HEATHER PARRY: We can grow in our faith and understand how
much God loves us, and can know the victory that He wants us to
know, and come to know Jesus in a personal way, to know
how deeply He loves us and that we have hope in Him.
(Singing) I know my God has made the way for me.
I know my God has made the way for me.
KENNETH: Hello, everybody. We're Kenneth and Gloria
Copeland. This is the Believer's Voice of Victory
broadcast as all of you know. And all this week, we're talking
about and listening to testimonies from our partners.
GLORIA: Praise God. KENNETH: Amen. GLORIA: Oh, that's
exciting. KENNETH: It has been so exciting. I mean, it's just
been one victory right after another. GLORIA: The Word works!
KENNETH: Amen. And that's what makes this so important, because
as we already talked about, meditation and testimonies
expand your--your vision, your-- GLORIA: Yes, that's right.
KENNETH: What you vision, what you see in your mind, is
extremely important because that's where hope is developed
out of the Word of--real Bible hope. GLORIA: Yes. KENNETH: When
you hear people say, "Well, I sure hope so," no, that's
wishing. But real Bible hope says, "Yeah, this is going to
come to pass." How do you do that? Well, it comes from the
Word building an inner image on the inside of you, and you begin
to get that over to your mind, and then faith comes as part of
that, brings it to pass. Well, when you hear other people give
their stories, it expands. GLORIA: Oh, yeah. KENNETH: It is
so vitally important. Praise God. So, we're going to get
right into this. You--you're going to enjoy this. Watch this.
DWIGHT SIMAN: I'm Dwight Siman. I'm from Regina, Saskatchewan. I
became Christian in May 1985. I was out actually at a business
rally, and it was a Sunday morning service that was held
during our business rally. And from that point on, I started--I
heard about KCM. I don't know if I--how I even--whether I saw it
on TV or whether I saw something, but I really liked
Kenneth's message. It was a very direct, hard-hitting message. I
loved that. And I feel like--I've never met Kenneth
Copeland myself, but I feel like I know the man, and Gloria and
his kids, because I've listened to all their--at one point in
time, their cassette tapes, and then they moved on to CDs and
now it's downloads. But I listen to them constantly. And I just
feel like I've heard every story he's ever told. The friends you
have, the books you read, the material you listen to, the
programs you watch, you're a product of that. And we have
control over that. And association is the biggest one.
There's lots of ways to associate with people. You know,
people say, "Well, I can't associate with Kenneth
Copeland." Yes, you can. You can download his CDs, you can bring
his tapes home, and you can associate with him, because the
Word of God that Kenneth is preaching is all on--it's truth.
It's all on truth. And speaking the Word of God and having
faith, every message every preaches on faith, and I love
that. And it's a reminder that I need on a constant basis. I
guess it started when I had a partner in business with me, who
ended up in the prison in Regina. It's a "two year less a
day" facility. He had some drug issues, and--and he didn't
request that I would see him, but I felt the call to go visit
him and speak with him because he was a member of our church as
well. I had to get vetted out because he didn't invite me in.
I had to get vetted out by the RCP and by the prison chaplain.
So after a period of about three weeks, I was allowed in to go
see him, and I visited with him for about an hour. And on the
way out, the chaplain of the prison met me and said, "Who
would you like to see next?" I was a bit shocked, taken aback
because I wasn't prepared for that. But she did say, "You're
here to help, are you not?" And I said, "I guess so." And she
proceeded to ask if I would take over a once-a-month preaching on
a Sunday night chapel service. And that was the start of the
prison ministry. And we built a team around that, through the
rectory of a number of--of elders and other members of the
church who had come in with me to help preach on one Sunday
night every month. After going to the prison, I find out that
the Bibles are in extremely short supply, that they just
didn't have any materials. If the inmates wanted one, it would
take three weeks, a month, six weeks to get a Bible into their
hands. And they had to prove themselves. It wasn't easy to
get a Bible. So I said, "I'm going to start bringing Bibles."
And I traveled quite a bit in the U.S. at that point in time,
and I stopped at all the discount bookstores and bought
everything they had as far as the $1 or $2 or $3 Bibles,
whatever I could get my hands on, and distributed them. And
they were met with great enthusiasm, that we could preach
the Word and give the men something to take back to their
cells, that they could carry on with their study. These people
that are in the prisons are--that come to these chapel
services, this is really--they're ready. They
really want to receive. And they're quite open. You know,
when we're preaching and we're giving them the Word of God and
asking them to accept Jesus, they're very open. After a few
years of that every month, I contacted Kenneth Copeland
Ministries in Langley, B.C., and asked if they had a ministry for
the prison and if they would help out with the Bibles. And
the gentleman at that time said, "Absolutely." And they started
supplying, every month, about 60 Bibles for me to take into the
prison. And they've been supplying them ever since, as
well as other materials, the BVOV magazine, which is very
well received, and the "Faith to Faith" journals. They love that.
