.
She was very impressed.
From then on I began to tell people ...
when they asked me ...
how was the accident, what I felt ...
then I told, I reported exactly what happened.
I can not forget it.
Until today.
It has been almost four years.
Did this experience ...
modify in some way ...
your vision about death?
Oh yes.
How?
Changed for good ... because ...
I keep thinking that ...
as I always had peace, I always had ...
God in my heart,
I think...
I think...
let's say ...
when we say that there is a heaven and a hell,
I think...
my way is the heaven.
But did the fear of death decrease?
Or it didn't change? You had no fear before?
It didn't change. I never had fear of death.
I've never been afraid.
And now...
much less now, after having ...
gone through all this.
because the doctors disillusioned me ...
They told my family, "we did what we had to do."
"Now, only God."
I use to say that I have two dates of birth,
I think I was reborn.
I think so.
It was very serious.
But then, as you said "much less now", does that mean that, in some way,
this experience was a ...
confirmation of what you will find in the future?
I think so. I think so.
Has your life changed after that ...
beyond the obvious of having lost your sight,
and it is obvious that this causes a radical change,
but with regard to the experience you have gone through,
has something changed in your essence?
I'm having a lot of dreams now,
I dream about ...
people that...
already died...
as my father...
but, yes, there is a ...
a story in which ...
during a dream I received a phone call ...
all within the dream ...
a call from a friend ...
and...
she called ...
my house.
She dialed wrong,
in fact she wanted to talk to ...
her son...
called Ricardo ...
and by then I did not know her son's name ...
and...
and I told her, I recognized her voice and said, "But wait, Domitila," her name is Domitilla,
I said...
"Don't you know who you are talking to? You are talking to Carlos, you dialed wrong."
"Oh, sorry, Carlos, I thought I was talking to my son ..."
"because his mother in law ..."
"I need to go to the funeral of his mother in law"...
Then I said: "mother in law's funeral?"
"Yes, his mother in law died, I'm late, I'm waiting for them to pick me up ..."
"And they did not show up till now ..."
It was a dream.
I told it the next day for my wife.
And I kept thinking about it.
So I called this friend ...
and told her the dream I had.
I told her: "I dreamed of you" ... and she even joked: "oh, was it a good dream?" and I answered, "well ..."
"it was not so good."
"I dreamed you mistakenly called me here..."
"and your son's mother in law had died."
She said: "that's it."
"Exactly. It's been seven days since she passed away."
I did not know.
Did you have this kind of thing before?
No, not at all. No, no.
So, someway, something changed?
Yes, something has changed.
Carlos, did you previously know about near-death experience, did you know what was that?
I already knew the story ...
of a former brother in law of my wife.
He told me that ...
He had gone through an NDE ...
In fact his NDE was very strange ...
because he was ... I do not know what was his situation ...
the pathology he had ...
but he stayed two months in a coma.
He also says that he returned from the coma ...
after the NDE,
He says that he was crossing a bridge ...
a wooden bridge ... made of rope and wood ...
and this bridge was breaking all ...
and underneath there were many larvae ...
larvae, so to speak ...
and there were hands and arms, trying to pull him down.
Then I told my experience to him and said, "wow ..."
"my experience was very different from yours."
He returned from his coma at that moment.
Did you know about his story after you had your NDE?
Before.
Oh, you already knew it?
Yes, it was before, and then talking to him again,
I told him my NDE and he told me again his NDE,
and then I thought, "wow, that is very strange."
What is the understanding you have about all this today?
As for what happened to you, about your going there ...
What is the meaning of living, today, for you?
How does this near-death experience fits your understanding of life?
What is your mission?
What do you think of all this?
My wife didn't want me to leave ...
to give this ride to my son ...
she said it was too early, we had just passed by December 31st ...
We had arrived home at dawn, we not even had slept well ...
and she said, "he can call a cab..."
Then I said, "No, by motorcycle is faster ... and I'm here ..."
So ... it looks like, someway, she already ... you know when you think it looks like that's a warning?
And you can not understand it?
I just couldn't understand it.
And I went.
I did all this.
So today I give more value to simple details ...
It seems like I'm beginning to realize the details ...
I give more value to life ...
A lot more.
Not that I did not give before.
I always gave value to life, ...
to faith, to God ...
but is different.
It looks like you came from another world or you renewed yourself ...
as you went to that world ...
when you return, you return renewed, I think.
This experience adds to your life, right?
That is, you lived everything you lived here, plus what you lived there, at that moment.
Your understanding of life ...
was it extended?
How do you fit this near-death experience in life?
And those people, who were those people?
How can they have this power of speaking to you: "calm down, we're going to take you back ..."
What is the understanding you have about all this?
Look, honestly, ...
my understanding is vague.
I do not know...
Sometimes I wonder ...
were they angels?
It was as if they were angels ... bringing me back ...
