so we just got back from our annual or my annual slash now our annual road trip
to Oregon checkpoint Oregon train Mountain and this year I plan to have a
little more last year I recorded how much power consumption that took between
superchargers this year I recorded how much power I used the entire trip and I
used 100% of the power I needed from superchargers and now this trip of
course once again like last year was towing our teardrop travel trailer so
just some interesting data points I would like to talk about so we're gonna
go hop in my Model S we're actually over at my parents motel the Wisconsin Dells
Wisconsin and we because it was actually closer this is where we departed from
and where we arrived back from so let's go over to the garage because we're also
gonna do the forty forty four thousand mile range update tonight is in it
forty-three thousand mile range update tonight so okay some things in discuss
we're going to talk about how much how much I saved on super charging or how
much money I saved because I had super chargers to use and I also how much
money I saved because I didn't have to pay the Tesla fees because I'm
grandfathered in for unlimited super charging and then again how much I saved
over driving gas and then we're gonna talk about some differences in telling
numbers and what some battery degradation has cost me in terms of
driving time charging time and so on so let me back up here
mosquitoes hurt got low close ski those are too bad tonight so we'll talk
outside how's that sound good I hope so but let's start off with how much power
did I use on superchargers on this road trip so for that get my phone out so I
have a handy-dandy SuperDuper calculator here and there we go clear all clear
let's turn the brightness up on my center screen so you guys can actually
see what I'm talking about and turn the camera around all right here we go
all right immediately before he left I reset to trip me this was the road trip
on its own just the road trip for trip B the entire trip all charging was done at
superchargers especially considering now that the Klamath Falls Oregon has a zone
has its own supercharger so no trying to power up this year off of 120 volt
outlet and Cilic win so I used force yes ok that was easy I sold something ok we
drove a total five thousand four hundred and eighty three point nine miles on
this road trip we used
two thousand six hundred and nine point seven kilowatt hours of power or that
would also be abbreviated as two point six one megawatts that is a buttload of
power yeah that is quite a bit my average energy for for the whole trip
came to four hundred and seventy-six one hours a mile now since last charge I had
to do a short job to Madison and back so this was without the trailer averaging
about 80 miles an hour in the freeway I did sixty three point nine miles
seventeen point nine kilowatt hours and average 280 watt hours per mile which is
actually for me pretty high without a trailer and then of course the lifetime
was trip a so a lifetime on my car forty three thousand three hundred and two
point six miles 16 point two one megawatt hours and I averaged 374 watt
hours per mile and the only reason that number is so high is because when winter
time we got heat going darn right so how much how much did I
save well this trip in that amount of power cost me nothing that's right
nothing why because I am and grandfathered in front limited super
charging which you can be to if you would like to use my referral code to
purchase your Tesla Model S or Model X and get grandfathered in with unlimited
super charging as well and get a thousand dollar discount see the
referral link in the description box below
so let's punch that in two thousand six hundred and nine point seven kilowatt
hours got it right there now in Wilko based on I'm I go based on
my utility rates here in Wisconsin so if this was off-peak meaning a time of use
electrical so that means the rate would be
9 cents per kilowatt-hour so if I was charging at home off-peak so the the
low-cost I would have paid two hundred and thirty
four dollars and 87 cents for the electricity that I used and I'm not I'm
not gonna factor solar my solar into this either this is just straight-up
dollars given we don't know exactly what Tesla pays yes tweet from Elon might be
possible to go supersonic in our test Hyperloop cool given we don't know what
kind of rates Tesla pays for the electric which I'm
guessing they're getting the lowest possible industrial rates in most
locations i I can't comment exactly what this would have cost Tesla but
considering I'm on the low end of the spectrum for time-of-use
nine cents a kilowatt hour is the cheap rate what will say that it costs Tesla
at least $200 for the electricity that I used for this road trip now if I was
paying the stand the national average flat rate which is about 13 cents a
kilowatt hour so I'd be two thousand six hundred and nine point seven kilowatts
kilowatt hours times thirteen cent 13 cents per kilowatt hour this trip would
have cost me three hundred thirty nine dollars and 26 cents holy crap now if we
were driving a comparable gas vehicle here's the fun part
all right we're gonna have to switch from kilowatt hours to miles now so we
have five thousand four hundred and eighty three miles 83.9 excuse me five
thousand four hundred eighty three point nine now and a comparable gas vehicle to
the Model S would get approximately what twenty-four twenty-five miles per
Kalen and then we're going to subtract a bit and I'm gonna be very lenient on the
gas side and say that we're only going to subtract about five miles for losses
of towing a trailer so we're going to divide that by 20 miles per gallon so we
would have burned two hundred and seventy four for two hundred and seventy
four point one nine five my gallons so we're gonna round that up to two hundred
and seventy four point two okay so two hundred and seventy four point two
yelland's times the current price for gas here in Wisconsin no it fluctuates
some routes on our trip I saw the prices lower than Wisconsin some times higher