That's a great book. And whenever I bring a case of those
in, they disappear in a hurry. Those men that are there,
they're looking for answers. They're at the lowest point in
their life, most of them, and they're ready for change. And
we're seeing a lot of conversions, a lot of people
accepting Jesus for the first time. A couple of them have
attended our church since. So we have some really good stories.
The Copelands have been a huge impact in my walk of faith.
They've provided me with material that I could listen to
on a daily basis, and I do. And that has strengthened
me tremendously in my walk with the Lord.
KENNETH: Now, I want you to listen again to
something that Dwight said. "You are a product of
the friends you have, the books you read, the
materials you listen to." Oh, my. GLORIA: That's a story.
KENNETH: That is absolutely the truth. And here's the thing of
it is: It's your choice. There is nobody forcing any--and it's
not just for somebody that's in prison. No, no, no, no. The
reason they're in prison is because they're a product of the
friends you have, the books you read, and the materials you
listen to. And if you want to come out of there, you're going
to have to change the friends you have, the books you read,
and materials you listen to. Amen. To change anything, you
cannot--this is the definition of "insanity": You cannot
continue to do the same thing, say the same thing, associate
with the same people, read the same books, and expect to get a
different outcome. GLORIA: Different result. KENNETH: Yeah,
because everything--you understand? Everything--Jesus
said, "Everything--the whole kingdom of God is as if--as a
man casts a seed into the ground." Everything you do and
say is a seed. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."
What you do unto others is what others do unto you. GLORIA:
That's right. KENNETH: I mean, that--you can't change that. But
you can change the friends you have, the books you read--
GLORIA: Yeah, that's right. KENNETH: --the materials you
listen to. GLORIA: And thus change the outcome. KENNETH: You
can change the outcome. Now, let--oh, yeah, thank You, Lord.
Thank You for that. Let me go right quick to this. This is in
the 13th chapter of the book of Matthew, where Jesus said--now
listen to what He--what He said here. "For this people's heart
is waxed gross, their ears are dull of hearing, their eyes they
have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
hear with their ears, understand with their heart, should be
converted, I should heal them." Anytime. Anytime. Now, you go
down to the 19th verse, "When anyone hears the word of the
kingdom--" Now, let's--the Lord showed me this years ago. And
I--I drew it out in my Bible like this, where it said,
"If--at any time--" Say, "Anytime." GLORIA: Anytime.
KENNETH: "--they should see the word of the kingdom with their
eyes, and hear the Word of the kingdom with their ears, and
understand the Word of the kingdom with their heart, and
be--should be converted, I should heal them." GLORIA: Yeah.
KENNETH: What do you mean by "converted"? That means to
change, you're converted from one thing to another. So, what?
You have converted--you've changed what you see. You
changed what you hear, and you--it's converted you. It's
changed the way you see things-- GLORIA: Yes. KENNETH: --the way
you hear things, the way you talk, the way you act. And it
changes everything. But it's the Word of the kingdom that does
it. Now, this is important. "Well, I tried to change,
Brother Copeland, and I couldn't." I know it. You can't.
I can't, either. Nobody can. But the Word of the kingdom can
change you, see. "Well, people just don't change." Oh, yeah,
they do. But, it takes the Word of God to change them. Even
born-again people, they've been changed on the inside. They're
truly born again. They accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior.
They're a different being on the inside, as we talked about
yesterday. But, you can be born again, thoroughly gone--born
again, going to heaven when you--when you depart here. But
if your mind's not renewed-- GLORIA: Yep. KENNETH: --the--and
when you got born again, if--you know, if--your body didn't
change. The Scripture says, in the book of Hebrews, you're
going to have--you're going to have to get in the Word of God
and train this body to think a different way, by the renewing
of your mind. Amen. But when you do that, it starts changing
everything. Starts on the inside out. GLORIA: Praise God.
KENNETH: Isn't that wonderful? But-- GLORIA: Well, you became a
new creature-- KENNETH: Yeah. GLORIA: --when you made Jesus
the Lord of your life. KENNETH: Now it needs to come out.
