(Music)
JERRIANN: Hi I'm Jerriann Savelle and I want to welcome
you to the show today. You know life does not always go as
planned. Even as Christians, hard things, difficult things
can happen to us. Challenging times can happen to us. In the
last several weeks we've been talking about trusting God in
those challenging times, but can we still say I trust you God
even in our darkest hour. Can we still say I trust you God that
you can get me through this and walk with me through every step
of the way? Today I have a friend with me who's been
through a challenging time, and yet here he sits still trusting
God, still believing God, still preaching all over the world.
Please welcome Bishop Gary Oliver. Thank you so much for
being here. GARY: Thank you Jerriann, and I'm glad to be
here with you. JERRIANN: Well we met about five years ago. GARY:
Yeah, absolutely. JERRIANN: Through your wife, who's a dear
friend of mine for years, and then she introduced me to you.
You guys have been such a blessing in my life. GARY: Aw,
well thank you. You've been a blessing to us. JERRIANN: Thank
you. I know your story. I didn't know you when this happened to
you, but I know your story. I look at you, I go to your church
on Wednesday nights when I can- GARY: Right. JERRIANN: And you
are on fire. This man can sing, this man can preach. But I look
at you and I think wow, you've been through something as a
parent, six children, I can't even comprehend what you've been
through. Yet, you still trust, you still believe, you're still
preaching. Walk us through that time in your life. GARY: Well it
was a very, very interesting time. It was a busy time in my
life. I had actually been on like a tour of the United
States. We did 90 days in a year. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: Sang
for a 1,300,000 people in that time. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: Saw
50,000 people come to Jesus for the first time in those dates
that we were out. It was actually a headline between me
and Carmen. I know that probably many of the people watching
today will know Carmen. I know you know who he is. JERRIANN:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). GARY: Carmen has been a good friend of
mine. We actually went to the same church in Tulsa back in the
day. JERRIANN: Right. GARY: We were at Carlton Pearson's
church. JERRIANN: Now I have to add though, you've written a lot
of songs that we've sang in church. In fact, the one I sang
every Sunday, I told you this, every Sunday at my church we
sang Celebrate Jesus. GARY: Celebrate Jesus. JERRIANN: That
song has gone all over the world. GARY: It actually has. In
fact, I have a recording of that in Russian. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY:
Yeah, it's really interesting. I mean because ... You know,
that's something that is a very, very intriguing part of my life
because I grew up in a little holiness setting, Pentecostal. I
was a holiness kid. We just didn't do much marketing. We
didn't know anything about that kind of stuff. So I was praying
one time and asking the Lord where does my wealth come from,
and while I'm praying all of the songs I had written started
going through my mind. I said well God I don't know how to do
that. I feel like there's always somebody watching who is saying
I don't know how to get to that next step. I told God I don't
know how to do that, so you're going to have to do it for me.
It was like God saying to me, "I've just been waiting on you
to say that. I wanted you to get out of the way." I think
sometimes we try to get in God's way too much. There's a great
part of rest in all of this that we're talking about today that's
vital and very important. But anyway, Celebrate Jesus was the
first song of mine that got recorded by Integrity, Hosanna
music back in the day, Integrity Hosanna, and Don Moen recorded
it. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: That song literally did go all over
the world, but it was a lot of fun. A lot people know that, you
probably sang it at Easter time. JERRIANN: Isn't that when you
wrote it? You said for a children's program? GARY: Yeah,
for a little children's program. One of the children's directors
at our church came to me and said hey we need a song to let
the kids know that Easter is a wonderful time, and Good Friday
is a wonderful time even though that our Lord Jesus died. How
can they celebrate Jesus? I said hold on a minute, I think you
got the song right there. I ran to the piano and I started
singing that. JERRIANN: That's amazing. GARY: And played it
through the first time, and then later added the verses to it.
JERRIANN: Well I love you, but I got tired of that song. GARY:
Listen, I got tired of that song. JERRIANN: We sang it every
Sunday. But no, so you were at a place in your life,
accomplished. You accomplished a lot of things, had success in
your life, loving God, serving God- GARY: Absolutely. JERRIANN:
Traveling all over the world. Yet- GARY: Yet, I get a call on
a Friday night. I'm having a feeling that something is
terribly wrong. I don't know what it is. I had been out with
a friend of mine who is a pastor, and we had taken some
horses to the mountain and rode horses. I just had this feeling
that I needed to get home, something was wrong. I get home
and the mother of my children and I were married at that time,
and she told me "Something is very wrong. We need to pray for
Brandon." I said, "What are you talking about?" She said I
just saw him walk in our bedroom, but he was falling as
he was walking, and his head was really narrow like this. At 1:00
the phone rang. We prayed right then. I just told the Lord I
trust you. This is your son. He was your son before he was mine.
