COMING UP ON "NEED TO KNOW"....AS SENSELESS ACTS OF
VIOLENCE RIP THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTRY,
ROCHESTER-AREA RELIGIOUS LEADERS COME TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THE
CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME.
ALSO ON THE SHOW - SOME STATES SAW A SURGE OF WOMEN RUNNING FOR
POLITICAL OFFICE THIS ELECTION SEASON,
BUT THERE'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT GENDER GAP.
THE REASONS MORE WOMEN AREN'T RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WHAT CAN
BE DONE TO HELP CHANGE THAT....LATER ON THE SHOW.
AND WHY A WELL-KNOWN NAME IN EDUCATION CIRCLES IN ROCHESTER
WANTS KIDS TO RE-THINK WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A HERO.
STAY WITH US, "NEED TO KNOW" STARTS RIGHT NOW....
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DEADLY AND DESTRUCTIVE HURRICANES. SHOOTINGS IN
CHURCHES, ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND AT MUSIC CONCERTS.
ACTS OF TERRORISM FROM THE STREETS OF NEW YORK CITY TO A
MOSQUE IN MINNESOTA.
ANTI-SEMITIC THREATS ON JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTERS AND HATE
MARCHES AT SYNAGOGUES.
AND TO THINK...THESE DON'T EVEN SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF THE
TRAGIC INCIDENTS THAT CONTINUE TO SHAKE OUR NATION.
AT A TIME WHEN MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTRY FEEL
HELPLESS AND HOPELESS - ROCHESTER AREA RELIGIOUS LEADERS
ARE COMING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THE CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME AND
TO OFFER A SENSE OF HOPE AT A MOMENT WHEN SOME SAY IT'S NEEDED
MOST.
JOINING ME AT THE DESK TONIGHT IS: THE REVEREND MARVIN MCMICKLE
- PRESIDENT OF COLGATE ROCHESTER CROZIER DIVINITY SCHOOL,
SAREER FAZILI - PRESIDENT OF THE ISLAMIC CENTER OF ROCHESTER,
AND RABBI PETER STEIN - SENIOR RABBI OF TEMPLE BRITH KODESH.
WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW....
HELENE: SO WHEN SENSELESS ACTS OF VIOLENCE STRIKE AS WE SEE SO
OFTEN IN THE NEWS TODAY HOW DO YOU PROCESS THESE HORRIFIC ACTS
AND HOW DO YOU SHARE A MESSAGE BRING HOPE DISCUSS THEM WITH
YOUR STUDENTS, MEMBERS OF YOUR RESPECTIVE HOUSES OF WORSHIP,
AND THE COMMUNITY AND ILL GIVE THIS TO YOU FIRST MARVIN.
REVEREND MARVIN MCMICKLE: WELL I THINK THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE
TO DO IS GIVE OFF THE RESOLVE TO KEEP LIVING TO NOT GIVE IN TO BE
FRIGHTENED TO NOT BE TERRORIZED I THIN K IN A SENSE THAT'S WHAT
PERSONS ARE HOPING TO DO TO DRIVE YOU OUT OF YOUR NORM TO
MAKE YOU FEEL UNCERTAIN ABOUT YOUR DAILY LIFE AND SO THE IDEA
THAT A PLACE LIKE NEW YORK OR LAS VEGAS OR ANY PLACE ELSE
WHERE THESE EVENTS TAKE PLACE THAT FOLKS JUST DECIDE THE NEXT
DAY I'M GOING TO GO ON WITH MY LIFE,
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE IN TO FEAR AND TERROR.
NOW OF COURSE IT WOULD HELP IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO REIGN IN
THE MEANS BY WHICH SO MUCH OF THIS VIOLENCE OCCURS.
A MA D MAN WITH A KNIFE IS ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT THAN A MAD
MAN WITH AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE AND A BOOK THAT HOLDS ONE HUNDRED
BULLETS.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLICATED QUESTION.
RABBI PETER STEIN: I THINK MARVIN YOU'VE GIVEN US A VERY
GOOD INTRODUCTION WHICH IS WE HAVE TO BEGIN A RESPONSE WITH
COMFORT WITH CREATING A SENSE OF RESILIENCE THAT WE CAN GO ON
THAT WE CAN WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND DO OUR PIECE BUT I
THINK...
YOU BEGAN WITH THE WORD SENSELESS AND I THINK THAT TO ME
IS REALLY CRITICAL IS THAT OUR RESPONSE HAS TO REALLY BE TWO
FOLD ONE IS OFFERING COMFORT AND CONSOLATION AND PRAYING FOR
PEACE IF THAT'S OUR TRADITION BUT WE CAN'T JUST REST ON THAT
WE HAVE TO RESPOND BY MAKING CHANGES IN THE WORLD AROUND US
AND WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN MADE VIOLENCE IT IS VERY
DIFFERENT THAN RESPONDING TO A HURRICANE OR SOME OTHER NATURAL
EVENT.
