What about the Israeli weapons that were part of the slaughter in Serbia?
Yes, with the authorization of the Defense Ministry
We are talking about private Israeli companies that cannot do it without the authorization of the Defense Ministry
And actually it puts us on the side of that Miladic
It was with Uzis and shells and Israeli means. Not only.
But also, and it was not only in the past, but it is happening now as well
In Burma, for example.
And many countries in Africa
South America. Yes
Yes, and it can simply drive one crazy
How a state that takes every VIP that comes here to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum
and says to him, "Look how you behaved toward us"
How can it cooperate through the back door with genocide?
Not really through the back door
It is not really so much through the back door
and I will say more than that
We practically don't make money from it
People will say to you that we have to export weapons in order to preserve our security industry
so that they will be able when called upon to provide us with everything that we need
What can we do? We can't take moral responsibility for every rifle that is sold
If it won't be our rifle, it will the rifle of somebody else
That is not true. Not technically and not inherently.
It is not technically true because all we are talking about is approximately 5% of Israel's security exports
And the money does not go into Israel's coffers but into the weapons' dealers accounts
In my estimation this is a case of "connections" between the Defense Ministry veterans and those who are still giving the authorizations there.
In other words, generals. You remember our last discussion when a general didn't even know who the enemy is
You remember? Yes, yes, everyone remembers
So they don't know who the enemy is, but they know how to make money from what they learned.
That is the whole story. Generals who are killers who are making money from it
It is simply disgusting, ok?
That is on the technical side
The State is not makeing money from it
but rather a collection of people making big money
from such unethical actions.
But beyond that
Parenthetically, in Buddhism, it is forbidden to come into contact with weapons dealers.
There is something to that.
Even if it is weapons for the purpose of peace? Is there such a thing as weapons for the purpose of peace?
Avri, I want to say something deeper than the level of private disgusting actions
What will we say to the Polish citizen
who for a loaf of white bread and a bit of jam turned in a Jew, turned in our grandmother?
He at least was hungry, or he was facing the death penalty if he wouldn't do it
He could have also said, "If I wouldn't have turned him in, somebody else would have turned him in"
"So at least I gained something from it."
Let us hear what the Defense Ministry says on this topic
This is what they say:
The policies of supervision over security exports are constantly evaluated
according to various considerations, including human rights
in the destination countries, such as the policies of the UN Security Council and other international bodies.
The Foreign Ministry, responsible for our foreign policy and foreign relations is fully involved with the decision making process
Both in the Defense Ministry and the Foreign Ministry we relate great importance
to the aspect of human rights in the recipient countries of our defense exports
The perspective of human rights is taken into account together with
additional security and strategic considerations
that are taken into account in the process and in complete contrast to the claims being made.
Did you understand what you read?
I didn't understand. Neither did I.
But I have stopped understanding official responses a long time ago
It is an automatic response machine, blah blah blah
They say that they are considerng the human rights situation in the destination countries.
What? The worse the human rights situation in the country, the more weapons we export to them?
Let us just leave all that nonsense alone. It is blather that is not even worth our comments.
There is an important point that I want to say beyond that.
The State of Israel must start to relate to itself
as a country that is supposed to be an ethical beacon of light
To be on the side that delineates the proper way
for humanity, and not on the side of those who ignore
the ethical implications.
Does anybody listen to you? You are saying these things for a long time. This is not the first time that you say these things, here as well
Does anybody hear you? Does anybody listen to you? Does anybody relate to the things that you are saying?
Excuse me. Is there a money trail?
How will they listen to him? Money plugs up the holes in the ears.
Actually, here we have reason to be optimistic
The answer is certainly yes. In the Knesset, I held a number of caucuses on these issues
Organ harvesting in China and additional places
There is certainly openness to listen, there is cooperation between Right and Left
There is a new vibe
We can say that the fact
that the attention to this issue comes from a Jewish place
from a deep Jewish worldview
creates a new discourse in Israel
Certainly, there are people listening
Moshe Feiglin, Chairman of Zehut, thank you
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