You gave him to me. He's a gift to me. But God I thank you for
this boy, and I believe that you've got your hand on him, and
you're going to complete whatever needs to be done in his
life. We trust him, so we just turn him over to you. At 1:00 in
the morning we get that call. When the phone rang, I knew what
was going on. Needless to say, we lost Brandon in a car
accident that night where the car had spun out of control. He
was in the backseat. There was one young man driving the car
who was underage. They had just ran a friend home around the
corner, and they were coming right back to this little high
school party with all of these kids. There was no drugs, there
was no alcohol involved, that everybody always assumes when
it's kids. There was nothing like that because I questioned
the police two or three times, like tell me what was going on.
They said no everything was very clean. The kids were clean, but
the boy just lost control of the car, spun out, caught the front
bumper on a tree and slammed the car into a tree. When it hit
that tree, that back window exploded. Brandon was sitting in
the back seat. He's tall like me, six foot two, and he's
sitting there and that window exploded. His head flies out and
catches between the car and the tree, and he was instantly gone.
JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: Seventeen years old. JERRIANN: See your
life at that moment, it changed. GARY: Radically changed.
JERRIANN: It's changed forever. GARY: Radically changed.
JERRIANN: I can't imagine. Well when we come back I want Bishop
Gary to tell us how he got through the darkest time in his
life, and how he can be here today, the man that he is, still
believing and still trusting. So, watch this
announcement and we'll be right back in just a few moments.
ANNOUNCER: Now is the time to start trusting
God and walking in his promise. In the powerful
three CD teaching, God Is Everything You Need Him To
Be, Jerry Savelle uncovers truth that will help you develop
faith and trust God to be your refuge, your provider, and your
comforter. God promises that he will meet our every need,
spiritual, physical and material. In the inspiring book,
How God Supplies Your Every Need, you will learn to operate
in principles that will revolutionize your thinking and
cause you to experience God's best for your life. Also
included in this package is the revolutionary CD teaching from
Jerriann Savelle, Trusting God in Challenging Times. Don't
wait, it's time to take your faith and trust in God to the
next level. Call or go online to jerrysavelle.org, and request
the Trust in God package featuring God Is Everything You
Need Him To Be, How God Supplies Your Every Need, and Trusting
God In Challenging Times. Open your heart and ready yourself to
walk in the freedom that comes from trusting God today.
JERRIANN: I want to encourage you to go to jerrysavelle.org
right now and order the products that we're offering. Faith comes
by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. You can never get
enough teaching, so I encourage you to go to the website now and
order this product. We're talking to Bishop Gary Oliver
about a time that he went through in his life, the most
devastating time that you, I can't imagine as a parent
getting that phone call. What did you do? What did you do?
GARY: Instantly I just jumped when I heard the phone ring and
began grabbing clothes, just started putting on ... Found out
where, what hospital he was taken to, went to the hospital.
Of course, they wouldn't let us see him. For that I'm grateful
now. At that moment, I had everything going off inside me.
Anger, fear, frustration, deep sorrow, so many feelings that
you're almost numb. You don't even know what you're feeling.
I'm trying to call my family. My mother was still living at the
time. She lived alone, I didn't want to call her, so I called my
oldest brother and his wife, told them. Word spread to the
family. I have to say Jerriann, that it's sometimes it takes
going through these tough moments to realize how much we
are loved and how much God loves us. We actually had the home
going service at a studio there in Nashville, at the TBN
studios. We had the service there at there Hendersonville
location. Bishop Jakes flew in and preached the funeral for us.
Rod Parsley was there, did an altar call. All in all, when we
got that played back on video and we aired parts of it, not
the whole thing but we aired parts of it, when we aired it
1,200 17 year olds called in to the studios and gave their life
to the Lord. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: I said God I count my son
a seed sown into the kingdom and you will multiply it and raise
it back up. JERRIANN: That's amazing. GARY: I believe that I
have many sons that I don't even know yet. JERRIANN: Yes. GARY:
But when you talk about making it through that, and how do you
keep trusting God in these moments- JERRIANN: Yeah, because
you had to at some point, you got angry. GARY: Oh yeah.