SAREER FAZILI: WE TRY TO GIVE OUR COMMUNITY A SENSE OF AN IDEA
THAT THAT IS SOMETHING...
THAT WE HAVE TO TRUST IN THE SYSTEM WE HAVE TO TRUST THE
PROCESS WHATEVER IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT
IT HAS ANY RELIGIOUS MOTIVATION WE FIND IN FACT THAT IT IS
MOSTLY MISGUIDED AND ILL-EDUCATED THAT ARE ENGAGING
IN THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
WE TRY TO INSTILL IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE A PART
OF A BROADER COMMUNITY IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT RELIGION WE FOLLOW OR
A FOCUS ON THAT ITS MORE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS GETTING THE
COMMUNITY ACTIVE GETTING THEM INVOLVED IN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST
THESE THINGS AT A LARGE SCALE WE TRY NOT TO BE INSULAR AND WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITIES UNDERSTAND NOT JUST
THE FAITH COMMUNITIES BUT OUTSIDE THAT EVERYONE IS BEING
AFFECTED BY THIS IT'S NOT JUST THE MUSLIMS, THE JEWS,
WHOEVER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS AFFECTING US BECAUSE PEOPLE
ARE WATCHING US AND SEEING THE RESPONSE THAT WE ARE GOING TO
GIVE ALMOST LIKE WE ARE BEING INCITED TO DO THINGS OR SAY
THINGS THAT ARE OTHERWISE INAPPROPRIATE.
WE WILL NOT DO THAT.
AND THE BEST THING THAT COMES OUT OF THESE THINGS IS THE
ABILITY FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AND EDUCATE NOT JUST OURSELVES
BUT EVERYBODY ELSE AS TO WHERE WE STAND AND HOW WE STAND AND
HOW WE ARE STANDING TOGETHER.
HELENE: TO SLIGHTLY FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WHEN PEOPLE...
WE HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE MISUSING RELIGIOUS TEXT WHETHER IT BE
FROM THE BIBLE OR THE QURAN AND THEY...
IN RELATION TO ANTISEMITISM TERRORIST ACTS THAT KIND OF THING.
HOW THEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS HOW THEN DO YOU FEEL IT'S NECESSARY
TO RESPOND.
RABBI STEIN: SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE CRITICAL
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE AS RELIGIOUS LEADERS.
WHICH IS WHEN SOMEONE MAKES AN ACT OF VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF
WHICHEVER RELIGION WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT IS NOT
WHAT THE RELIGION IS ABOUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE RELIGIOUS TEXTS
OF OUR TRADITIONS HAVE TO SAY AND THAT COMES FROM I THINK TWO
PLACES ONE IS TEACHING AND MODELING FROM OUR OWN FAITH
TRADITION BUT THE OTHER IS ALSO DEMONSTRATING FRIENDSHIP AND
ALLIED SHIP WITH PEOPLE FROM OTHER RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS THAT
IN ROCHESTER WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THESE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN
OUR RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SAY THAT IF AN
ACT COMES IN THE NAME OF WHICHEVER TRADITION WE CAN STEP
IN AND SAY THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS WE KNOW THESE PEOPLE WE KNOW
THEIR TRADITIONS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR RELIGION IS ABOUT ANY
MORE THAN IT WHAT OUR OWN RELIGION IS ABOUT.
REVEREND MCMICKLE: SO AS A CASE AND POINT WHY THE PRESIDENT OF
COLGATE DIVINITY SCHOOL PETER STEIN TEACHES FOR US IN THE AREA
OF JEWISH STUDIES, WE ALSO HAVE PERSONS FROM THE MUSLIM FAITH
WHO TEACH ON OUR FACULTY SO THE IDEA THAT WE ARE MODELING A KIND OF A
WORLD COMMUNITY OF RELIGIOUS LIFE FOR OUR STUDENTS FOR OUR
FACULTY FOR OUR STAFF AND I HOPE FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY THERE
IS A WONDERFUL VERSE IN ACTS 17 AND EVERY TIME I HEAR SOMEBODY
WHO WANTS TO ISOLATE AND SORT OF MINIMIZE A PARTICULAR GROUP
THERE IS THIS VERSE FROM THE APOSTLE PAUL,
"FROM ONE BLOOD, GOD MADE ALL NATIONS TO DWELL TOGETHER
ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH."
AND IF WE COULD JUST REMIND OURSELVES THAT ALL OF US IN THE
END ARE OF THE SAME FAMILY OF GOD AND NOT LET ANYBODY TRY TO
PUSH US APART INTO RIVALING GROUPS ONE AGAINST THE OTHER.
HELENE: I'M CURIOUS...
I SEE YOU ARE STARTING TO SAY SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW IF THIS
WILL TIE IN...BUT DO FIND YOURSELVES EMERGING,
AS NEWS BREAKS AS THINGS HAPPEN WHETHER INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE OR
SO ON, DO YOU FIND YOUR ROLES, ALL OF YOU ARE IN LEADERSHIP
POSITIONS, KIND OF EMERGING MORE IN THE POLITICAL REALM?
