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Mrs. Edeltraud is now 82 years old.
Long time ago, she had a tubal pregnancy ...
and ... an NDE.
During her NDE, she went to a place that was so beautiful ... but so beautiful ... it looked like a painting.
She decided to look back.
When she looked back ...
there was nothing!
He looked forward ...
the painting!
Looked back...
nothing!
Let's know her story?
Good afternoon, Mrs. Edeltraud ...
Thank you so much for sharing your story with us.
I would like you to introduce yourself ...
and please tell us ...
in as much detail as possible ...
everything that happened.
Thank you very much.
My name is Edeltraud Dela Pace ...
I'm retired ... like I said ...
and I'm 82 years old.
And my story was as follows ...
I ... I had ... a tubal pregnancy ...
and I did not know...
then... I fainted...
of so much pain
and...
I saw myself in such a beautiful place ... so pretty...
that ... the place ... looked like a painting.
Then ... I was looking ... and thinking ... "Where am I?" ...
"Where am I?" ... then I looked up ...
and there was a tall coconut tree and its shade on me ...
it had a bunch
if I wanted to ... it was time to pick this bunch ...
and then I looked around ... "but ... my God ... where am I?"
"I was at home ... how can I be here?"
Then I looked ... forward ...
there was a house far from me ...
a white house ...
typical ... of the colony ...
white with windows ... a window on each side and the door in the middle ...
and the door was open, the windows were open as well.
then I thought ... this house is so distant...
and there is not an animal... there is no dog, there is nothing, nothing ...
just a beautiful song ... very beautiful ... a song like... a resting song ...
then I looked down...
there was a grass ...
green ... a green ... that does not exist ...
it can not exist ... so beautiful it was.
Then I looked again at the house and ...
I thought ... "This house is so far ..."
but there was a blue sky ...
with white clouds ... white ...
there ... behind the house ...
there were mountains ... high mountains...
and it looked like there was snow on some of them... on the top of them... like on the drawings ...
so beautiful...
but I was impressed because there was nobody ... just me and the coconut tree ...
then I thought ... "my God, if I have to go there in that house ..."
"but that house is so far ..."
"how can I get there?"
"and what is there behind me?"
I looked behind meck ...
and there was a black wall ... it had nothing.there was nothing.
Black, black, black.
I thought ... "Wow ... what is this ... where am I, my God?"
then I looked forward again and thought ... "wow... I will have to walk a lot" ...
because it seemed I would have to go there in that house.
but I did not go ...
because suddenly I felt a pain in my legs ...
my husband was holding me ...
and he could not bear the weight of my body ...
he let me fall...
and I fell on the bed ...
then I came back...
and I said ... "hey, dad ... why did you bring me from there ... it was so beautiful ... why did not you leave me there?" ...
Then he said ... "where? ... you are here in the room" ...
And this is what happened...
It's not much but ...
It's true ... what happened to me.
When this happened, how old were you?
I was...
40 ...
about 39, 40 years.
Do you live in Rio Grande do Sul [state]?
Yes ... in Tramandaí [city].
And that's where it happened?
Yes, in Rio Grande do Sul but in Porto Alegre [city].
Did you ... at any moment ... did you have the feeling that you were dead?
No ... I was alive.
I felt alive ... I just did not know where I was.
how was it possible that in one moment I was full of pain ...
and suddenly I had no more pain ... and I was in that place ...
and that wonderful song ... that beautiful place ...
I wanted to stay there.
Haven't you even noticed the passage from one place to the other?
No, I did not notice ... I just saw myself standing under the coconut tree ...
with that beautiful song... that grass ...
How was the process of the tubal pregnancy ...
what happened before you were in this other place?
What happened is that I had a lot of pain ...
a lot of pain because I had an internal hemorrhage ...
and then I had that pain ... I do not know if I wanted to get out of that pain ...
I do not know ... I do not know how to tell you ...
why that happened ... why [suddenly] was I in such a beautiful place resting ... under that coconut tree ...
standing ... I was standing.
You felt the pain at home... you did not go to the hospital ...
or you went afterwards, probably.
