(Singing) I know my God has made the way
for me. I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Today on the Believer's Voice of
Victory with Gloria and Kellie Copeland, discover
how the love the Father is a growth process that
enables you to learn more and more about Jesus
and what His life and sacrifice have provided.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory broadcast. We're hearing some
good Word from Kellie today, and you're going to like it. Kellie,
keep talking. KELLIE: Okay. Well, we've--(Laughing)--it's
taken us three days to get through Mark 11. GLORIA: Well--
KELLIE: It took you 50 years, I guess it can-- GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: --take us a few days. GLORIA: Take your time.
KELLIE: Well, we've just talked about where God--where you
started in your relationship with the Lord was, "Seek ye
first the kingdom," and then you-- GLORIA: Mm-hmm. That was a
good Word. KELLIE: --then you spent a few years growing on
that revelation and then began to learn that the--that you
could have what you say, that you could--that God--but you
found that out. The whole thing that became your-- GLORIA: Yeah.
KELLIE: --life's message, you found out in His Word. GLORIA:
Believe it in your heart. KELLIE: You knew that about
Jesus and about the Father by knowing His Word. GLORIA: Say it
with your mouth. KELLIE: Say it with your mouth and believe.
GLORIA: You'll have it. KELLIE: So I'm trying to get
through--all the way through Mark 11:24, but I'm going to do
it right now. GLORIA: Let's keep going. KELLIE: And then we're
going to move-- GLORIA: Just keep going. KELLIE: --we're
going to move into the next thing. "Have faith in God,"
Jesus said to His disciples. GLORIA: Yes, He did. KELLIE: "I
tell you the truth, you can say to this mountain, 'May you be
lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and it will happen."
GLORIA: That's a big statement. KELLIE: It is. You know, as we
begin to know Jesus more, that's enough to fix your whole life.
He--they said, "How did you do that?" In essence, they were
saying, "Hey, look, that--what--you dried up a fig
tree with your words. How'd you do that?" And Jesus says, "Have
faith in God." And whatever you say--you can say, "Be--to
the--removed," to the mountain, and it would be--and it would
happen. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: And it says, "But you
must really believe it will happen and have no doubt in your
heart." You can't be looking at the circumstances. You can't be
looking at other things. You have to be hooked in on Jesus.
You have to be hooked in on His Word and what He says to you,
and you have to receive that. And when you do, it's--you begin
to open up that part of your life, whatever He's talking
about. You begin to know Him in that way. You guys began to know
Him as-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --the freedom from debt.
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: You began to know Him, then,
with freedom-- GLORIA: Took us 11 months, and we were out of
debt. KELLIE: And all--and the open door was right here in the
Word. GLORIA: Yeah, it was. KELLIE: And then you began to
know Him about your healing. GLORIA: But--and, you know, we
saw that, so we began to believe that. But now, at the same time,
we quit borrowing money. KELLIE: Well, if you hadn't--if you
hadn't, it would have been doubt in your heart. GLORIA: Yeah.
KELLIE: Like, you can't-- GLORIA: Well, you wouldn't have
been acting on it. KELLIE: --say, "God meets my needs," and
then borrow money without having the doubt that He-- GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: So that's where that--that's why that
doesn't work, is because if you believe that-- GLORIA: Yeah, so
it work--everything works with obedience. KELLIE: That's right.
So "I tell you, you can pray for anything, and if you believe you
have received it, it will be yours." Or the King James says--
GLORIA: Take it. KELLIE: -- "You will have it." GLORIA: Take it
when you pray. KELLIE: "But when you're praying--" so He gives us
this, too. This is important. GLORIA: Yeah, it is. KELLIE:
"First forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so
that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too." So
Jesus just gave us a whole view of the Father-- GLORIA: Oh, my,
it changes everything. KELLIE: --and about His desire to
forgive us and how you make that happen. GLORIA: Where? KELLIE:
Just right here. And you guys began to grow. GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: And, really, the reason--I really didn't think it
would take me three days to get to the end of that, but one
reason I wanted to start there was because what that process
did--and of course, then it was healing and then--I mean, He
just took you into layer upon layer upon layer of not just
knowing the Word, Mom. You almost have to look back. At the
time, you're not really realizing you're being
introducing--you're being introduced to all the different
layers of Jesus. You're not really realizing that when
you're growing. You're just thinking, "Oh, man, I'm healed.
Oh, my needs are met." GLORIA: I take it, I take it, I take it.
KELLIE: "Oh, I take it, I take it, I take it, I take it."