BECAUSE PEOPLE DO SEEK YOU FOR ADVICE AND COUNCIL DO YOU FIND
THAT THAT IS HAPPENING MORE ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT HAPPENING
MORE?
FAZILI: I THINK MY COMMUNITY I'M GOING TO SAY ESPECIALLY IF THERE
IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE PERPETRATED BY A MUSLIN IT
BECOME ISLAMIC OR MUSLIM TERRORISM.
WHEN THERE ARE ACTS OF VIOLENCE BEING PERPETRATED OSTENSIBLY OR
ALLEGEDLY IN THE NAME OF SOME OTHER RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND YOU
DON'T HEAR THAT RELIGIOUS NAME BEING USED AS THE ADJECTIVE AND
WHAT IT DOES IS IT DOES MARK US IT SCARS US A LITTLE BIT SO THAT
WHEN YOU TALK NOW ABOUT THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THINGS PEOPLE
IN OUR COMMUNITY FEEL THE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE POLITICAL
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR MESSAGE ACROSS AND THEY FEEL
THAT IF THE NARRATIVE IS BEING SPUN AGAINST US IN SO MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO START WRITING THE
NARRATIVE AND IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO TAKE TO THE STREETS GET
PEOPLE ELECTED CANVAS SHOW OUR STRENGTH MAKE PEOPLE HEAR OUR
VOICE.
IN A WAY THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING AND ITS COMING FROM
COMMUNITY THAT UNTIL NOW HAD BEEN RELATIVELY SILENT IN THE
WHOLE POLITICAL PROCESS THEY ARE IMMIGRANTS THEY ARE NOT USED TO
BEING ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR FRANCHISE IT WAS ALWAYS
EXERCISED UPON THEM.
AND NOW THEY ARE SEEING THAT THE WAY FORWARD AS I SAID EARLIER IN
TRUSTING THE SYSTEM IS USING...
USING WHAT AVAILABLE TO THEM AND MAXIMIZING THEIR NUMBERS.
HELENE: THE REVEREND MYRA BROWN OF SPIRITUS CRISTI HERE IN
ROCHESTER SHE WANTED TO JOIN US TODAY BUT SHE HAD A SCHEDULING
CONFLICT, HOWEVER SHE DID SHARE THESE WORD FOR THIS PROGRAM,
"I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE IN A TIME WHERE THE CHALLENGES OF MALE
AGGRESSION, GUN VIOLENCE, RACISM, RACIAL TENSIONS,
POVERTY AND UNRESTRAINED POCKETED MORAL OUTRAGE APPEARS
TO BE CALLING US AS A NATION AND SOCIETY TO ACT MORE BOLDLY AND
RELENTLESSLY FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE."
HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT AND IF YOU AGREE HOW DO WE MAKE
IT HAPPEN?
RABBI STEIN: SO I LOVE WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY AND WHILE I RECOGNIZE
THAT ALL OF THIS IS INHERENTLY POLITICAL I VIEW IT REALLY MORE
AS CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AS RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND RECOGNIZING THAT
WITH SO MUCH OF THE VIOLENCE THAT WE HAVE WITNESSED THAT IT
IS BEING DONE IN A RACIST WAY IN AN ANTI-MUSLIM WAY IN AN
ANTI-IMMIGRANT WAY SO THE BEHAVIOR THAT I HOPE TO MODEL AS
A RELIGIOUS LEADER IS TO SAY THAT MY RELIGIOUS TRADITION AND
MY LEADERSHIP ROLES AS A RABBI IN THE COMMUNITY IS TO SAY THAT
WE SPEAK FOR IMMIGRANT WE SPEAK FOR THOSE OF OTHER RACIAL
IDENTITIES WE BUILD FRIENDSHIP AND CLOSENESS BETWEEN THE MUSLIM
COMMUNITY AND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN COMBAT
THOSE TERRIBLE ADJECTIVES AS SAREER SAID THOSE ADJECTIVE THAT
ARE USED SO QUICKLY BUT REALLY DON'T MAKE SENSE IN MY MIND.
REVEREND MCMICKLE: MYRA'S COMMENT REMINDED ME,
PARDON ME FOR THE USE OF THIS GREEK WORD, PARRHESIA,
WHICH WHICH TRANSLATES INTO BOLD SPEECH.
AND THAT WHAT I THINK WE NEED ARE PERSONS OF MORALE CONVICTION
WHO ARE PREPARED TO ENGAGE IN BOLD SPEECH.
AND THAT'S THE SAME WORD THAT WAS USED CONCERNING SOCRATES,
HE SAID THE REASON THE PEOPLE OF ATHENS WERE AGAINST HIM WAS
BECAUSE HE WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK BOLDLY ABOUT WHAT HE BELIEVED TO
BE TRUE.
AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE ALL SAYING IS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE
ARE PREPARED TO SPEAK BOLDLY ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW TO
BE TRUE, BELIEVE TO BE TRUE AND AGAINST THE THINGS THAT WE
BELIEVE TO BE FALSE AND UNGODLY.