They took me to an emergency.
They did it after your experience?
After the experience.
Was it then at the hospital that you learned that you had a tubal pregnancy ...
and that you had an internal bleeding?
Yeah, I learned it later.
I told the doctor ... "no, it can't be ..." but he said that was it.
and there ... [at the hospital] I went through a surgery ... and I was very ill during seven days ...
I only had blood in my brain because I went through the surgery with my legs up ...
so that I could have blood on the brain ...
otherwise I could have some sequel.
All this I know ... it was horrible this place ...
but ... there ...
I wanted to stay there in that place.
It is interesting that you had this experience at a time when you ...
were unconscious ... but not in coma ... not anesthetized ...
you were at home ... being carried by your husband ... who let you fall on the bed ... isn't it?
Yes.
Standing ... he was carrying me in his arms ...
but we are very heavy ...
when we are not able to help ... right?
he could not hold me anymore ...
he let me fall on the bed...
my feet ... my legs got stuck under the bed ... he pulled me ...
and because of the pain I came back.
Then I told him ... "Why did not you leave me there? It was so beautiful ..."
he said ... "where?"
"you're here ..."
He did not understand what I meant.
But I knew where I was ...
in a beautiful place.
Did you feel at peace?
What was your feeling?
I was happy there.
I wanted to stay there.
It was a wonderful place ... I did not want to come back ...
I did not want to go somewhere else ...
I wanted to stay there on that grass ...
on that rug of grass ...
that house...
but the house was too far for me to walk ...
I thought ... "wow, I'll have to walk a lot to get there in that house" ...
and nobody had ...
nobody had ... you know... my family ... my parents ...
my in-laws ... everyone was still alive ...
nobody ... nobody died of my family.
Later... I thought ...
"maybe that's why there was no one there ... the house was empty ... it was waiting for me ...
How was this song you were listening to?
You know I've already thought a lot about this ...
it was a cool music ...
a relaxing song...
a song of peace...
a song that ...
well ... that I did not want anything else ... just to hear that song.
It's impossible to explain.
Can you tell some instrument which was being played in that song?
was there a violin ... a piano ... or not?
Yes ... there was an orchestra ... everything ...
There was no singer.
There was no singer but there was a piano, a violin,
there was everything it must have so that a beautiful song can be made.
Did you feel that in some way you were part of that place?
No ... I did not feel ... I was transported there without knowing how I appeared there...
I was surprised to be in that place ...
next to that coconut tree ...
in its shadow.
You said shadow.
Did you see the sun?
The sun ... the sun ... directly I did not see ...
but I could see the white clouds illuminated by the sun.
How am I going to explain ... the sky was blue and very clear but the sun itself I did not see.
Did you look at yourself ...
to see if you had a body ...
did you see a body?
I saw myself ...
I ... I felt myself.
Did you look at her hands or feet ...
or did you feel that you had a body at that moment?
I was with the body.
I was standing ... I felt myself standing beside the coconut tree.
Did you feel light as if you had no weight?
I had no weight.
I was light... I was happy.
I was so happy to be in that place.
I was disappointed when I felt the pain and I came back to Earth ...
I said ... "Why did you bring me back? ... It was so beautiful there."
He did not understand what I was talking about.
And this feeling of lightness was very nice?
It was nice ... but I did not walk.
I just looked back ... I saw that wall ...
"Wow ... where am I?" ...
[I thought ...] "I'll look back ..."
and there was that wall.
But I was happy to be there ...
I was surprised I didn't see anybody ... or anything ... not a cat ... nobody.
How do you interpret this black wall that you saw behind you?
This wall was like a black canvas.
How can I explain it better ... it's like ... it's like they've stretched a ...
how do you call it?
a black canvas ... very smooth ... well stretched ...
in a way that I could not return ... [there was] no door or any hole on it.
It was a black wall.
Weren't you surprised to see this black wall?
I thought ... I thought ...
"how can it be so beautiful there and so ugly behind?"
Did you notice at which point it changed from beautiful to ugly?
As you turned back did you see how was this transition?
Right behind me.
