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Paulo Cesar, in the year 2000, had an infarct, followed by a cardiac arrest and he went through an NDE.
During his NDE, he realized that time was not linear ...
and when he came back he recognized the anesthetist who participated in his care.
He told her that he remembered her smile.
But she was wearing a mask all the time.
Paulo's story has a lot of important information and therefore we had to divide it into two parts.
Shall we watch the first one?
Paulo Cesar, good evening...
Thank you very much for your willingness to share with us ...
your history ... of near-death experience...
I know there's even another story beyond this one ...
please introduce yourself ... tell us your occupation ...
and then tell us about your near-death experience ...
in all the details that you can.
Okay.
Let's go ... I'm Paulo Cesar ...
some people at work know me as PC ...
It's a diminutive ...
and I've been a public server for 25 years.
But before I was a public server I had worked in other miscellaneous activities...
in my area ... because I am a public server public but I am an agricultural technician.
my University graduation ... technical graduation is as agricultural technician.
besides this graduation I have a graduation on computer networks ... at a higher level ...
and a specialization in agroecology ...
but I consider myself a public server because I like to serve.
My history:
I was married ...
I was 34 years old ...
I lived in Fortaleza... today I live in Brasilia ...
and my life was ... a lot of work ... I drank a lot ...
I smoked two and a half or three wallets a day ...
I was very stressed...
I had even done some heart exams because I was doing a checkup ... and everything was normal ...
I had made a trip to Venezuela ... as an FAO consultant... which was very stressful ...
I think [telling you this] is interesting to contextualize how the thing happened.
I stayed two months [travellling] ... I came back ...
and after coming back I continued working intensely here in Brazil ... in Ceará ... in the state of Ceará.
In my work I had to travel a lot.
On a Monday, December 18th, the year 2000 ...
I was going to travel on this Monday ...
I was packing when I began to feel a very bad intestinal colic.
I went to the bathroom ... with intestinal colic.
but the pain got very deep, very deep ... it was much pain.
a lot of pain ... and I sat on the toilet and I was defecating, urinating and vomiting at the same time.
I got up, took a shower trying to relieve...
and that great pain continued, an intense pain.
When I felt it was difficult to breath ...
I called my daughter ... Bruna ...
Bruna was ... I think 10 years ... 11 years ... I don't remember precisely ...
I called Bruna ...
I asked her for medication.
She called Ednusia ... her mother ...
my mother also arrived ... I used to live in a house attached to my mother's house ...
and I said ... look ... I'm having an infarct ...
I took some aspirin ...
they called my friends of my office ... and a neighbor ...
and they took me to a hospital.
I remember it was a lot of pain.
I like to emphasize that it was a lot of pain because it hurt from the soles of the feet ... to the head ...
as if someone had stuck needles in me ...
pumping oxygen to rip my veins and arteries ...
The pain was this ... it was as if my veins were being torn.
This pain was very strong.
Then we arrived at the hospital ... it was a emergency hospital ...
there in Ceará ... it is called Dr. José Frota Institute ...
there was a unit in Parangaba ...
I was taken there ...
and there are some things I remember as clear as it was today ... it's very interesting ...
I was walking ... there were a lot of people at the entrance of the emergency room ... in the emergency room.
I was coming in and people were moving away ...
later I knew the reason ... I was blue.
My body was blue ...
very...
I did not know...
I just knew I was in a lot of pain ...
and a doctor who was attending ...
she was attending about three patients ...
when she saw me ... everyone went away ... and she [said] ... send him to the ICU ...
I was taken to the ICU, and they medicated me.
I knew afterward that she told Ednusia that I was going to die [if I stayed] there.
There was no way I could stay there.
Because that place was not a hospital for heart care.
Meanwhile ... some friends ... Fabiola ... a great friend of mine ...
had already contacted the Hospital Prontocardio in Fortaleza ...
and they were waiting for me ... they just had to take me there.
They put me in an ambulance ... I think the car was a Kombi [van] ...
and... I went.
The driver was a nice guy.
and he said ... "I can not take the patient alone in the ambulance ... I need someone else."
And a young lady ... a nursing assistant said ... "I can go."