MYRA'S POINT IS EXACTLY THAT.
SOMEBODY HAS TO STAND UP SPEAK OUT BOLDLY AND IT ALSO COMES
WITH A SENSE OF WITHOUT A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN ABOUT THE
CONSEQUENCES TO YOURSELF FOR WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID.
IF YOU ARE AFRAID TO SPEAK YOU WILL ALWAYS HEDGE YOUR BET.
SAREER: IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PRETTY
TARGETED FOCUS ISSUES OR ATTACKS ON THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY
INTERNATIONALLY AS WELL AS DOMESTICALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY
AND EVEN IN ROCHESTER WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO ASK THE
INTERFAITH COMMUNITY SPRANG UP AS A SHIELD TO SAY,
"NOT WITH THIS GROUP" BEFORE THE MUSLIMS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK
THE INTERFAITH COMMUNITY TOOK TWO STEPS FORWARD AND SAID,
"WE GOT THIS."
HER WORDS, IRONICALLY I THINK WERE PUT INTO ACTION AT LEAST A
YEAR AGO IF NOT A LITTLE LONGER AT THE TIME OF THE ELECTION WE
SEE VERY BOLD STATEMENTS COMING FROM OUR FRIENDS OUR NEIGHBORS
OUR WELL-WISHERS WE IN TURN WILL MAKE BOLD STATEMENTS IN SUPPORT
OF SIMPLY WHAT'S RIGHT.
WHEN PEOPLE WERE DESECRATING JEWISH CEMETERIES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY I TOOK A STEP I CALLED A COUPLE OF MY FRIENDS IN THE
PRESS THEY SAID, "HOW DOES THIS EFFECT YOU?"
I SAID IT MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTS ME THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS THIS
ISN'T EVEN SOMETHING ABOUT AN ACT OF VIOLENCE THIS IS THE
BASIC OF THE BASE AND SOMEBODY HAS NOT LEARNED FROM A VERY
EARLY AGE HOW TO BE A NORMAL REGULAR NICE HUMAN BEING WE'RE
NOT GOING TO ALLOW THIS, AND WE TOOK THE STEP!
HELENE: WELL UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL HAVE TO CLOSE FOR NOW TIME
GOES BY WAY TO QUICKLY BUT THIS WAS CERTAINLY A MUCH NEED AND
APPRECIATED CONVERSATION SO THANKYOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR
TIME AND FOR WEIGHING IN ON THIS DISCUSSION.
(HELENE) ANOTHER ELECTION SEASON HAS COME AND GONE.
WHILE NATIONAL MEDIA OUTLETS REPORT THAT A QUOTE "SURGE" OF
WOMEN RAN FOR OFFICE IN MAJOR RACES SINCE LAST YEAR'S
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, THE GENDER GAP IN POLITICS REMAINS.
AND SO WE HAVE TO ASK - "WHERE ARE THE WOMEN?"
THAT QUESTION WAS THE TITLE OF AN ARTICLE WRITTEN AND
RESEARCHED BY W-X-X-I'S TIANNA MANON FOR CITY NEWSPAPER.
IT'S A QUESTION SURROUNDED BY A NUMBER OF ISSUES - SOME OF WHICH
MY GUESTS WILL ADDRESS TONIGHT.
JOINING ME AT THE DESK IS: DENA LEVY - ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF
POLITICAL SCIENCE & INTERNATIONAL STUDIES AT THE
COLLEGE AT BROCKPORT, RUTH SCOTT - THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE
ROCHESTER CITY COUNCIL AND THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN
ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND W-X-X-I REPORTER - TIANNA MANON.
WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
(WOMEN) THANK YOU.
(HELENE) SO TIANNA FROM YOUR ARTICLE COVERING SPECIFICALLY A
FOCUS ON MONROE COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND POLITICAL
CANDIDATES TO THE NATIONAL NEWS OUTLETS LOOKING AT FROM MORE OF
THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE AS A WHOLE WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN
RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
I HAVE SEEN ARTICLES AND QUESTIONS RAISED MORE NOW THAN
IT HAS SEEMED EVER BEFORE ABOUT THIS QUESTION THAT YOU POSE
"WHERE ARE THE WOMEN?"
DENA I AM POINTING TO YOU BECAUSE I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THIS FIRST.
WHY ARE HEARING MORE ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS?
WHY ARE PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT THIS MORE?
(DENA) WELL I SUSPECT IT HAS TO DO A LOT WITH HILLARY CLINTON'S
CAMPAIGN AND THE FACT THAT WE CAME VERY CLOSE TO SEEING A
WOMEN BECOME PRESIDENT AND WE STILL HAVEN'T.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT BUT POLITICAL SCIENTISTS HAVE
BEEN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS FOR QUITE A WHILE.
IT'S NOT YOU KNOW BRAND NEW TO US BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ALL
THE ANSWERS AND WE STILL KEEP ON DREAMING WHERE ARE THE WOMEN AND
WHY AREN'T MORE RUNNING FOR OFFICE?