sometimes a lot higher so I'm gonna go based on our pretty okay price for gas
here in Wisconsin Oh as of today two dollars and thirty five cents a gallon
at two dollars and thirty five cents a gallon this trip in fuel alone would
have cost us six hundred and forty four dollars and thirty seven cents so would
you guys say I got not too shabby of a deal I would say most definitely so not
too bad pretty awesome and I am one happy Tesla
camper literally so let me turn the display brightness down turn dome lights
back off we're gonna go outside now and I'm gonna to scott discuss new findings
my maximum 100 percent range this year on this trip is two hundred and
seventy-four excuse me two hundred and seventy three rated miles now so last
year when we went on her exact same route road trip my range was 290 to 294
rated miles if you follow my thousand range updates which I'm gonna be doing
that one tonight for 43,000 mile range whoops there we go you will have noticed
and you can actually follow in the chart that I provide at the end of my range
update videos how much my range has dropped every thousand miles now nice
thing about these leave road trips is I can watch it drop much quicker so I've
lost 20 miles in just over a year and 43,000 miles on driving something's not
quite right on top of that Tesla has also reduced the charging speed for
super charging for cars that have done what they consider excessive DC fast
charging so instead of being able to hit about 118 kilowatt charge rate my
maximum now is currently and I'm going to shut turn on night mode there we go
much better my maximum now is 94 that's it 94 how do I get all this information
as well from the balancing I use Tesla spy allows me to read the can bus data
and I've been playing around with that a lot so I get to know a lot of the inner
workings now of Tesla battery pack based on the canvas data so number one I lost
about 20 miles in the last year number 2 pulling a trailer especially one that's
a little higher it's about the same height as the roof of my Model S
increases drag to the point where I get about half the mileage than the rated my
the Ranger range so if I need a hundred miles to make it between superchargers
on average it's gonna take me about 200 miles worth of range in the car to be
able to make it I can mitigate this by drafting semis and ham does that help
especially with autopilot and being able to set accept the traffic aware cruise
control distance with autopilot and message and in draft flow semis that
that makes a huge difference that's the only reason why my watt-hour
is so low in the sections where I couldn't draft I mean I really had to
slow down to make it otherwise I was pushing 600 watts per mile mosquitoes
are out and it's raining lovely at the clouds tight so let's see carry on
so not only does towing the trailer increase the amount of power consumption
rated range loss which is personally it seems to be a little excessive in just a
year for a 90 d and I've chalked this up to the different chemistry Tesla's using
as compared to the older original sixty and eighty five kilowatt hour battery
chemistry it made this trip the most white-knuckle towing trip that I've had
and I did my best to reduce drag as much as possible and this is how much just a
little bit of drag to make a lot of difference I have the event on the top
of my trailer here I also have a special scoop that goes over the top it's
supposed to increase aerodynamics a bit however I found it actually kind of did
the opposite so on the way home this time I decided let's pull that off what
kind of difference did it make a lot I have to tell you and I can find oh test
the key find the trailer key I'll pull it out and I'll show you exactly what
I'm talking about I'm not putting it back I gotta tow this back to Milwaukee
tomorrow now this fits up there I'm not going to
get it perfectly but you can see how that little bit raises the height of the
trailer I saw a near instant energy drop of
about twenty percent just from removing that school that's it now also I got to
talk with a few model ex owners from Canada and they were pulling these cool
trailers that you could put your boat on kayak on and all your sporting equipment
on and they were actually seeing lower numbers on me why because the total
height of their trailer was about this law instead of up here on top of that
since the Model X is higher it creates its own little void low pressure well
behind it reducing the drag so basically the trailer does a better job of
drafting the Model X than a trailer drafting a Model S which would mean that
would be why they could easily see a watt hour per mile about 400 without
trying too hard now it did change their consumption quite a bit next my family's
kind of outgrown our teardrop I just happen to prom a pop up camper on
Craigslist great price 1,200 bucks and it was in excellent condition but it is
old it was a 91 well we picked that up on our way back that was a little side
trip I had to do on the way home drop this off went to Green Bay Wisconsin and
in brought the pop-up trailer to home and they came back to the Dells here to
get this trailer and considering now the pop-up trailer is even lower yet it's a
little wider but it's almost the exact same width of the Model S
excellent it is about 150 pounds heavier yet because the pop-up trailer fully
closed and collapsed is only about this high
instead of this high without drafting instead of seeing 600 watts per mile we
easily saw four hundred to four hundred and thirty watts per mile and about 350
to 400 when I did draft so that just goes to show you how much difference a
little bit of air drag can actually make holy crap right so overall this is
another yet learning experience that I'm trying to just bring onto you guys if I
can answer any more detailed questions that I might be missing let me know
don't forget to Like and subscribe I guess it might in my my conclusion to
this drag of a trailer plus degraded battery has made this trip I highly
doubt at this rate of degradation it's been I highly doubt that I would have