Right behind me there was no clarity it was all dark behind me.
Was it as if you were looking ... for example ... a stage ...
and then there's the audience ...
so there's a ... a separation [between both] ...
That's it.
a well delineated separation.
Yes ... very close to me.
there was more or less ... I think ...
there was about a meter ... not more than that ... behind me.
That wall was very close to me.
And I was surprised ... how was I there ... beside the coconut tree ...
imagine... a coconut tree ... it could be a pine tree ... no ... it was a coconut tree ...
and it had a bunch ...
and I even thought ... "hey, they are ready to be eaten ... the coconuts" ...
In this place behind you... that you saw ... and that it was all black ... wasn't there any stars ... for example?
No.
Black, black ... nothing ... nothing ...
It was frightening ...
I shivered ... when I saw that black wall.
I had no interest on that wall ...
I did not want to ... I looked back once and did not look anymore...
It scared me ... that black ...
I just wanted to look forward ... to that beautiful house ... I wanted to go there.
[that] colony house ... white house... with the brown window ...
Why did not you go there?
Oh ... I thought ... "It's too far... I'm going to have to walk a lot" ...
but at that moment he pulled me ...
he interrupted my journey.
In the same way you were suddenly ... you came back suddenly ...
Did not you see yourself leaving your body or going back to your body?
No ... no ... I did not leave the body nor return to the body ...
but it was me who was there ...
reasoning normally.
You were religious when you It happened?
My God, it's my God ... I think each one imagines [his own way] as He is.
and that ... the image there ... looked like the sky.
Were there flowers?
There was a flower near the house ... in front of the house there was a flower ... there was even a step like this ...
he was half oval ... it was a step to enter into the house ... of cement ... of stone.
Where have these little houses ... in Rio? Great South?
In Rio Grande do Sul.
Where my husband was born in Jaguari, there's this kind of house I dreamed of.
When you came back, did you come back with the perfect memory of what you had experienced right?
To this day ... for over 40 years I have not been able to forget this beautiful place that I was.
I know you told your husband why you complained to him, did not you?
For the children ... I told everyone ... "hey, this happened to me" ...
everyone thought it was a dream ... or nightmare, I do not know ...
When did you start realize that other people ...
had experiences like these that are now called near-death experiences?
Every once in a while we see on television ... we read in the books ...
we see ... I've seen a lot ... but from what I understand, they see the body lying down, and they see themselves up there ...
floating ... but ... not as I was ...
I did not see my body ... my body was with me.
At the time you had this experience ...
You did not know about this kind of experience, did you?
I already knew there were people leaving the body, but not like I did.
Even at that time ... even 40 years ago?
It's ... There was already this ... they talked ...
it appeared in some book ...
I remember a case where the person ... was a woman ... she had been operated on ...
hence she was out of her body ...
and she saw her body there ... being operated on ...
What happened afterwards I do not know ... because I did not interest myself ...
You noticed ... after this experience...
a change in the senses of the lady?
Let me explain better ... some people say that they have an intuition ...
more accurate
a premonition ...
or who feel the feeling of people ...
Yes this is true.
I have that sense.
I feel.
Sometimes I feel something ...
I'm even afraid to say ... because ...
How will I explain?
to hurt ... the person does not want ... will not like ... I keep for myself ... I do not speak.
And did you have it before ... or did you have it only after the experience?
After the experience.
Mrs. Edeltraud ...
as you told me before ...
You were not born in Brazil, right?
Do not.
Were you born in what country?
In Czechoslovakia.
In Gablonz, city of Gablonz.
Do you have Czech citizenship, then?
Do not.
The Czechs did not accept me as Czech because ...
all who were German, like my mother ...
you know ... it's a long story.
My father, because he was Brazilian, he did not need to serve ... in the war.
So, when it was already at the end of the war, when they were already losing ...
a colonel got there ... a lieutenant I do not know who he was ... a big one ...
he came and said [to my father] ...
"You are summoned to go to war."
Then my father said ... "No ... I'm Brazilian."
Then he said ... "Do you prove it?"
[my father] ... "Provo".