(HELENE) WELL RUTH I AM GOING TO GO TO YOU NEXT BECAUSE I WANT TO
HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR BACK STORY AND WHAT PROPELLED
YOU TO FIRST RUN.
BUT I WANT TO GO TO, THERE WAS A NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE FEATURING
AN INTERVIEW WITH SENATOR KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND AND THE
HEADLINE THE PROBLEM WITH WOMEN IS NOT WINNING,
ITS DECIDING TO RUN.
AND GILLIBRAND HAS TALKED ABOUT AS A CHILD SHE WANTED TO RUN BUT
IT WASN'T TILL DECADES LATER WHEN SHE SAID,
THESE WERE HER WORDS, "I HAD THE SELF-CONFIDENCE TO RUN."
SO I ASK YOU WHAT WAS IT THAT MADE YOU SAY,
YOU'RE A TRAILBLAZER, MADE YOU SAY "I AM GOING TO DO THIS"?
(RUTH) WELL I FELT LIKE I WAS HIGH JACKED TO TELL YOU THE
TRUTH.
I WASN'T PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN RUNNING.
I WAS INTERESTED IN BEING A POLICY MAKER SOME PLACE BUT
NECESSARILY AT THE POLITICAL LEVEL.
AND MIDGE COSTANZA WAS THE ONLY WOMEN IN THE ROCHESTER CITY
COUNCIL.
SHE WAS TAPPED BY CARTER TO BECOME A P ART OF HIS
ADMINISTRATION.
AND SO THE WOMEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SAID YOU SHOULD
TAKE ME TO THIS PLACE AND I SAID I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO DO
THAT AND THEY KEPT BEGGING ME, BEGGING AND THEY FINALLY SAID
GUESS WHAT WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND SEE IF
ITS HONEST?
I COULDN'T RESIST THAT CHALLENGE.
AND SO I SAID OKAY AND I WENT THROUGH IT NOT EXPECTING TO BE
CHOSEN AND YEAH IT WAS AN INTERESTING AND CHALLENGING
EVENT.
(HELENE) ANY HESITATION ALONG THE WAY IN THE PROCESS?
(RUTH) ALONG THE WAY IN THE PROCESS THERE WAS HESITATION
BECAUSE MY CONCERN WAS I REALLY WAS COMMITTED TO BEING A GOOD
MOTHER AND A GOOD WIFE.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME IS THAT MY
HUSBAND AND I DECIDED WE WOULD GO AWAY BY OURSELVES ONE WHOLE
DAY AND FACILITATE EACH OTHER AND GETTING OUT ON THE TABLE,
WHAT ARE YOUR FEARS?
WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS?
WHAT YOU KNOW HOW WOULD THIS OPERATE IN TERMS OF THE WAY OUR
LIVES ARE ORGANIZED AT THIS TIME?
AND THAT REALLY HELPED BECAUSE IT HELPED ME MAKE SOME
DECISIONS.
FOR INSTANCE I TOLD PEOPLE YOU KNOW YOU CAN CALL ME AT ANY TIME
UNLESS I'M HAVING PRAYERS WITH MY CHILDREN READING STORIES OR
AT DINNER.
(HELENE) HOLD THAT THOUGHT CAUSE I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT.
(RUTH) OKAY
(HELENE) SO TIANNA, TIMES MAGAZINE ARTICLE THAT I
REFERENCED, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY DID A STUDY AND THEY FOUND THAT
WHEN WOMEN RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE THEY ARE JUST AS LIKELY
AS MEN TO BE ELECTED.
THE MAIN REASON THEY ARE SO UNDER REPRESENTED IS THAT THEY
DON'T RUN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO YOU TALK TO ELECTED OFFICIALS THROUGHOUT MONROE COUNTY,
WHEN YOU ESSENTIALLY SAID TO THEM WHERE ARE WOMEN IN
POLITICS?
WHAT DID THEY SAY TO YOU?
(TIANNA) YOU KNOW I THINK RUTH BROUGHT UP THE PERFECT POINT.
SHE SAID I WANTED TO BE A GOOD MOTHER AND A GOOD WIFE AND IT'S
THAT DIVISION OF LABOR.
WE HAVE TO TAKE ON SO MUCH, ALREADY AT WORK EIGHT HOURS A
DAY BUT WHEN WE GO HOME WE HAVE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAN
MEN.
YOU KNOW WEATHER IT'S PUTTING DINNER ON THE TABLE,
YOU KNOW IT'S PUTTING THE KIDS TO BED.
AND OVER THE YEARS MEN HAVE DEFIANTLY STEPPED UP A LOT BUT
OVER WHELMING A LOT OF WOMEN STILL FEEL MOST OF THE BURDEN
FALLS ON THEM.
(HELENE) BUT WHY
(RUTH) MANY MEN INSIST THAT IT FALLS ON THEM.
(HELENE) I WAS GOING TO SAY WHY DO WE IN OUR SOCIETY FALL INTO
THESE ROLES?