been able to make the same trip again next year in the teardrop without
slowing down to say 45 or 55 to 55 miles per hour on the freeway and if you've
ever drove driven across northern USA where the speed limit is 80 that is a
tough thing an unsafe thing to do but with the new pop up the new new to me
old pop up which I'm gonna do some awesome Tesla style mods to I think it
should be doable for a number of more years and I also now have a will after
tonight will have 43 miles there 43,000 miles of battery data to give Tesla
logged log data range temperatures and now that I have Tesla spy I can give
specific details balance of the battery pack specific high and low temperatures
I've been able to record just a whole slew of information to be able to see if
there is something going on with my battery pack
and once again I'm gonna default to my a long ago a theory of mine that Tesla
sacrificed longevity when they switched the chemistry to the new the new current
chemistry they sacrificed longevity to get a tiny bit more range per charge
personally what I would do different would be go back to the old more
reliable more robust chemistry which did not use some silicon in the anode and
put the silicon in the anode does is it causes swelling in the battery during
this charge discharge process which can cause micro fractures and the battery
lead to more degradation the 100 kilowatt hour battery packs Tesla is
producing right now use more cells in them and the 100 kilowatt hour battery
pack is a true 100 kilowatt hour battery pack it's actually like a hundred and
one kilowatt hours whereas the 90 kilowatt hour battery packs were
actually about eighty-five kilowatt hour the original 85 was actually only about
78 or 8 78 to 80 kilowatt hour I would like to see the original cells in the
100 kilowatt hour pack configuration that should give us about 90 kilowatt
hour of actual capacity roughly based on calculations and on top of that we'd
have the awesome longevity that the older Tesla cars are seeing not just
that as we take a step back and look the older Tesla cars don't have the super
charging limitation that the new ones do which is that limitation I spoke of
where if you are an excessive DC fast charger they limit your charging speeds
like in my case 94 kilowatt hour or 94 kilowatt is my max charge rate the older
cars don't have that I'm still seeing original 2013 85 kilowatt hour battery
pack cars charging at 118 kilowatt I mean that's that's awesome and I and
compared to last year I didn't have that charging rate cap last year on firmware
seven so on top of that on top of having a lower capacity on my battery pack now
still using a ton of power pulling the trailer now I also have a lower charge
speed so it's taking longer to get a full charge and I'm sorry Tesla you guys
sedated it's only about a five-minute difference between the limited charge
speed than that mmm-hmm we're talking more of around a
20 to 30 minute charge speed how do I know because I have to super charge to
95 to 100% 16 times to get from Wisconsin Dells Wisconsin to crater lake
or chilla Quinn Klamath Falls / Crater Lake that whole general area Oregon
that's how I know how long it takes which is kind of ridiculous considering
that the old chemistry batteries did not have that issue personally like I said I
would sacrifice some range because okay this is a shout-out to Mike Anthony Mike
Anthony my usual crash dummy for my auto pilot collision tests just finally
congratulations Mike picked up a 2013 a 85 up there's the wife say hi to the
camera picked up his 2013 p85 seat certified pre-owned that's a four year
old car now focus focus come on maybe if I touch here Oh active focused
tracking doesn't work with night mode there we go
I'm a four year old car I think it was what about what was it Mike 40,000 miles
feel free to chime in in the description box or the comments box his 100 percent
range is in the two sixties and it's a roughly the same mileage as what's on my
car oh down the odometer where it has come on now really not even a year and a
half and I'm already down over 20 miles 21 miles now cuz I actually last one I
did miles ago was 273 and Tesla seems to
think that there's nothing wrong with the battery I I I'm sorry I gotta say
there's got to be something wrong because that is quite excessive of range
loss so that concludes tonight's little discussion and talk I know I covered a
lot of different stuff here but I kind of miss just doing impromptu grab the
camera and talking videos trying to go back to the roots and yeah that's it so
hopefully we will be doing some awesome videos with the new pop-up trailer I
don't know if we'll be doing any of those this this year anymore considering
that it's the end of the summer and it's gonna be getting darn cold or we could
do some modification video hmm I have a crapload of 18 650 lithium cells that
I'm just itching the world together and see what kind of battery pack I can make
so maybe I will make a huge battery pack to power the trailer and be able to
recharge the car see you guys all later please don't forget like subscribe share
it really helps me out when you do so and I also really helps my YouTube
rankings as well also once again if you're interested in purchasing a Tesla
Model S or Model X please consider using my referral code which is in the
description box below it'll give you a thousand dollars instantly off on the
purchase price of your vehicle and give you if you get it before the end of I
don't know what next year's referral programs are gonna look like at least
for now if you get get you use my referral code before the end of 2017 you
will also get grandfathered in for unlimited free super charging and I
remember I just showed you how much money I saved driving cross-country
using that a limited free supercharger all right good night everybody and
it's getting dark out let's turn off night shot here that shot is awesome but
I don't even have the infra red recording light turned on this is just
enhanced cool good night folks love y'all keep watching sir Penza says
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