welcome back to this special edition of Hannity Trump's big week while President
Trump continues to make huge foreign policy gains in the Korean Peninsula and
beyond the molar witch-hunt continues at home
Kimberly Strasse lat the Wall Street Journal is out with a bombshell new
piece titled what about that FBI source did the
bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign joining me now
to explain more from The Wall Street Journal is the author of that piece Kim
Strasse Kim thank you so much for joining us
give us the quick synopsis of what you've found and why this is so pivotal
and so unusual at this setting well looked up until last week all we knew
was the House Intelligence chairman Devin newness had initiated a new line
of inquiry and was demanding new documents from the Department of Justice
but then in their desire to make chairman newness look bad and justify
why they were not giving those documents someone in the government leaked a lot
of details about what was happening it turns out he's asking about a top secret
government source who has worked for the FBI and the CIA who is a US citizen
would seem to have some sort of entanglement with foreign intelligence
agencies or maybe it's based overseas and based on all those bread crumbs and
some reporting I've got a pretty good sense of who it is and it does look as
though indeed there was an FBI attempt a successful one to basically go out and
spy with a human asset on the Trump campaign no what about the timing right
the timing about that all of this is Caribbean critical do we understand the
timing and what are the implications for that yeah it's so important because
remember the FBI has been dogged ly sticking with this story that what
initiated this counterintelligence probe was a tip that they got in July about
this supposed drunken conversation of a junior campaign aide named George
papadopolis well if for any reason we find out that this
this asset of theirs was in fact surveilling or spying on the Trump
campaign prior to that time then they've got an issue right because that's no
longer their origin story and they must have had something else that they were
basing this on whether it be the dossier or some other information that they were
using as a reason to go out and surveil the Trump campaign now how are we going
to figure out the solution of this being every time trey Gowdy and Devin Nunez
and others go over to the Department of Justice they get the stiff arm even
though there's subpoenas in place how do they actually figure this out we we have
a great piece in the journal today by a former FBI officer just talking and his
job was in fact to fulfill congressional requests talking about how obnoxious and
outrageous it is that the Department of Justice is not complying with civil
requests much less subpoenas from Congress and the fact by the way that
they didn't give this information over to Chairman newness all the way last
year when he said he was investigating the FBI's conduct is really pretty
striking but look they're gonna have to Congress as a body and the good news is
chairman Yunus looks to have the backing of all the leadership and the other
members in the Republican Party make it clear that if the Department of Justice
does not turn this over that they will move to contempt and with any luck also
the White House is putting out the message that they need to cooperate and
hand over documents but has it I thought the White House was actually backing up
the Department of Justice at this point weren't they
well it's interesting the Department of Justice made quite a big deal in its
letter back to Chairman newness about how it had this had all been done in
consultation with the White House but curiously it did agree to sit down with
Chairman newness and I think probably they have the order to accommodate him
in some way they're still trying to do it without getting out of having to hand
over actual documents but as that is what Chairman newness and others are
actually after it would seem that's what they're gonna need to hand over to
fulfill that request yeah you know what I as one who's actually been over to the
Department of Justice and sat in those meetings and listened to these blowhards
tell me how Congress has no right to see this stuff and
I gotta tell you it really is offensive and at what point do does the
Constitution actually come into play I mean they don't they give lip service to
oversight but here they are leaking I mean that's pretty well documented that
they're leaking but what is it that they think they can't and shouldn't show to
Congress which is the essentially the American people look you know this
better than anyone we have processes in place whereby Congress gets to oversee
the executive branch they can't just say give us everything they have to have
specific cause reason things that they're looking for and as this piece we
ran today made clear when those cases came up the Department of Justice's
always helped and been and been good about it and we also have processes
whereby in particular the gang of eight right senior members of our intelligence
committees the leadership can see anything in a classified situation so
any arguments that this should be off-limits are completely bogus and
people should read them for what they are which is an attempt by the
Department of Justice and the FBI it would seem to protect something that
they simply don't want people to know because it might prove embarrassing yeah