And I came in this ambulance.
Ednusia also came ...
the young lady was in the front seat with the driver ... and I, patient, behind, in the ambulance.
When I got into the hospital ...
they took me to the ICU ...
and in the ICU I remember that I was attended by a doctor ...
she was very beautiful ... and she picked me up and sent me to an angioplasty sector.
which is where they do catheterization ... and other things.
I knew, by what my mother and my daughter said ...
that until I began to be cared in a specialized hospital ... in the Prontocardio ...
spent about 40 minutes.
It was about 40 minutes of angina ... a lot of physical pain ...
a lot of physical pain.
and I was sure I was not going to die ... it's amazing that.
I had a certainty ... "I'm not going to die."
And what I asked is that they put me to sleep.
During those 40 minutes waiting to be taken care were you already inside the second hospital?
No ... it was since when the process began ...
since I started to feel sick at home ... until I got to the hospital.
In the hospital I would have what I consider to be the NDE ... in the second hospital.
So when I got there they put me in the hemodynamics room ...
which is where they do the procedures.
I remember putting me on a stretcher ...
and to have opened my arms ...
they open the arms to have access for the anesthesia ...
the catheter enters the arm ... another enters the femur ...
by the femoral region actually ... it enters through the bone ...
by the femoral ...
and when they opened my arms... this way... in that position of crucifixion ...
everything blacked out
I simply blacked out.
Blacked out ...
but...
that's when I saw ...
what I remember as being the first thing I saw ...
[I remember] that I saw the ambulance coming ...
that ambulance in which I was being transported ...
but I was not seeing inside the ambulance, I was not above the ambulance ... I was above the city of Fortaleza.
In 2000 I do not remember having access to images like these.
Today is very common ... you can see them because you access Google Earth ...
and many others satellite images.
But at the time it was not common ... I do not remember having seen this.
But I clearly remember that I saw the buildings ... above ... the roofs ...
and I saw an ambulance coming ... on the street ... on two streets I know.
On João Pessoa street, entering Domingos Olímpio street.
They are avenues of Fortaleza.
And I saw this ambulance ...
and I did not see myself inside the ambulance, but I knew it was me who was there.
And I saw all this... after the ambulance had already been there.
It is as if time in my state was not a linear thing.
There was no linearity in time ...
I just...
when I opened my arms and I did not feel anything anymore ... and I saw that.
And it was like a dream ... a nightmare ...
people find it common ... people have dreams swimming ... diving ... hours and hours ... flying ...
This dream of mine was a dream in which I was flying and I saw the ambulance passing by ...
and I was the one who was inside it ... I could not see who was inside the ambulance,
but I was aware that it was me who was there.
You're saying it was like a dream.
But was it like a dream or did you feel it to be a reality?
I find it unlikely that I have dreamed this ... unlikely because of the details.
What details?
The rooftops ... the ambulance ... the streets ...
There are some details that ... I do not know ...
I do not believe it was a dream.
Besides that I saw myself inside the room [in the hospital]...
I mean I also saw myself down there ...
It's not that I ...
I'm not a person who usually looks in the mirror ...
I don't have a well-defined physical idea of how I am ...
I do not stand in front of the mirror ...
in our conversation today ...
I combed my hair ...
but in our first conversation I had not even combed it.
I don't care about it.
So I don't have a clear idea of how I am.
I think people are like that too.
Today not so much, because today you see yourself in several photos ... etc ...
but before it was not so common.
Going on ... in that vision you had of a recent past ...
that you saw from above ... an aerial image ...
the ambulance going through the streets...
Did you right after see yourself inside the hemodynamics room in the second hospital?
I can not assure ... that this happened in a sequence.
I do not know if I was already seeing myself ...
and suddenly it's like I've seen myself there ...
and I went out to look for me.
Even though I was there ... physically.
I can not conclude ... in my brain ... that there was a sequence of time ...
that it was one thing and then another ...
but I remember those images ... they are strong ...
and another thing is that I felt that I was seeing the people who were there with me lying down there ...
I think it was me ... because as I said I can not identify it was me ...
and I felt the presence of a female figure ...
my mother is very Catholic ... she made a promise to Our Lady of Fatima ... I do not know ...
but I felt the presence ...