My dad took his birth record ... and it showed.
The German officer tore ... and said ... "Now you are German ... now you are."
Then my father went but he did not have to serve anymore ... he stayed alone in the barracks ...
because it was already over ... they were losing ...
and then he stayed in the barracks and for nine months I did not see my father ...
he was arrested by the Americans ...
and the Czechs kicked us out of our house ...
with 50 kilos ...
and nothing else...
just me and my mother ... I'm an only child.
expelled us with 50 kilos and put us in a field of transportation.
We went to a former concentration camp.
We went first to one in the city ...
then we stayed in another one in Glauchau, which was a place next door to our town ... a small place ...
and from there they put it on a train of [transport of] ox ... of cow ...
filled the wagon with 20, 30 people ... man ... woman ... child ...
all mixed up, locked out ... and there we went.
Where?
From Czechoslovakia to Germany.
From there we arrive in Buchenvald.
They went down ... they opened the door ... we could go down ...
there was a field of transportation that was a concentration camp ... before ... of the Jews.
In that same field we stayed.
There was always a shuttle and then there was no place for us, for those who arrived.
There was a shack up there on the hill ...
without glasses, without window, without door, only the walls ...
it rained what God commanded ... to the knee in the middle of the clay ...
to get up there up there ...
I was not yet 10 years old ...
it was all mixed up ... poor people ... rich ... it was all mixed up ...
we still had to take care of the two little bags we had ...
to the knee in the neighborhood ... we got up there ... totally wet ...
there was nowhere to hide, there was nothing ... just the roof ...
then my mother opened a sheet on the floor and we lay in the corner ...
we had to wait ...
if they would give anything ...
there, the other day, a transport ... out of the field ...
so we went down there ...
and then there was a tent, there was a window, there was everything, there was even a stove in the middle of the fishing ...
It was Easter week ...
and ... that's when we had a bed ...
my mother won a ... every person had his corner ...
and ... the food ... won a piece of black bread ...
that if you hit someone's head you would kill ...
this was food we had in the cafe ...
at noon an English potato ...
Great ... the potato was very large ...
or a soup made with worms.
As we were not accustomed to eating this ...
I got sick.
Did you say soup with worms?
Yes, with worms ... what you give in wheat flour ... those bugs ...
still half alive ...
so ... since we were not used to it ...
I got hepatitis.
First jaundice and then I got hepatitis.
But there was no remedy, there was nothing ...
the only thing they did ...
it was an experience with injection in the people ... I do not know if it was experience ... or was ...
I do not know what that was ...
it was a needle with which the cows were injected ... into the cows ...
had a large glass ... and their doctor cut [the glass] ...
and filled that needle [syringe] and applied it to his arm.
[and said] "ready ... go ..."
there were people who slept one day and Another day you could not see.
Who took care of this field of transport?
The Russians ... the part of the Russians ... we were in the part of the Russians ...
and my father was in the American part.
You were separated, then.
Yes ... my father did not know ... we did not know if my father was alive ...
he also did not know if we were alive ...
we did not know anything, we lost total contact.
The Americans took care of the part where he was ...
and for nine months we did not know about my father, whether he was dead or alive.
He was in the American camp.
So the Americans said ... "Whoever was born in Germany is free" ...
but my father had no document, he had nothing ...
but he said ... "Ah I was born in Germany."
There [they asked] "where were you born?"
and he said ... he lied ... "I was born in Westphalenweg".
"Ah, then you can go, soldier," he said to those who said they lived in Germany.
Then my father went to the street and he arranged a service in a ...
he was a shoemaker ... he was a modeler of shoes ... he studied for that ...
there ... how they felt sorry ... a family who had signed ...
at that time shoes were repaired ... now this no longer exists ...
there they took [my father] and he worked there and lived there.
And we, me and my mother, they [the Russians] transported us ...
I was already very ill ... I had a little fever.
there was no remedy ... there was nothing ...
My mother used to say ... "God ... I ... I do not want to lose my daughter ... "
"I already lost my house, everything they worked to acquire ..."
"I lost everything in two hours ... we had to go to ..."