and that's really at the heart of it they proves embarrassing and I got to
tell you from my vantage point having been there every member of Congress both
sides of the aisle by the way ought to be standing behind Devin Oona's and trey
Gowdy and John Radcliffe and those investigators that are going in there
senator Grassley for instance but Kim Strasse was a great piece in The Wall
Street Journal she's one of the best best writers out there and best
reporters so thank you for joining us tonight and thanks for that great piece
that you put out and a new report raising questions about whether former
deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe could actually soon face criminal charges
The Washington Post reporting federal investigators recently interviewed
former FBI director James Comey as part of a probe into whether his mckay
whether mccade lied to investigators reviewing the FBI's probe of Hillary
Clinton's email server I'm joined now by chemstro sole Wall Street Journal
editorial board member and Fox News contributor great to see you as always
it's very interesting that James Comey was interviewed part of the probe and
questioning of Comey was to determine whether Andrew McCabe his former deputy
had committed a crime by lying to federal agents so is McCabe
about to be charged criminally well we don't know but I think people should be
very reassured that Kony has been interviewed that prosecutors are being
so thorough in going through this because look Julie I think a lot of
Americans they worry that there's been two standards of justice in the country
Andrew McCabe has very much tried to make this sound as though this is his
critics trying to undermine him the Muller probe in fact what this is is
trying to hold the same standard you've got a criminal referral from the
Inspector General he did a thorough investigation now prosecutors are
following up and seeing if there's anything to those accusations yeah I
mean there's a lot to it the question is you know is there going to be charges we
don't know but lying we do know to the FBI is a crime so McCabe was not
forthcoming in regard to handling of the FBI's probe
he also misled both investigators and Comey multiple times about a media
disclosure or authorization Makeba said he didn't intentionally mislead anyone
does he have evidence to back that up well that's gonna be one of the
questions that they're looking at they're gonna be looking at commis
credibility by the way because at least some of that referral was based on
commis claims that mccabe had not been honest to him so that's that he said he
said event and the prosecutors are going to be evaluating that all right so then
about the statement he issued after he was fired because I think the
credibility factor comes in here he said at the time this attack on my
credibility is just one part of a larger effort not just to slander me personally
but to taint the FBI law enforcement and intelligence professionals more
generally it's not just McCabe's credibility in question though here I
mean it is the FBI's after its former director James Comey leaked information
to the press well think about how many people have been put in jail by the FBI
for lying to them whether those people intentionally lied or not that's not
necessarily the standard and we have so much evidence at the moment
bad judgment of by the FBI and 2016 when it comes to the FISA warrant its
obtained to the leaks that came out and there is very good reason for people to
be looking into the FBI's conduct and holding people accountable to the same
standards everyone else has held to all right I also want to ask you before I
let you go about your Wall Street Journal piece I mean you raise an
interesting question many of them on Papa dollar and Papadopoulos his role in
starting the FBI's probe into Russian election interference what are you
saying well I think there's two important things that we now know that I
put in the column one we never really understood how information about that
Papadopoulos meeting with Alexander Downer who was the Australian ambassador
to the UK made its way to the FBI we've now discovered that it didn't
necessarily go through usual intelligence channels but rather it ran
through the US Embassy in Britain which means that it was in the possession of
the Obama State Department and that raises a lot of important questions
about whether or not politics was involved in any way in pushing this
information on the FBI and I think the other thing that's important is we now
have an account from Alexander Downer himself saying that he didn't
necessarily pass along to the FBI anything about what Papadopoulos said in
terms of emails he just said the guys that had said that he had some damaging
information that the Russians might have damaging information on Hillary Clinton
and that's important because the FBI has said that they were alarmed that
Papadopoulos might have known about these emails before anyone else did and
it doesn't sound like he talked about that at all yeah this morning the
president tweeted that the AP has just reported the Russian hoax investigation
has now cost our government over 17 million dollars and going up fast no
collusion except by the Democrats your reaction yeah well there has been no
proof so far I mean we've been doing this now for more than 18 months
numerous congressional committees inspector generals are now looking into
it there's been probes by mr. Muller no one yet has produced any public
evidence of collusion between the campaign and Russia and I think at a