I'm not saying that's it ...
that's a deity ... I'm not saying that ...
even because ... I did not say it before but I consider myself an agnostic ... a theistic agnostic ...
I really believe everything...
and I doubt everything.
I have this thing with me ... at least rationally ...
I believe in everything but I doubt everything.
For me nothing is decided.
Anyway, there were these people ...
and there was ... as I told you before ...
a female presence and two male presences who were none of the physical people who were there.
I felt this presence ... they were two men and one woman ...
I do not know if ... I do not know ...
because I did not see them ...
I just felt they were there.
Can you explain a little bit more what is this feeling?
You ... or the people who are going to watch this ...
have you ever felt that someone was looking at you behind your back?
And then you turned around and there was really someone watching you?
This feeling is like this ... I'm here ...
I feel like someone's watching me...
I turn around and there's someone watching me.
There's a person watching me.
The sensation is just like this ...
the feeling of a presence ...
but in this case it was as if someone was watching me ...
and when I turned around I did not find anyone watching me.
There was no one ...
there was no physical person there.
That's what I felt.
And what happened ... after this ...
suddenly I did not see those people anymore ...
I was not flying over anymore ...
and I felt myself falling on my back ...
falling on my back.
as if I were falling into a large well ... black ... without any light ...
and I opened my legs and struggled ...
trying to grab me on the wall of the well.
And that's when I felt the greatest pain of this process ...
that for me was not the pain I felt at my arrival at the hospital...
when I started to feel the first cramps ... until you got to the hospital.
This was not the biggest pain I felt.
The biggest pain I felt ...
I even jokingly say ... I think everyone should feel this pain at least once in their life ...
to go through such a process ...
that is the pain of you losing yourself.
My father had died about a year ... approximately.
A little more than a year.
And I really felt the loss of my father.
I felt the pain that is to know that my father will no longer be with me tomorrow.
I felt very ... very much ... this pain.
But ... when I was falling ...
You know... since the beginning I thought I was not going to die ... I had this certainty ...
a conviction that I would not die.
I would go to sleep ... the pain would end ...
They would do something to me and I would be fine.
but when I came to feel... at that moment ...
that I was falling on my back and I tried to grab on the walls of the well ...
which was totally dark ... dark, dark ...
I started to feel like I was losing myself.
At that moment I was going to extinguish ...
I was going to be extinct ...
I was nomore going to...
see my family ... my friends... I was not going to live this life ... that is so common for us.
Explain me a little better this feeling of extinction.
Was it about this life ...
and you felt that you were going ... to another place ...
and that you would not have this life anymore ...
or was it a fear of total and absolute extinction?
I ... I told you before ... I'm not really sure what this extinction was ...
but I knew I would not have ...
at first I would no longer have my life as I have it today.
Or like I had back then.
I would not be with those people anymore.
I would not have ... my daughter ... my wife ... at the time ...
my friends, the friends that I have ...
I would not have.
My life ... I would not have that life anymore ...
that specific ... life.
That life.
And the pain I felt was the pain that I was going to be extinguished ... that I ...
The "Paulo Cesar" ... the being Paulo Cesar would not exist anymore.
And this pain ... it overcomes the pain of angina ..
overcomes the pain that I felt in the body ...
it's a loss that ...
I remember when my father died...
and I saw him inside the coffin ... his dead body ...
I felt like ripping my chest.
And this pain of extinction was greater than that pain.
It was a pain so ...
it was a rational pain.
It was hurting so much.
Well ...
suddenly I felt as if a hand ... a big hand caught me in the back ...
I believe that ... partly ... it was because of the shocks that I took to reanimate ... the defibrillator ...
but I felt myself being rescued of that well ... dark ...
and I woke up.
What makes you feel it was a hand?
The feeling ... let's imagine you left something ... a leaf ... in the water ...
I think this example is the best I can find ...
If you have a leaf in the water ...
not a leaf ... let's say ... a flower petal ... a delicate thing ...
you put your hand ... you put your hand under it and lift it up.
It has to have a delicacy, there is a way to get it... not hurting it, not damaging it ...