It looks like I have to accomplish something here.
I still have something to accomplish ....
in Earth.
That's how I understand.
Were you religious?
Yes.
Non-practicing, but Catholic.
And...
in a way, did your experience correspond to something you imagined could happen in this situation?
Was it different? How was it?
No, no. It was different.
I never imagined that this could happen ...
I do not know...
I don't know if it is really what it is, I don't know if it is the way it is ...
the passage from this life to another life ...
I believe there is another life.
So I think this experience happened to show me ...
and I tell everyone that, yes, there is another life ...
I was not able to see how it really is ...
because I didn't go, I didn't pass away ...
but almost.
You said that you dream a lot, right?
Yes.
And in your dreams do you have normal vision?
Yes. I never ...
I never had a dream in which I couldn't see.
I always saw, I always saw people ...
even people who were already dead, like my father ...
and also others, such as friends ...
I can see, talk ...
and this is something that my mother said she was never able to do.
that is, to dream about my father, who has been dead for over twenty years ...
Carlos, to conclude, I would like to ask you some questions,
in fact we've already talked about almost all this I'm going to ask.
But they are questions that are part of a protocol of an American physician named Bruce Greyson.
It is a protocol that is used worldwide in this research on near-death experience.
So, for each question, you can answer, let's say, "no", "yes" or "very much".
Okay.
The first question:
During the NDE, did time seemed to have passed faster or slower?
Slower, I think.
- Slower? - It semmed stopped.
- Stopped? - Stopped.
Did your thoughts get faster?
No.
Did you see scenes from your past?
At that moment, no.
Suddenly, did it seem that you could understand everything? ...
or did you have a sensation of understanding that you do not know where did it come from?
No. It was incomprehensible.
Did you feel peace?
Yes.
Peace, yes. Certainly.
A feeling of joy?
No.
No, not joy. I was very scared ...
but I was in a very calm place.
But I ... I didn't have a sense of joy.
Did you have a sense of harmony or unity with the universe?
Yes, of harmony.
Did you find yourself surrounded by a bright light?
At the moment I saw the couple, yes.
The light came from them?
It came from them.
Your senses seemed to be sharper than usual?
No.
They seemed to be normal.
Were you aware of things happening in other places?
While you were there?
Yes.
You were under that tent ...
Yes.
At that moment did you have the feeling of being aware of what was going on, for example,
at the crash site?
No.
At the crash site, no.
I was well aware of what was happening at that time.
Of what was going on there ...
In that place, in that moment.
I was not aware that I had suffered an accident.
Scenes of the future appeared to you?
No.
Did you feel separated from your physical body?
No. No.
It looked like I was normally there, with the body, the soul, everything normal.
And you not even knew you had lost sight?
I didn't know I had lost the vision, I was seeing normally there.
Did you have the feeling of entering into a supernatural world?
Oh yes.
Different.
Because the sky was so low.
In my opinion it was low.
A very calm ... place...
a gleaming couple like that, with that light ...
Did you feel the presence of a mystical being?
Or did you hear an unidentifiable voice?
No.
Those people you saw looked normal, right?
They seemed to be normal.
Only they were very bright?
Yes. Luminous.
And the light came from them or from their clothes? I have this doubt.
I do not know.
But I think that...
the light was on them.
That's why, I think,
it lit up like that.
I do not know if it was on them or if it came from them ...
What I know ... is that it was very bright.
Finally, did you feel the existence of some frontier, at any point ...
like "look, I can't go beyond here"?
Yes.
Yes, and besides that I couldn't move.
I was lying there but I could see.
And I saw that sky, that infinite hill ...
But did you have a feeling that there was a barrier?
Like a limit?
Yes.
I think that place was the limit. I think that place was a limit.
From there or I would go to another world ...
or...
I would return as I did.
I think that place was the limit.
And the last question, whose answer I also know, but it is in the questionnaire ...
Have you seen any religious leader?
No.
Some mystical figure?
No. Only the couple, which I thought it was very ...
it was different.
And this couple looked like a normal couple, right?
Yes, they seemed...
normal, but I had that feeling:
are they angels?
I don't know.
After all this, what would you like to tell people?
Like a message to the world.
I wanted people to be more conscious,
and more human because...
here on Earth, let's say ...
it is quite different.
But if the person is in a near-death experience...
or if it is the moment for that person to pass away,
At that moment he or she will understand.
He or she is going to realize everything he or she has done, everything he or she would like to have done ...
so I think ...
we must live, live well, live in harmony, while here,
in peace,
I think that's it ... I'm a little shy ...
But you spoke beautifully.
Thank you so much again.
I thank you.
Calm down.
We're going to take you back.
That was the phrase that Carlos Roberto listened to.
Do you realize how frequently occurs this kind of phrase during the NDEs?
Phrases like:
"You will return."
"It is not your time."
"You still have something to do there."
More mysteries.
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