JERRIANN: I mean you were questioning. There were a whole
lot of why's, why did this happen to me, why did this
happen to my son. GARY: Absolutely. I remember one of
the biggest moments for me in that why process, I was on the
back porch of my home in Nashville. I'm just sitting
there, and I mean it's like for days you just can't stop the
tears. Tears are just flowing. I'm like God why me, why
Brandon. I had ... You have so many dreams for your children.
You see their little lives, their desire. Brandon just knew
he was going to do movies, and I'm sure he would have if he
would have lived because that was his whole thing. He loved to
act. He just loved being in front of people and being on a
stage. He was great at it too. I said God why me, and God spoke
something to me that floored me Jerriann. I fell off of my couch
on the floor. I said God why me, and God spoke to me and said
because I trusted you. It blew me away. I'm like I know I'm
supposed to trust you, but you trust me for what? What do you
trust me for? God began to speak to my spirit and tell me I
trusted you to keep your faith. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: I trusted
you to keep your praise. I couldn't have
let this happen to someone else because they
would have lost their belief in me, but I trusted you
to keep believing me, to keep trusting me, and to
stay connected to me because I will show you where all of this
is going. JERRIANN: Wow. GARY: I'm telling you just in that
moment to know that God trusted me in a moment like that, and
trusted me with the gift of a 17 year old son, and then have him
taken away, it was a most humbling moment. But I think
that the greater picture for me is that if we knew all the
answers, there's a whole lot of scriptures we could do away
with. JERRIANN: Yeah. GARY: "What the enemy meant for evil
God turned for my good." We could do away with that one if
we knew all the answers. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart.
Lean not to your own understanding." We could do away
with that if we knew all the answers. "For we know that all
things work together for those who ..." I wouldn't need that
scripture if I knew all the answers. JERRIANN: Right. GARY:
And there's something about being able to walk with God in
the mystery of God, not knowing what you're up to, not knowing
what you're doing, but yet I still trust you. Deuteronomy
29:29 is a very powerful scripture that talks about the
idea that the secret things belong to God, but the things
that he's revealed he's given those to us and our sons
forever. There's parts of God that he exposes to us and lets
us know about himself, but there are other things that he keeps
secret. We used to sing an old song, We'll Understand it Better
By and By. I think that there's a whole lot about-
just walking with God and the not knowing, and being able
to keep my faith in Him, because faith, first of all ... I think
your title for this series is perfect because it's really
trust, it's not even faith, but faith works from the foundation
of trust. JERRIANN: Right. They go hand in hand. GARY: Yeah. If
I don't have trust, I can't have faith. JERRIANN: Right. GARY:
Trust has got to be a part of it, and trust in God when I
can't trace him, trust in God when I can't find him in the
situation. JERRIANN: You've got to quit asking why. GARY: You
really do. JERRIANN: You've got to not go there in your head
anymore, why this happened to me. GARY: Yeah. You have to find
a place of just saying, "You know what, God? I don't
understand it but I do trust you." JERRIANN: Mm-hmm
(affirmative). GARY: "I know that your ways are not my ways
and your thoughts are higher than my thoughts." There comes a
time in your life where you just say, "You know what? I'm going
to let this thing rest because ..." I thought one of the
toughest scriptures in the whole of the New Testament, and it was
something Jesus said, I thought it was the harshest thing I'd
ever heard anybody say. "Let the dead bury the dead." I'm like,
"Wow, that's kind of harsh, isn't it?" JERRIANN: Yeah. GARY:
I didn't understand that until my son died and I realized, if I
don't let the dead bury the dead, I will die, too, because
you'll get so caught up in that thing. JERRIANN: Yeah, despair
can take over. Yeah. GARY: Oh, my God. Depression, despair,
just every kind of emotion you can imagine. There's a place
where you have to get to where you have to say, "You know what?
My emotions are not going to run my life anymore. My faith is
going to run my life and my trust in God is going to run my
life." JERRIANN: Right. Yeah. There's a grace that you tap
into. It's a grace that I don't want to know, GARY: No,
you sure don't. It is a ... JERRIANN: But it's a grace
that you tapped into to walk you through, to get up the next
morning-- GARY: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah.
JERRIANN: --and the next morning and still fulfill
the call of God on your life. And you still
had other children, too, that you had to ... GARY: Yes. Yes. I
will say that, for three months, I couldn't get on a plane to go
anywhere. For three months, I totally shut everything down.