I felt this behind my back ... it was not a ... rough thing ...
it was not as if someone had passed ropes and hauled me up.
Did you feel something touching you?
Yes.
I possibly felt the fingers ... and they were huge.
Did you feel they were fingers?
Yes ... a hand ... like a hand ... a big hand ...
that got me ... that's the way it happened... it's been a long time since that ... 18 years ago ...
but these feelings sometimes I still have ...
I still remember them ...
Not the pain, because the pain we can not remember ... the physical pain.
The pain of extinction ...
I've told this story so many times ...
I have told to several people ...
Solange was the person who watches your channel and who suggested me ...
I think this story is so cool ... I tell so many people about this story ...
I tell it specially because I think the great culprit was the cigarette ...
but about this ... let's say it's ...
to try to convince people to change their minds.
But it's not only that ... it's because I think it's an experience I've lived ... and that some people ...
you begin to see the world in another way.
And that hand that caught me was a hand.
It was a hand ... I do not if right or left, but it was a hand.
The feeling I had is like it was a hand that got me.
I think my mother ... my father carried me as a baby ... sometimes like this ...
they carried me like that.
But it was a hand.
then I woke up ... and the doctor ...
I woke up and said ... "this is a dream."
I yelled ... "this is a dream".
then he came and said ... "this is a nightmare ... you calm down" ...
"you calm down ... everything is under control."
and he spoke to me in such a powerful voice ... so firm ...
that I could only obey that man.
There was no way not to obey him.
So I calmed down ... and I slept.
What medical procedure was done in you in that room?
They call it primary angioplasty.
Actually it's this ... I had three vascular accidents ... in my heart.
One of them was a 100% accident ...
It was the one that killed me ...
another one was 60% and another... 20%.
In the 100% accident they did a catheterization ...
after they revived me ... because I really ...
Did you had a cardiac arrest?
I had a cardiac arrest inside the hemodynamics room ...
I did not have it at home or on the way.
I had it inside ... I was surrounded by medical doctors ...
and it was at that moment that my heart stopped ...
they say it stopped for about 4 to 5 minutes ...
until they were able to reanimate me ... through the electroshocks ...
and after being revived ...
they put the catheter ...
and ... a little balloon ... that they put there ... it opens the clot site ...
and they placed a stent.
Actually I have a stent ... in this vascular accident ... of 100%.
It was what really stopped [my heart]... and ...
Well ... as ... a consequence ... 10% of heart does not work.
I believe that my cardiac arrest happened when I was already with my arms open ...
and being prepared for hemodynamic procedures ...
because they need ... they put one catheter bin the arm and another ... in the femur ... in the femoral.
And that was when I had my cardiac arrest ...
and I had this resuscitation ... rather, reanimation.
I remember that after ... he told me to calm down ... I calmed down .
When I opened my eyes ... there was a blonde lady ...
When did you open your eyes? How long afterwards?
I did not know yet.
But was it right after? ... Did you sleep for a day or something like that?
No ... I think it was the other day ...
It was the other day ... I was sedated ... so that they could do the procedure they sedated me.
I remember that I woke up with the lady passing the car key on my feet ...
and here is another interesting thing ...
she told me ... "stay calm" ... everyone tells you to calm down ...
but I believe [I woke up] not because she touched me with the key ...
I think they had reduced the drug that was making me sleep.
they must have left me in an induced coma ... or something like that.
Then I woke up ... this lady was passing the key [on my feet]...
then she told me ... "calm down" ...
[and she asked me ...] "Do you know who I am?" And I said ... "Yes, you are my anesthetist."
These were the first things I said ... my first words ...
"I know ... you're my anesthetist."
And she asked me ... "How do you know I'm your anesthetist?"
And I said ... "Because you were smiling ... to me."
When was she smiling?
During the procedure.
when I was ... receiving the shocks ...
I saw the people smiling.
There is this detail ...
she told me ... "how did you see my smile if I did not take off the mask?"
I saw the smile of the people.
I attribute it [their smile] to the happiness of my return to life.
That's why I say that time ... is different ...
the perception of time in this event ... in my event ...
is a totally different perception.
You were watching from above that procedure...
as if you were near the ceiling?