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: So what I'm doing here today is
stopping to look back and say what you were doing was meeting
Jesus. One layer at a time, He was saving you. GLORIA: The
truth. KELLIE: The truth one layer at a time. Jesus-- GLORIA:
Making us free. KELLIE: --was becoming more and more and more
your Savior. I mean, it all belonged to you the day you got
saved. GLORIA: Sure. KELLIE: But it was growth, layer upon layer.
And I read in your--the book--we're actually giving
away, "Walk With God." I read this yesterday that, you know,
God doesn't expect you to start anywhere else but right where
you are today. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: That's what
happened with you when you got saved. So look at
Matthew--Matthew 5. I'm going to--I love the Beatitudes. You
know, I think sometimes people just kind of skip over that
quickly because they think they know what it's saying. But I
love the Beatitudes. And some years ago, God started talking
to me about that this was a growth--a growth chart.
Beatitudes is a growth chart. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE: And it
says--and I Peter 2:2 talks about growing to a full
experience of salvation. You know, and by the time you grow
to a full experience of salvation, it's not just--
GLORIA: I'm still growing. KELLIE: Me, too, and that's what
this is about, too, because part of the--part of what happened to
me, which we'll talk about more next week--I've talked to you
guys on the broadcast about part of what happened to me was my
faith and my--and the Word that I knew began to take me deeper
into things of worship that I didn't know. What you know will
take you deeper into what you don't know. You know, you may go
to a church and what they minister on and what they teach
is mostly worship, or mostly, they focus on the gifts of the
Spirit or the presence of God. Well, where will that take you?
Eventually, it'll take you to knowing these deeper things
about the Word, having faith in the Word. So all these things do
work together in what you know will take you deeper into what
you need to know. But for all of us, any of us, we're not just
finding out things to know. We are meeting Jesus. And all the
while, Mom, as you begin to grow, Jesus--you know, the Bible
talks about "a glass darkly." Right now, we're looking at a
glass darkly. GLORIA: Through a glass. KELLIE: Through a glass
darkly, but the more--as you meet all these things of Jesus,
you meet Him in His Word. And as you worship Him, the darkness--
GLORIA: Light enough. KELLIE: --starts clearing up. And it
just--the--what are we going to--what's it clearing up to
see? It's clearing up to see Jesus. And that glass is not
really like the kind of glass like a window. The glass darkly
is a mirror because it also talks about that we look at Him,
we look in His Word like a mirror. And as Jesus becomes
unveiled to us a piece at a time, you look at Him and you
know so much more than you did 50 years ago. He's clearer now
than He was 50 years ago. And as He's unveiled, not only will we
begin to see Him more clearly as we learn of Him, but we begin to
look in that mirror and it begins to be--it begins to be
what we see reflected back at us, like we begin to look like
what we're looking at in the mirror. Does that make--I just
think-- GLORIA: I'm working on it. KELLIE: --it's so exciting.
Well, He's unveiling Himself-- GLORIA: Yeah, He is. KELLIE:
--to put it simply, which, you're better at that than I am.
Putting it simply, He's unveiling Himself. And as we see
Him unveil Himself and we begin to see all about Him and learn
more about Him-- GLORIA: And believe it. KELLIE: --and
believe it, we become that. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: We
start looking like that, too. So the Beatitudes is just layer
upon layer upon layer of growth. And I'm going to read them real
quick in the New Living. But then I want to tell--I want to
read to you what the Passion Translation says about some of
these things. "God blesses those who are poor and realize their
need for Him." Let me tell you something. I don't care how much
money you have. If you don't have Jesus, you're poor. You are
dirt poor of everything that matters without Jesus. So that
word "poor" doesn't just mean money poor. It just means--
GLORIA: No. And He also blessed those who are rich. He blesses
anybody that'll let Him bless. KELLIE: Right. GLORIA: Take it.
KELLIE: But if you don't have Jesus, you're poor. GLORIA:
Absolutely. KELLIE: Let's just--let's just say that.
GLORIA: You're morbidly poor. KELLIE: You're morbidly, deathly
poor. GLORIA: No resources. KELLIE: But He says He blesses
those who realize their need for Him. So it really doesn't matter
how much money you have. GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE: You're not
poor if you realize your need for Him. You realize you need
Him, you got Him. GLORIA: You open the door to His presence.
KELLIE: You open the door, and you got Him, and you're blessed.
Because this has always struck me, too, Mom. Every time I read
this, I think about you. We told--you told your salvation
story on Monday. But every time I read this, I think about you,
because that day sitting amongst your nothingness in your
apartment-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --or house, you had
nothing, and you read one Word, "Seek ye first the kingdom of
God, and all these things will be added unto you." And you
realized, that day, you had need of God. And it opened the door
to everything. GLORIA: Well, if I thought about it, I probably
would have realized I had needed God, but I didn't have a clue
what the cure was-- KELLIE: No, but-- GLORIA: --because I didn't
know anything about the Word. KELLIE: But here's what
happened, though. You didn't have to know anything. You
didn't have to know one thing other than, "I need You, God."