I will say that, in looking at my other
children, I thought ... I know where Brandon is. That's a
finale. That's done. He is laid to rest, but what if I lost my
living children, and they're still alive but I lost them
because of me being so caught up in Brandon that I disconnect
from them, and now I have living children who are dead to me?
JERRIANN: Right. I've heard of that happening with people, that
they get so caught up over here in the despair that their other
children are just kind of left. GARY: Yes, and then they cut off
and it's ... Now, you have living children who are dead.
JERRIANN: Your occupation was Jesus. GARY: Yes. JERRIANN:
You're out preaching and ministering and singing about a
God that heals and restores and you still had to go on. GARY:
Right. JERRIANN: How did you do that? Worship had to play a huge
part ... GARY: Worship, worship, worship. That's all I could tell
you, is that I worshiped Him. JERRIANN: Yeah. GARY: That
yielding of my heart to just say, "God, I don't know exactly
what you're doing and I don't know why this is going on, but
I'm going to praise you in the middle of it. I'm going to
praise you in spite of what I feel. I'm going to praise you,
I'm going to trust your Word, I'm going to take you at your
Word." One of the other things that I
really found was very, very powerful for me was to stop
saying what I was feeling but start saying what the Word said
about me. JERRIANN: Oh, that's good. Yeah. GARY: It's like, to
go to God and begin to tell God, "You know, I don't feel good
today and I don't feel this and I don't feel like I'm going to
make it and I just feel so depressed, God," and all this
stuff, I stopped doing that. I started going to God and just
telling him, "The joy of the Lord is my strength today and I
thank you that you are restoring my joy right now. I thank you
that my joy is coming again, thank you that my peace is
coming again, thank you because you are my hope. In you is where
my hope lies." JERRIANN: Yeah. GARY: The more I said things
like that to God, the stronger my will to go forward came
alive. JERRIANN: Yeah. You've got to encourage yourself in the
Lord. You have to. GARY: Absolutely. It's what David did.
JERRIANN: Yes. GARY: It's the same type of thing. You just ...
There's a moment where you have to realize ... I'm going to tell
you something. You don't get it from somebody laying hands on
you. People can speak over your life, they can say things over
you. Even the prophetic word of the Lord, which we all believe
in and we take hold of that, it can come but, until you come
into agreement with God's Word and agreement with that
prophetic Word, you're going to stay right where you are. You
have to come into agreement with God's Word and say, "God, I'm
just going to trust you in spite of so ..." There are people I
know who just are going through things that are way more
challenging than what we can even imagine. I have a very good
friend who lost his son and, for five years, she spent every
night with her son because he was born with a hole in his
heart and he had a heart attack night after night after night.
My son was one night and it was out. For five years, holding
onto her baby, not knowing when's going to be the next
night. I'm sure that there's somebody watching right now
that's in some sort of situation like that and thinking, "How do
I make it through this?" I'm telling you, how you make it
through it is you make it through it by your praise and by
your worship, by your trust. Your praise, it's easy to praise
God for what he has done because we all could go
back and look through our life and see the
history of what God has done. We can praise
God for that, and it's easy to praise God for something I can
see right in front of me, but when we begin to praise God for
what he's about to do. JERRIANN: And that sacrifice of praise,
when you don't feel like ... GARY: Yes. You don't feel like
it. JERRIANN: You don't feel like doing it and you can offer
that to God, that's huge. GARY: That's right. Absolutely. You
know, there's power in that because this is something we get
to do on this side that we'll never get to do in Heaven.
JERRIANN: Right. GARY: In Heaven, there will be no
despair. In Heaven, there will be no doubt. In Heaven, there
will be no confusion. Right now, I get to offer God a praise that
is seasoned with all of this stuff trying to creep into my
heart. Instead of taking it and using it as something negative,
just use it as seasoning on your praise and let it season your
praise. This is a praise that I get to give God that I will not
be able to give him in glory, so this is the only time in my life
that I can stand here in a moment of hurt and pain and
confusion and everything else and just sprinkle all of that on
my heart and hold it close to me and say, "God, I don't
understand it but I praise you anyway," and let that season my
praise in this moment. JERRIANN: Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).
That's so good. Here you are, what, 20-something ... GARY: 20
years later. JERRIANN: 20 years later. GARY: Yeah. JERRIANN:
Still standing, still preaching, still serving a God. You can get
through anything and everything. GARY: You can get through it.
You don't get over it, JERRIANN: No. GARY: you get through it.