certain point everyone in America is owed an end to this and some answers
all right Kim Strasse thank you very much great to see you have a great
weekend thank you after an intense three-day manhunt the accused killer of
a sheriff's deputy finally caught the latest coming up
Plus president Trump considering more pardons as some leading Democrats
questioned his motives behind the moves Karl Rove will be here to weigh in next
Fox News Alert and just in a few moments we're gonna be hearing from the
President of the United States he will be speaking at the US Coast Guard
change-of-command ceremony I'm told the Department of Homeland Security
Secretary Nielsen has prepared some remarks and will be introducing the
president and then we will be hearing from President Trump and when that
happens we'll take you to it live so just a few minutes away this was a
vindictive political hit that was kind of aimed at putting me out of business
essentially making destroying my credibility making making it impossible
for me to make movies write books in that sense it failed but it still left a
cloud over me I would be a lifelong felon I would never be able to vote and
never have my full rights and so I'm very grateful to president Trump for
giving me those rights back that is conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza
who was convicted of violating campaign finance laws in 2014 and pardoned
yesterday by President Trump the president says he's also considering a
pardon for Martha Stewart and commuting the prison sentence of former Illinois
governor Rod Blagojevich while some Democrats claim the president's actions
are politically motivated Karl Rove joins me now former deputy chief of
staff president george w bush and a fox news contributor Karl thanks for being
with us I was wondering - a tweet from Senator Mark Warner from yesterday he
said the president's ad hoc use of the pardon power is concerning enough with
the possibility that he may also be sending a message to witnesses in a
criminal investigation into his campaign is extremely dangerous in the United
States of America no one is above the law your reaction to that tweet well I
think is a little over the top article 2 section 2 of the Constitution
does give the president of United States a virtually unlimited power to grant
reprieves and pardons for any offense except those connected with impeachment
so it is a broad power and at like any virtually unlimited power we ought to be
cautious about it so the president in going forward needs
to be cautious about it but criticizing him for the use of this power also ought
to be people ought to be cautious about it well take a look at what for example
wanting one I'm sorry go ahead well take a look at one of his recent pardons
Dinesh D'Souza was found guilty of making multiple contributions in the
name of others to a candidate personal friend of Israel's running for the US
Senate now when people make multiple donations typically what happens is is
that if they're if those are discovered they are charged they are fined but in
donessa case they sent him to jail was very
unusual I don't know of a single other case where this happened and including
ones where it where the sums of money were much much larger so the president
might have said look this is this was handled with a far more larger penalty
than it should have and I'm gonna relieve him of that another example this
is an even better one scooter libby think about scooter libby whom the
president granted a pardon to earlier this year between the time that scooter
libby was found guilty and today we found out the following first of all the
principal witness against him judith miller realized that she had been
deliberately misled by the special prosecutor's office and and and and
driven in a direction of giving misleading testimony and she recanted
her testimony the DDC Bar Association had a committee look at the at the
incident and recommended that he does law license be reinstituted which the DC
courts reinstated which a huge rebuke to the special prosecutor so there were
sevens is an evidence there there was a miscarriage of justice
president he'll serve it's also worth pointing out that every president issues
pardons President Obama should 212 Clinton 396 FDR nearly 3000 it's an
official expression of forgiveness and it's often political is it not yes but
you got to be careful about it take for example the
enormous criticism that President Clinton got over the last-minute pardon
to mark rich who had fled the country for financial crimes whose wife was a
major Democratic fundraiser who had given tremendous amounts of money to the
Clintons into the Clinton efforts and in the closing moments of his time in
office he granted a pardon there was no support in the little did
the Justice Department or in the prosecutorial community I think the
president would have the same problem with rod Blagojevich the former governor
of Illinois who sent to prison for doing things like requesting a $50,000
contribution before he would approve a expenditure to a hospital on whose board
the donor set so that we got the president needs to be careful about this
there needs to be a justification for this this needs to be a process there
needs to be support within the Department of Justice and inside his
counsel's office and a reasonable explanation that this is being done for
good reason and good cause we appreciate your time Carl
you
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