"because they expelled us ... as I said before" ...
that's when we were in the field ... then they put us on the train ...
I was already very sick ...
they put us on the train ...
but it was a normal train ... third class ... with wooden bench ...
He was going where?
To Germany...
Berlin ... Westphalenweg ... where the train passed us could descend ...
but as I was very bad ...
How was my mother going to come down with me?
Then ... before arriving ... a Russian entered and asked ... my mother spoke a little Russian ...
he asked my mother ...
"What does she have?"
She said ... "I do not know what she has ..."
[he said] "ah ... I know what she has."
He disappeared ... in a little while he came back ...
but I was not present at that time either.
I...
who knows this has, somehow, to do with my past ...
that [past] where I was in such a beautiful place ...
Why? I'm going to get there. It's very close.
Then he came with a loaf of bread ... with a small board ...
cut the slices of bread ... a whole loaf of bread ... with butter and green chives and a black coffee pot.
he made bread and said to the my mother ... "give it to her to eat".
She gave me the little pieces of bread.
he left ... and we left with the train.
but then my mother thought ... "pulls life ... I'm not going down anywhere ... I'm going to go to where the train is ..."
"because I can not walk with the guria and the two backpacks ... the two suitcases".
Then she ended up going to Stelingen ... the place where we arrived.
When we got there in Stelingen ...
I did not walk ... but I was aware ... I think Russian bread helped ...
and the fever has subsided ...
then a farmer took it ...
the local people ... it was a small place ... each one took ... a family ... or took ... a man ...
to ... to help.
Then a farmer saw me in that state ...
My mother said they took me to their house ...
My mother never dodged to work ... she always worked.
there ... he took me on his lap ... he opened the door ...
my God ... it's another beautiful thing I've seen.
I do not know if I was fainted ... but it might even be.
I entered ... so ... that bed ... with that mattress ... of pity with ... everything clean ...
the wardrobe ... white ... the camisole ... was the room of their guria ...
and curtain in window ...
and I said to my mother ... "Mother ... this is where I want to be ... I do not want to leave here anymore."
Who knows there is some connection between what happened then and in this ... I do not know ...
I was unconscious for eight days.
They took the milk from the cow ...
he held my head ... my mother would put the milk ...
It was only this way that I survived.
One day I woke up with a cock crowing ... "my God ... where am I?"
I wanted to get up ... I got up ... but I fell.
I could not walk as weak as I was.
Then the people heard the noise, went there and answered me ...
and so I came back to life again.
My aunt had stayed in Czechoslovakia, in Gablonz, in my city ...
and my father ... wrote to us ... he received no answer ... then he wrote to my aunt, my mother's sister ...
and my aunt replied to him that we had been expelled and that we were in Stelingen ...
hence my father contacted us ...
my aunt sent us his letter and my father found us.
As he was there in Westphalenweg, he went to the place we were, in Stelingen.
But Stelingen is such a small place that it belonged neither to the Russians nor to the [Americans] ...
because they divided [the places] between the Russians, the Americans and French and Italian, didn't they?
French and English?
English, yes.
So we were in a place that did not belong to anyone.
It was a small place ... it was necessary to pass a brushwood ...
to get to the American side. [AFTER SHE CORRECTS: to get to the Russian side]
then my father went to meet us ... he had document, he had everything, he came by train to where we were ...
and the brother of the farmer who received us ... lived on the American side.
so he brought my father hidden ... at night ... through the brushwood ...
Nobody could pass freely ...
from the American side to here?
Only hidden ... there were those searchlights ... lighting ...
What's the name of ... "searchlight"?
It moved like this ... circling ... so that nobody could get away... because a lot of people ran away ...
Then my father came to us. I did not recognize my father.
Everyone thought I would go towards him ...
my mother said to me ... "Hey, Traud ..."
Traud ... my nickname is Traud.
She said to me ... "Are not you going to see your father?"
I stared at him and said, "No, he is not my father."
"My father was a beautiful man ... this is an old man."
Destroyed ... hump ... he was.
Then he said, "Traud, I'm your father."