You don't get over it because over is an impossibility, but
through is powerful. JERRIANN: You have. I want to read this
scripture to you guys. This is Psalms 23. We all know it, but
this is Psalms Now version. GARY: Yes. JERRIANN: It says,
"The Lord is my constant companion. There is no need that
He cannot fulfill." It says, "Whether I'm in the mountaintops
or I'm in the valley, He is ever-present with me. He is
close beside me." It says, "He will not leave me when the pain
is severe. He is near to comfort. When the burden is
heavy, He is there to lean upon. When depression darkens my soul,
He touches me with eternal joy. When I feel empty and alone, He
fills the aching vacuum with his power." I love this. GARY: I
love that. JERRIANN: "My security is in His promise to be
near me always and in the knowledge that He will never let
me go." GARY: Yes. JERRIANN: I'm telling you, whatever you're
going through right now, GARY: So good. JERRIANN: He is there.
He can walk you through the most difficult, the most challenging
time. GARY: Absolutely. JERRIANN: Pastor Gary is here.
He's been through it and, look, he sits here with joy. He's
still accomplishing all that God has called him to do, and you
can do the same. I don't care where you're at in life right
now, you can make it. You can get through it. When you put
your trust in Him, your complete trust in Him, then he can give
you the perfect peace that you need. GARY: Amen.
JERRIANN: We're going to take a break.
Watch this announcement and we'll be right back.
ANNOUNCER: Now is the time to start trusting
God and walking in his promise. In the powerful
three CD teaching, God Is Everything You Need Him To
Be, Jerry Savelle uncovers truth that will help you develop
faith and trust God to be your refuge, your provider, and your
comforter. God promises that he will meet our every need,
spiritual, physical and material. In the inspiring book,
How God Supplies Your Every Need, you will learn to operate
in principles that will revolutionize your thinking and
cause you to experience God's best for your life. Also
included in this package is the revolutionary CD teaching from
Jerriann Savelle, Trusting God in Challenging Times. Don't
wait, it's time to take your faith and trust in God to the
next level. Call or go online to jerrysavelle.org, and request
the Trust in God package featuring God Is Everything You
Need Him To Be, How God Supplies Your Every Need, and Trusting
God In Challenging Times. Open your heart and ready yourself to
walk in the freedom that comes from trusting God today.
JERRIANN: Psalm 37 tells us that, if we trust in the Lord,
we delight in him, we commit to him, and we rest in him, that he
will be there with us through anything and everything that we
go through in life. Pastor Gary shared with us a difficult
opportunity and challenge and trial he went in his life. If
you're there right now, whatever you're going through, I'm
telling you God can be your comfort and he can be your
peace. I'm going to ask you, Gary, to pray over everybody
that's watching, that they feel that supernatural peace that
passes all understanding come over them right now.
GARY: You said something powerful in Psalm 37,
where it talks about rest in the Lord. The rest of God is so
simple but yet it feels so complex to find that place of
rest, but that place of rest is where you commit everything to
Him and know that it's about Him, it's on His name now. This
is not up to you to prove anything. You go ahead and just
lay all of your burdens, cast all of your cares upon the Lord
because He cares for you. Father, in the name of Jesus, we
thank you, God, for every person that is watching and, God, for
everyone connected right now to this story. We ask, God, that
the peace of God that surpasses all understanding would surround
their hearts and minds, in Christ Jesus that you would
bring them that supernatural peace to them. Father, you said
... Jesus, you said it like this, you said, "My peace, I
leave to you," and it is not a peace that the world would give
but it is the peace that you leave. That is a peace that
comes from knowing that you completed and perfected the will
of God in your life. Father, we receive that peace. I pray for
those who are watching right now, God, they're going through
a hard time with the loss of a loved one. Father, just pick
them up today and wrap your arms around them. May they know that
they are firmly in your grip. JERRIANN: Thank you, Jesus.
GARY: May they know that you have them and that your love
surrounds them. Father, we thank you for supernatural grace and
we thank you for wisdom for our days ahead. In Jesus' name,
Amen. JERRIANN: Amen. Thank you so much for being here. I
appreciate you. GARY: Oh, I'm so glad to he here. Thank you.
JERRIANN: If you'd like more information about Bishop Gary
Oliver and his ministry, that his website will be on the
station now. I hope that you'll join me again next week to
finish up this series that we're on and I hope that you have a
great day. I'll see you again soon. GARY: Bye.
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