GLORIA: Mm-hmm. That's right. KENNETH: And the Word of God's
the only thing that'll bring it out. And I--yeah, thank You,
Lord. I'm reminded again, everything is a seed. What
you--you are a product today of what you said yesterday because
the power of life and death, blessing and cursing, is in the
authority of the tongue, the power of the tongue. So in order
to change anything, you're going to have change what you're
saying. You can't do it. You can't tame your tongue. James
said that. You can't do it on your own. But, the Word of God,
the wisdom from above, as James called it, the wisdom from
above, the written Word of God in your heart, coming out your
mouth, will change the way you think. It'll change everything.
GLORIA: Yes, it will. KENNETH: Hallelujah. GLORIA: Praise God.
KENNETH: Praise God. Heather, you better come
in here and tell us about your--tell us your story.
HEATHER PARRY: My name is Heather Parry, I
live in Eastbourne in the UK. I am a local carer
in Cayhone, just up the road. I've been a partner
with Kenneth Copeland since 1995. And I literally believe
they have saved my life through their teaching. I was brought up
to go to church regularly and also to read my Bible, which I
was grateful for. My father's a doctor, and my mother a nurse.
But it was a fairly legalistic religious background, so I
didn't really know and understand the love of God.
Through going to university, I met Christians, born-again
Christians, that really encouraged my faith. I was
introduced to KCM by a pastor, and he encouraged us to go to a
conference in Brighton. It encouraged me to have faith in
God's Word. Rather than just reading the Bible as a religious
exercise, I found that faith was what mattered, finding the
promises of God in my life, whether it's for healing or
knowing the love of God. And it brought hope. I discovered this
lump in my right breast about eight, nine years ago. And I
didn't tell anyone. I kept it secret because I just thought--I
didn't want any fuss. But I was scared. And I just thought it
might go away. I did believe God loved me, but I didn't really
know the way out. And I thought this was--I thought this was
curtains for me. I thought, you know, my life is at an end now.
But somehow through the teaching of the KCM ministry, I just kept
believing God still had a purpose for me. I went down to
my local G.P. She's a lady doctor, and she checked me over,
and she immediately referred me for a biopsy. NARRATOR: Heather
Parry was finally ready to confront this fear as the biopsy
confirmed the diagnosis of breast cancer. Heather underwent
surgery on January 9, 2009, that successfully removed the large
tumor. HEATHER: I was just coming out of the anesthetic,
and I heard--it wasn't an audible voice, but I heard a
voice--I believe it was God's voice--saying, "I want you to
think of 10 things you can thank Me for every day." And I--at
first, I was a bit shocked and kind of--wasn't exactly upset,
but I thought, "Lord, here I am in hospital. I've just had a
mastectomy, and I'm on a drip, in a bit of pain, and You're
asking me to thank You." With God's help, I did thank Him, and
I realize now that was the best advice I could have received
because it got me out of my pity party. I was feeling a bit of
self-pity at the time, and thanking God was what brought me
out. I would call a KCM office because I just needed support
and encouragement and peace. I was feeling very--you know, just
reassurance that everything was going to be all right. I never
realized before how important words were. The Proverbs said,
"Death and life are in the power of the tongue," so I believed,
as I was speaking out God's Word, He was bringing healing to
me. I went through six months of chemotherapy. I lost all my
hair, which was quite dramatic. And then radiotherapy, I went
through six weeks of radiotherapy. So again, that was
quite challenging. But God was with me through it all. When I
went for the checkups, you know, I felt the Lord say, "I don't
want you to go on Tamoxifen or any other medication. I want you
to stand on My Word as medication, because it doesn't
have any bad side effects." I did feel a bit awkward at times
because I wasn't going through the recommended method of
medication. But I felt the Lord was telling me, "Just tell the
surgeon, tell the medical staff what you're doing." And I did.
And after they checked me over, they said, "Well, whatever
you're doing, keep it up, because it seems to be working."
Well, it's seven and a half years ago now since my
diagnosis, and I'm happy to say I'm feeling fine, very well,
very fit, and enjoying life very much. I've come to know KCM as a
great family. I've been to their conferences and always get built
up. There's such a joy and such a sense of victory as the
magazine says, "voice of victory," that their teaching
has brought victory to my life. And I want to bring that to
others, and I'm thankful to them. And through reading the
promises in God's Word, through listening to broadcasts through
KCM and other faith teachings, we can grow in our faith and
understand how much God loves us and can know the victory that He
wants us to know, and come to know Jesus in a personal way, to
know how deeply He loves us and that we
have hope in Him of heaven. Heaven is our destiny,
and we can enjoy the journey on the way.
KENNETH: Now, I want to point out something that Heather
did here. Now, Gloria and I have been doing this a long time.