Where was your vision?
... from above ... I think ...
by the size [of the things] I was not so close to the ceiling ...
But you saw your body ...
in that moment you saw those three ... you felt the presence of those three people ...
you saw the procedure of the people [the medical doctors]...
And you could see her smile.
despite her mask.
Hers and other people's smile.
I felt as if they were smiling at me.
Did you feel ... their smile ...
or did you see their smile as if they were not wearing a mask?
It was as if they were not wearing a mask.
I saw as if they were not using a mask.
Look ...
There are many people [the doctors] that you don't know ...
and that are ... over you ...
over you...
and it's all very scary too ...
that's why you think it's a dream ...
that's why I thought it was a dream ...
and very scary.
But those people were smiling ... and I saw them smiling.
I saw the person smiling from above. asking that
I believe they smiled because ... the guy who was dying ... was no longer dying.
The beep was back ... he came back.
Throughout life, everyone has a linearity of time ...
events happen ... in a very linear way ...
but I can not remember if these events happened sequentially.
That's why I tell you ...
"Oh ... I was watching ... watching me there in the van ... down there ..."
"in the ambulance."
But was that before I saw ... or feel the people [inside the hospital]?
I'm not sure about that.
I can not say that ... I first saw myself ... coming ... later I saw myself there ... feeling.
It's not that I think I've dreamed.
But what I remember ... what I registered ...
it was ... like it was a dream.
In a dream you fly...
in a dream you dive ...
when you dream you produce images ... trips ... everything ...
you do not have a relationship with the material world... with the physical.
You do not touch.
You do not touch.
You do not have the feeling you're touching.
I can dream that I'm running in a car at 1000 km per hour ...
[but] I do not feel the wind.
I just feel like I'm running in a car.
The feeling I know I had when I was looking from up there ...
and when I was seeing myself,
seeing people [the doctors] and feeling that there were someone else there ...
it does not have a material reference.
You commented ... or I did not get it right ...
but I got the impression you commented that you felt the fingers behind you ...
that big hand.
I really felt that.
I felt that.
But it was not a normal size finger.
They were fingers ... so ... giants ...
they got me here.
That was the feeling.
It was a touch.
It was as if someone raised me.
It was a delicate touch.
I had this feeling ... the feeling of the fingers on my back.
About the sensation of being flying ... of having wind ... of having sun ...
the feeling of being hovering over ... over me who was down there ... over the team ...
because the ceiling ... it's like ...
there is no ceiling height.
you do not have the ceiling limit.
you're up there... that's all.
And with a very interesting view because ... it's like ...
I do not know...
It's like you're really floating.
But I didn't feel myself floating.
I use the word "float" because it's the reference I have, but I did not feel I was floating ...
I was just watching ... but it was not floating.
Did you feel you had a body, besides your vision?
A second body ... let's put in this way ... or were you just a vision?
I was just a vision ...
as if it were a dream ...
and there was the feeling that there was someone else...
I mean... those three people ...
who I felt were there.
This feeling is a presence ...
it is not a physical sensation.
It's a presence.
Like when someone is watching you ... and you look ...
because you feel that someone is watching you ... and when you look... there is really someone watching you.
About the time, you have already said that you felt that it was quite different ... it was not linear.
Did you feel the same about space?
Was it different ... in some way?
There was no space.
There was not.
The vision I had is very striking ... what I saw ... what I recorded in my mind...
I could not see ...
It's not like being in this room,
where I look at the walls and I know I cannot go there and I cannot go there.
It was as if I did not have this limitation ...
there was not such a prohibition.
So it is not this space.
What kind of prohibition do you mean?
I can not walk through the door without me opening the door.
I am sure about that.
For example ... when I was above me ... above the medical team ...
I was at a height that could be the same height as the buildings.
When I was flying over the buildings ...
and I saw the ambulance and I was aware that I was inside it ... but I did not see myself ... inside the ambulance ...
I was at a height ... let's say ... next to the height of the buildings ... but I was also watching the medical team.
but this second situation was at a much lower height.
So there was no ceiling ...
there isn't this space reference.
It was as if I went out of my physical condition ...
and stood there ... watching.