(RUTH) BECAUSE YEAH WE STILL JUST CONDITIONED BY THE
ATTITUDES OF A LOT OF MEN, WHICH WASN'T TRUE WITH MY HUSBAND
THANK GOODNESS, WHO SAID WELL YOU KNOW YOUR PLACE YOU KNOW.
WE USED TO HAVE THIS SAYING EARLY IN THE 70'S ABOUT A WOMEN
PLACE IS IN THE HOUSE AND IN THE SENATE.
(HELENE) THAT'S WHAT MY MOM HAD A T-SHIRTS THAT SAID THAT.
(DENA) I WAS GUNNA SAY THAT I THINK KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND IS THE
ANOMALY THOUGH THAT TO SAY THAT SHE WAS ALWAYS INTERESTED IN
RUNNING FOR OFFICE IS JUST SO ATYPICAL FOR WOMEN BECAUSE WOMEN
ARE LESS FREQUENTLY TAPPED TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT IT IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
PARENTS DON'T.
IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IF YOUR MOM OR DAD WILL SAY TO YOU,
"HEY SOMEDAY YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT RUNNING FOR OFFICE."
AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AS MUCH FOR GIRLS AS IT DOES FOR BOYS.
SO KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND IS THAT ABSOLUTE ANOMALY FOR SAYING THAT
SHE WAS ALWAYS INTERESTED.
THAT'S REALLY UNIQUE AND YOU ADD THAT PLUS EVEN WITH THAT SHE
SAID SHE HAD TO GET THAT SELF-CONFIDENCE,
AND THAT'S A HUGE FACTOR TOO.
WOMEN ARE LESS LIKELY TO THINK THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED BECAUSE
THEY HAVE AN IDEA IN MIND WHAT YOU SHOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO RUN
FOR OFFICE.
WHERE THE MEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO SAY "HEY OF COURSE I CAN DO IT."
(HELENE) SO THAT BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD POINT.
WHAT, ARE THERE KEY MOMENTS THROUGHOUT ONE'S LIFE,
CHILDHOOD, HIGH SCHOOL YEAR, COLLEGE,
ETC. WHERE THOSE ARE PIVOTAL MOMENTS WHERE SOMEONE IS SAYING,
LIKE YOU MENTIONED PARENTS ENCOURAGING THEIR CHILDREN TO
RUN FOR OFFICE.
ARE THERE MOMENTS WHEN THAT ARE PIVOTAL TO KIND OF TAP INTO TO
KIND OF FURTHER PROPEL AS PERSON DOWN THAT PARTICULAR PATH?
(DENA) COLLEGE SEEMS TO BE AN IMPORTANT TIME BECAUSE THERE
AREN'T, THERE'S SOME RELATIVELY RECENT RESEARCH THAT SHOWING
THAT UP THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL THOSE DIFFERENCE AREN'T QUITE AS
LARGE EVEN THOUGH STILL PARENTS AREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT.
FRIENDS AREN'T SAYING TO GIRLS "YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT
RUNNING."
BUT THE DIFFERENCE REALLY START TO GROW ARE COLLEGE.
SO MEN IN COLLEGE ARE MORE LIKELY TO JOIN THE YOUNG
REPUBLICS OR THE YOUNG DEMOCRATS GROUP.
THINK ABOUT RUNNING FOR THEIR COLLEGE OFFICES AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
SO THAT SEEMS TO BE I THINK A MOMENT TO SAY TO WOMEN IN
COLLEGE "HEY HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT JOINING A
POLITICAL GROUP?
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING?"
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
(RUTH) WELL HAVING I ALSO THINK HAVE EXPERIENCE EVEN IN HIGH
SCHOOL WHERE YOU ARE CONSIDERED WELL YOU KNOW WELL WHY DON'T YOU
BE PRESIDENT?
OR WHY DON'T YOU BE VICE PRESIDENT OR WHATEVER THE ROLE
IS AND RUNNING FOR THOSE OFFICES CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DID.
I WAS ALWAYS INTO SOMETHING.
I WAS IN EVERY CLUB I COULD GET INTO BECAUSE AT THE TIME I WAS
GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL NOT MANY AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN OR MEN
WERE INVOLVED IN THE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES AND I
DID ALL OF THEM BECAUSE MY FATHER HAS THIS KIND OF
ATTITUDE, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO IF YOU'RE WILLING
TO WORK FOR IT.
(TIANNA) I WOULD SAY TOO I THINK EVEN GOING FURTHER BACK TALKING
ABOUT A LOT OF POLITICAL INSTANCES BUT IN SCHOOLS CROSS
INDUSTRIES TELLING WOMEN OR ESPECIALLY YOUNG GIRLS WHEN
THEIR YOUNG YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A VOICE AND EMPOWERING THAT VOICE,
LISTENING TO THAT VOICE.
I THINK EVEN IF THEY DON'T BECOME A POLITICIAN YOU KNOW
MAYBE THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BECOME AN EDITOR IN A NEWS ROOM,
YOU KNOW A DIFFERENT CEO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW STRENGTHEN THAT VOICE.