Then I recognized him by his voice ...
not by appearance.
Then he hugged me ... but he had to go back with the farmer to the other side ...
and ... the other day or two days later my mother and I went through the woods.
so it was like this...
in Europe the woods are not like here ...
there... you can walk through the pine trees, all the trees ...
so when the searchlight passed to one side my mother would tell me ... "go to that tree." and I ran there ...
then when the searchlight did it and again ...
my mother ... went to the tree where I was ...
and doing so finally we got in the zone ... of the Americans.
No ... in the zone of the Russians ... he [the farmer'sbrother] lived in the area of the Russians.
Did you have to go through the American zone?
You said he came from the American zone.
I made a mess ... he [the farmer's brother] had lands in the [Russian] zone ... he [also] had cattle [in the American zone]...
When they [the countries] were devided,
a piece of his land was on the American side.
Then he could go there taking hay to cattle, grass and other things ...
and he took us inside the hay wagon ...
me and my mother...
he put hay on top of us...
he used to pass ... what's its name ...
Border?
Yes, when he passed the border ... the soldier would check with the bayonet and ...
stick that bayonet in [the hay] ... if it would pierce [someone], it would ... if it wouldn't ...
thank God I'm here telling the story ... it didn't pierce me.
This frontier was from which side to which side ... from the American to the Russian?
From the Russian side to the American side...
as he had that piece of land there [on the American side] with cattle, he could pass.
But [the Russian soldiers] always checked ... with the bayonet ... to see if there were [hidden people] because a lot of people got away from there.
So when you fled with your mother scaping from the searchlights ... in the woods ...
did you arrive first on the Russian or the American?
First we arrived in the Russian side ...
because the place where we were was nobody's ... Stelingen ...
there the [farmer's] brother lived on the Russian side ...
but he had a piece of land on the American side, where he planted and had cattle.
Then he could go and return ... but the cart was examined ...
because a lot of people ran away like that.
The soldiers who threaded the bayonet were the Russians ...
The Russians.
So we got into the American side ... then we took a train ...
then my father ... [who was already with us] ... said to my mother and me ...
"look ... a inspector will come ... when he passes ... he will not pass again, he just goes forward ..."
"so, you get out of the train ... walk in the direction of the back wagon..."
"and get again in the train after the inspector."
And so we did.
And why could not you be seen inside the train?
Because we did not have any document, we had nothing ...
we had no documents, we had nothing to prove ...
whether we were Germans, Russians, or whether we were Czech ...
We did not have documents ... they took the documents from us.
If your father came back to Europe ...
and his mother was Czech ...
why were you considered German and expelled from Czechoslovakia?
Because it was war ... the Germans lost the war ...
so since my mother was German, she was indeed from Austria ...
and my dad could not prove he was Brazilian ...
and he was not present ... he was [at that moment] arrested ... by the Americans ... so it was a mess ...
[and so] they expelled us with 50 kilos [of luggage] .. nothing more.
You went through a war ...
You know a lot that we only know when we watch movies or when we read books ...
you went through a mystical experience that almost no one has passed.
With this knowledge that you accumulated in your life,
what advice would you give ... to the new generations?
I've changed a lot ... I think I'm more understanding now.
I thought I was very wronged ...
I thought I was a person ...
Why me?
Why did I have to go through all this?
I rebelled.
Yes ... I will not say something that ...
I'm not saying I am a saint ...
But why me?
"So many people ... so many bandits ..." I used to think ...
Why did I [have to go through this]?
I asked a lot to die.
I asked a lot ... many times to die.
But I've changed my mind now.
I would like to give the following advice...
all people should do their best so that it doesn't happen again what happened to me when I was a child ...
all people should take good care of this Brazil because Brazil is a place so blessed by God ...
everyone should have more love for each other ...
everyone should not solve the problems on the tip of the knife [aggressively] ...
everyone should forgive ... and not loose the temper...
I want everyone to be more human ...
that one understands the other ...
and that there would never be again a war ...
that everyone could live in peace ...
because only those who have lived [in a war] ... who felt in the own skin ... know what it is.
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