It was not that you were moving from one situation to the other ...
all of a sudden you were in one ... and suddenly you were somewhere else?
Yes ... I was suddenly in one or the other [situation].
I did not feel leaving point A and going to point B.
There is no such notion of space A and B.
You said something that in a certain way is unprecedented ...
this thing you've seen ... you've seen yourself out of the body ...
being dream or not, it does not matter ...
but you have seen your past ... your recent past ...
it's not that you've seen scenes from the past ... that you've seen the movie of your life ...
no ... you saw something that had just happened ...
as if it had a lapse of time or something like that.
This is very interesting ... this I had never heard of until now.
Considering that feeling that maybe you were dreaming ...
did you feel that you were Paulo Cesar ...
that you had mastery over your reasoning?
I was aware that ... that person who was there was me.
It's interesting, is not it?
I was sure it was me lying there on the stretcher, I knew it was me.
But if I was Paulo Cesar ... with the whole story of Paulo Cesar ... I didn't have enough time to know that.
About the ambulance, I had the feeling that I was inside the ambulance ...
but I did not see myself...
With regard to these three presences ...
Did you feel that you knew them?
The male ones, yes.
The male ones, yes.
One of them could be my father ...
who had already passed away.
another one could be Marcos ...
Marquinhos ... a friend of mine ... he was cardiopat ... who died while doing exams ...
I'm not sure but ... I kind of identified them.
I do not know if ... I do not know ... I can not say how.
The woman, certainly no.
The female figure I do not know who she was.
I can not tell who she was.
Has this had any impact in your life, in the sensory aspect?
That is...
have your senses become sharper?
Has something changed?
It's very interesting ... one thing changed.
I did not like crab ... but in Fortaleza ... we eat crab every Thursday.
After 15 days [from NDE] I felt a crazy urge to eat crab.
A need to eat crab and today the crabs fear me.
There's something that happens ... which is interesting ...
sometimes ... I feel that something will work ...
and sometimes I feel like it will not work.
This intuition did not you have before?
No, I did not ... if I did, I did not have the perception of it ... I would not ...
But...
today for some things I say ... "it will work" ... I feel that it will work.
In short ... about my NDE ...
The awareness I had that I was being extinguished ... extinguishing me ...
is what may have become more marked in my consciousness.
I'm sure it was an NDE.
I'm sure about that.
Why was it an NDE?
Because that guy there was dead.
That body was dead.
One thing that I understood in this process ...
is that I do not have a physical reference of it ...
then it's like a dream.
I do not have control of it, I do not have control about flying.
What I did not understand until now ... rationally ... is ...
why would I be flying over Fortaleza looking at an ambulance ...
and feeling that I was down there.
I felt it.
I also can not understand this:
when I was hovering over my body ...
hovering over the team that was there [at the hospital] doing those things ...
[how could I] be aware that ... even not identifying that face as mine ...
that it was me?
In fact, every moment I knew that it was me.
I felt, I was sure ...
And... how come I had the conviction that I was not going to die ...
and then I lost that conviction and I came to the conviction that I was dying ...
they are two different things ...
but ... only the feeling was of a dream.
I already tried to ... think ... really, my brain could have produced all that ...
but it's hard to think that a brain can produce ...
a smile behind a mask.
Especially when this brain is four minutes...
Four minutes without oxygen ...
I had loss of heart tissue.
My brain is really cool and it is the last one [to suffer] ...
but I had physical losses in that process.
Paulo Cesar ... and after ...
after that experience ... has anything happened that has caught your attention?
Yes.
It was another fact ... which I consider to be also an NDE ...
but in this case I do not remember what happened during the experience itself ...
I just got the feedback from the person who actually went through the NDE.
Oh ... the person who went through the NDE ... so ... it was an experience related to an NDE lived by someone else ... is that right?
Related to an NDE lived by someone else.
Related to an NDE lived by someone else.
In the second part of Paulo Cesar's report ...
which will be published two weeks after this part ...
he tells us about a near-death experience ...
that one of his colleagues at work had ... in which he appeared.
That is ... he ... totally alive appeared in someone else's NDE.
There are many pieces in this puzzle, is not it?
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