(HELENE) NO I AGREE MY DAD USED TO SAY TO ME I WANT YOU TO RUN
FOR PRESIDENT, I NEVER BUT I WANTED TO DO JOURNALISM I SEE
AND THAT WORKED FOR ME.
ABSOLUTELY.
YOU WERE GUNNA JUMP IN DENA.
(DENA) WELL I WAS GUNNA SAY THAT I THINK ALSO THAT WOMEN NEED TO
BE TOLD THAT THEY CAN DO THIS BUT THAT THEY DO FIND OTHER
AVENUES AND SO WOMEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO THINK THAT THEY CAN
MAKE A DIFFERENCE THROUGH VOLUNTEERING WORK AND STUFF.
AND SO I THINK THEN WHAT BECOMES IMPORTANT IS FOR PARTIES AND
RECRUITERS TO WOMEN WHERE THEY'RE AT.
THEY'RE IN THE PTA'S, THEY'RE IN THE SCHOOL BOARDS,
AND THEY'RE OVER WHELMING IN THE SCHOOL BOARDS.
AND SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT YOU HAVE TO GO WHERE
THEY ARE AND SO IT'S NOT THAT WOMEN AREN'T ENGAGED OR AREN'T
ACTIVE.
THEY VOTE AT HIGHER RATES THEM MEN DO AND SO THEY ARE.
IT'S JUST THAT LEAP TO THE OFFICE TO YOU KNOW PUBLICLY
ELECTED OFFICE IS ONE THAT THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN AS MUCH AS MEN
HAVE.
(RUTH) WELL YOU KNOW JAY NEWTON SMALLS HAS THIS BOOK CALLED THE
BROAD INFLUENCE AND SHE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR THERE TO BE A CRITICAL MASS AND WHEN THAT
CRITICAL MASS COMES ABOUT LIKE 20 % OF AN ORGANIZATION,
A BOARD, A POLITICAL SITUATION THINGS CHANGE.
THE WHOLE ATTITUDE ABOUT HOW POLICY GETS MADE AND DEVELOPED
AND WHOM IT'S GOING TO HELP.
THOSE THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE WOMEN ARE AT THE TABLE;
THEY DON'T REALLY HAPPEN WITH MEN.
(HELENE) TIANNA WHEN YOU TALKED TO ELECTED OFFICIALS HERE
LOCALLY WHAT DID THEY SAY NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ENCOURAGE MORE
WOMEN TO RUN, WEATHER PRACTICAL STEPS, ACTION STEPS,
AND I'M TALKING IN PARTICULAR FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT
NOW WHO MAY SAY "YOU KNOW I'VE HAD THAT FEELING THAT NUDGE.
HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING IT?"
DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE?
(TIANNA) I THINK THAT BEST ADVICE I HEARD WAS JUST TO GET
INVOLVED AND WE WERE SAYING WOMEN DO GET INVOLVED IN THESE
OTHER LEVELS.
GETTING THAT EXPERIENCE UNDER YOUR BELT IN HOW TO WORK IN A
TEAM, HOW TO DELEGATE DIFFERENT THINGS,
HOW TO YOU KNOW REALLY PRESENT YOURSELF AND YOUR IDEAS AND GET
THOSE PAST.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY COOL HOW A COUPLE
OTHER LEGISLATORS SAID WE'RE KIND OF AHEAD.
YOU KNOW WE HAVE GREAT REPRESENTATION IN THE CITY,
THE COUNTY IS PRETTY GOOD.
SO I THINK IF ANYTHING KIND OF CONTINUING ALONG WHAT WE HAVE
BEEN DOING AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE TAPPING INTO
THE WOMEN WHO ARE THERE BECAUSE CLEARLY WE HAVE A GREAT POOL OF
POLITICIANS.
(HELENE) ALRIGHT WELL WE'RE OUT OF TIME - BUT A HUGE
THANK YOU TO MY GUESTS FOR SHARING YOUR INSIGHT AND
EXPERIENCES WITH US.
AND FOR REPUBLICAN WOMEN INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR
POLITICAL OFFICE, THE GROUP WINNING-FOR-WOMEN IS LAUNCHING
SOON TO SERVE AS A RESOURCE.
AND THE GROUP EMILY'S-LIST PROVIDES TRAINING AND SUPPORT
FOR DEMOCRATIC WOMEN CANDIDATES.
SO FOR MORE INFORMATION CHECK OUT THE WEBSITES ON YOUR SCREEN.
"WHO ARE YOUR HEROES AND WHAT DO THEY DO?
DO THEY EVER THINK ABOUT ME OR THINK ABOUT YOU?"
AND SO BEGINS A SERIES OF CONTEMPLATIVE QUESTIONS IN A
CHILDREN'S BOOK INTENDED TO HELP YOUNG PEOPLE REIMAGINE THE
CONCEPT OF A HERO.