We've been doing this 50 years. So we've seen a lot, heard a
lot. We've fouled up ourselves and then, you know, "How come I
didn't work this right?" and that kind of thing. And this is
one that is very, very, very important. Don't ever do
anything just because someone else did it. God--His Word is
always the same. But people are different. And there are certain
thing--God knows how you are. God knows how you are. He
knows--he knows what it takes to get--His whole purpose is to get
you healed any way He can get you. "Well, why don't He just do
it?" It doesn't work like that. You and I are involved in this.
And it--He's--He's leading you, He's positioning you in a place
where He knows your faith will work and He can work right with
it and get rid of that thing. Now, she said that the Lord
directed her not to do anymore of the medical part of it. Now,
you could tell from--she said that her mother and dad are--her
dad is a doctor, her mother is a nurse. So in this area, she's
stepping out by herself from the medical community, which she'd
known all of her life. You could see why that that's going to be
the-- GLORIA: Her family's, yeah. KENNETH: --first step to
take. And she'd done that. She'd had surgery, she'd done all
these things. But, see, she's spending time with God all the
time. Now, don't you just go do it just because Heather did it.
Don't you go do something just because I did it. No. You start
out inquiring of the Lord, and you pray in the Spirit, and you
go before the Lord every day, every day, every day. The first
thing she did was get out of her pity party and get over there in
the Word and began to thank God, thank God, thank God, and praise
God. And one step at a time, He led her to this, He led her to
that, He led her here, He led her there. And now she's
totally, absolutely, completely whole and healed. GLORIA: Praise
God. KENNETH: And you can be the same thing. It may--it may come
like that, it may not. But it'll come. If you will stay in the
Word and--see, the Scripture said, in the 8th chapter of
Romans, "They that are led of the Spirit of God are the sons
of God." You don't just do things because you just thought
you ought to do it. No. Proverbs 4:7, "Wisdom is the principal
thing." I had the Lord say to me, years ago, He said, "You're
too quick to pray." I said, "What?" "Yeah. You just start
quoting Scriptures." The--we were behind a million dollars on
our bills, television bills and all that. Well, we don't write
appeal letters, we don't raise offerings and all that. We sow
and give and go to the Word. And I took off with the--according
to the first chapter of the book of James, to receive wisdom and
understanding. So I just pulled aside for several days to pray
and just listen to the Lord. And I said, "Lord, I need a million
dollars." He said, "No, you don't." I said out loud, I said,
"You could have fooled me." No. Now, here was His wisdom. He
said, "You--you're--you've got a spiritual problem in the
ministry." He had--He had told me to do something several years
ago, and I heard it, but I just let it slip and didn't do it.
And He said, "You have a spiritual problem in your
ministry. If I were to give you a million dollars today, that
problem would eat that million up, and you'd still be a million
behind." Well, see, I needed wisdom. I needed understanding.
I was too quick to say, "I need a million dollars," and start
quoting my financial Scriptures and all of that. I needed to
take some time and get before the Lord and find out what He
wants me to do. And He'll tell you. He'll tell you what to do.
Now, He told her--you remember the very first thing He said? I
mean, right at the very beginning of this thing, she'd
just had surgery. She's still in pain. He said, "Think of 10
things you can praise Me for." GLORIA: Hmm. KENNETH: Praise is
the big gun of faith. GLORIA: Yes, amen. KENNETH: That's the
biggest thing there is. Praise is the highest form of prayer.
GLORIA: That's good, isn't it? KENNETH: Yes, it is. GLORIA:
"Think of 10 things that you can praise Me for." KENNETH: See
what was happening? He's leading her. What's He doing? He's
leading her out of this thing. GLORIA: Yeah. KENNETH: He led
her out of that, and she started getting well, started getting
well. Well, the treatments were working. The medical treatments
were working. She--but what was she doing? She's meditating on
the Word of God. She put the Word of God where it needed to
be, and she's listening to God. She's listening. She's
listening. You can't get something from somebody you
won't listen to. She's listening. And that's--after a
considerable amount of time, the Lord said, "Okay, that's enough
of that. You get over on My Word." Now, why would He wait
that long? She had to grow up spiritually and grow her faith
to the point where it would support that. And when it
finally came to that point, she obeyed Him, and there she is
today, completely healed. GLORIA: Praise God. Glory to
God. KENNETH: Glory. Isn't that wonderful? GLORIA: Yeah, it is.
KENNETH: Oh, it's just wonderful. Glory to God.
Gloria and I'll be back in just a moment.
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