IT'S APTLY TITLED "HEROES" AND IT'S WRITTEN BY ROCHESTER CITY
SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT VAN WHITE WHO EXPLAINS "REAL" HEROES
AREN'T THE ONES DONNING FLASHY CAPES.
TAKE A LOOK...
(VAN) "...ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, I CAME HERE AND READ A POEM,
I WAS THINKING ABOUT MY DAD WHO PASSED AWAY 30 YEARS AGO,
AND I READ A POEM ABOUT HEROES BECAUSE I WANTED YOUNG PEOPLE TO
KNOW THAT HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES,
THEY CAN'T FLY OVER BUILDINGS IN A SINGLE BOUND.
THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT DAY IN AND DAY OUT CARE FOR YOU, LOVE YOU,
SUPPORT YOU.
AND THAT'S THE MOTHERS, THE FATHERS, THE AUNTS AND UNCLES.
AND I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT POINT TO CHILDREN."
(CTAE) "POLICE ARE MY HEROES BECAUSE THEY HELP A LOT AROUND
THE COMMUNITY AND THEY ARREST PEOPLE WHO ARE BAD.
AND FIRE FIGHTERS TOO.
THEY TAKE OUT FIRES- AND FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICEMEN AND
AMBULANCE, BECAUSE ONCE MY MOTHER HAD AN ASTHMA ATTACK AND
THEY HELPED HER A LOT."
(JAI) "MY HEROES WOULD HAVE TO BE MY MOTHER AND FATHER,
THEY REALLY LOOK OUT FOR ME, THEY DO EVERYTHING FOR ME AND
THEY SAVE THE DAY WHEN I NEED SAVING."
(BISHOP) "MY HEROES ARE MY SISTER AND MY BROTHER IN LAW.
MY SISTER IS BRITTANY..SHE TREATS ME NICELY AND I LOVE HER
AND SHE HAS RESPECT FOR EVERYONE AND ELDERS.
AND THAT'S WHY SHE'S MY HERO."
(VAN) ... I THINK WE'RE TOLD THROUGH TV AND MOVIES WHAT A
HERO IS.
IRONICALLY, IF WE TURNED AWAY FROM THE TELEVISION SET,
AND IT'S HARD TO GET KIDS TO DO THAT NOWADAYS,
WE WOULD SEE THAT THE HERO IS SITTING IN THE ARMCHAIR,
THE HERO IS IN THE KITCHEN, THE HERO IS DOING THE LAUNDRY,
AND THAT'S MOM OR DAD, YOUR AUNT, YOUR UNCLE,
YOUR GODMOTHER, THEY'RE ALL AROUND US."
(ADNILEM) "I THINK THAT THERE'S NO WRONG LOOKING UP TO A
CELEBRITY BECAUSE THEY CHASE THEIR DREAMS,
THEY ARE SOMEWHERE, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AROUND IN YOUR
COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY ARE AROUND YOU EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THAT THEY'RE MAKING AN IMPACT ON YOUR
LIFE, BUT THEY REALLY ARE, WHETHER THEY SAY I LOVE YOU OR
WHETHER THEY PROTECT YOU IN SOME KIND OF WAY SOMETIMES."
(JAI) "...HEROES, FOR ONE, HAVE TO BE SELFLESS.
I MEAN, HELPING OTHERS YOU CAN'T BE SELFISH,
AND YOU CARE ABOUT YOURSELF, LOVING,
AND ALWAYS WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING."
(CTAE) "THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT BE HEROES WOULD BE
CRIMINALS, BAD PEOPLE, PEOPLE WITH GUNS AND KNIVES AROUND
THEM, AND PEOPLE WHO HIDE A LOT OF STUFF,
AND BAD STUFF THAT THEY DO."
(VAN) "...THE WORD HERO AND PARENT JUST DON'T CONNECT.
AND THE GOAL OF THIS BOOK IS TO MAKE THOSE WORDS CONNECT MORE
OFTEN INCLUDING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY LIKE POLICE OFFICERS
WHO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
FIREMEN, LIBRARIANS, TEACHERS, DOCTORS, PLUMBERS,
THE YOUNG MAN WHO PICKS UP A PIECE OF GARBAGE, THAT'S A HERO.
THE YOUNG PERSON WHO SAYS "HEY, DON'T MISTREAT MY FRIEND.
DON'T MISTREAT THIS YOUNG PERSON."
THOSE ARE ALL HEROES.
WE ALL HAVE THE CAPACITY, THE BOOK TRIES TO TEACH US,
THAT WE ALL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE HEROES WHETHER WE HAVE CAPES
OR NOT."
(HELENE) TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HEROES MISSION OR WHERE TO BUY
YOUR OWN COPY GO TO: LIST-OF-HEROES-DOT-COM.
AND THAT WRAPS UP THIS EDITION OF "NEED TO KNOW" - ROCHESTER'S
NEWS MAGAZINE.
I'M YOUR HOST, HELENE BIANDUDI HOFER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME TONIGHT,
THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND AND ONLINE AT W-X-X-I-NEWS-DOT-ORG.
I'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
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