GLORIA: Turn to Him. KELLIE: "I realize I need You, God." So
that is the door. Jesus is the door to the Father. GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: And when you realize, "Okay, well, take
my life and something with it," that was your door to everything
that surrounds us now-- GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE: --and
everything that God has in our future for us. GLORIA: That I'll
ever need. KELLIE: That you'll ever need, you received it all
that day. Now, you didn't--it was a growth process. You had to
grow to it, but this says-- GLORIA: Thank God. KELLIE:
--"God blesses those who are poor and realize their need for
Him for the kingdom of heaven is theirs." It was yours, every bit
of it. GLORIA: Sure. KELLIE: Even the things that you see
today were yours that day. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE:
But I want to read this, Mom, what it says here about that.
This is The Message--I'm sorry, this is The Passion Translation
in Matthew. It says--the--and, of course, this is the sermon on
the Mount, which we probably won't read it all. GLORIA: Where
are you? And I'll look mine up. KELLIE: Look yours up. It's page
23. It's Matthew 5, page 23. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE: Looks like
that. GLORIA: I got it. KELLIE: It says, "Jesus begins with
giving His followers a superior way to live than the Ten
Commandments." The Ten Commandments were just--they
were really rules. The people had no--nothing on the inside of
them to be intimately connected with God to be able to live
those out. GLORIA: They had the law. KELLIE: They just had the
law. "It is a superior version of all that God expects and
provides for those who yield to Him. He doesn't just expect
these things out of us. He provides for us to be able to
walk this way. Jesus gives us more than laws. He gives us
promises of power to fulfill all that He asks for us." So what
you have to realize is that, really, the difference between
the law and the beatitudes, the law and the things that Jesus
commanded us to do, it's all relationship, Mom. Think about
that. That's the difference, is that now we have a relationship
with Jesus. It's not just words. We have a relationship with the
Father. This says, "The emphasis is not on outward duty, but on
the inside transformation of our hearts by grace. God's kingdom
is offered to those who will learn the ways of Christ and
offer themselves in full surrender." So by us
surrendering and yielding to Jesus to come inside, we begin
to operate in these things. Now, this is what I loved, Mom, where
it says, "Blessed are they who are poor. Blessed are they
who realize their need for Him." Here's what it says, "The word
'blessed' means to have the capacity to enjoy union and
communion with God." You know, people didn't have union and
communion with God. GLORIA: No. KELLIE: I mean, to a limited
degree, Moses had conversation with God. And it does--God did
let him come face to face with Him, which is--this also says
that there's no Hebrew word for His presence, God's presence,
other than "face." So "face to face" means that Abraham was in
His presence. Adam and Eve walked with God. They messed
that up. Enoch walked with God. So there we were limited people
in the Old Testament that had that kind of-- GLORIA: Mm-hmm,
relationship. KELLIE: --communion and relationship
with them. But even so, it was not an inside--inside
relationship. But all of the Beatitudes, Mom, they are--Jesus
began--this--I really want to get to some things in John 1
because it talks about how He came. But once--and so we're
going to get to that. But once He came--I just wanted to
connect what Jesus did here on the earth with what He did for
you. You saw a Word, He began right there, and He began
connecting you to the next piece and the next piece. Why? Because
He was on the inside of you. He could take you from A to Z in
relationship. You began to know Him. GLORIA: That's right.
KELLIE: You began to know what He was--His love for you, and
you began to love Him back. And you began a relationship that
day that went deeper. GLORIA: Mm-hmm. I saw that He cared for
the birds. That gave me much comfort and strength. KELLIE:
Yeah. And really-- GLORIA: I thought, "If He cares for the
birds, if He feeds the birds--" KELLIE: You found out He loves
you. GLORIA: "--He cares for me." KELLIE: Yes. GLORIA: Glory
to God. KELLIE: And one of the things in this, it says, is that
the word, "poor in spirit--blessed are the poor in
spirit," that means to be humble and totally dependent on Him.
GLORIA: Open. KELLIE: Yeah. GLORIA: Open to His change, open
to His Word. That's right. KELLIE: The longer you are with
Him, the more dependent on Him you become, in other words, the
less you want to do things your own way. GLORIA: The more you
know how to walk with Him, yeah. KELLIE: And He--the more--I
think He's--He walks with you all through your experiments of,
"I think I'll just do this my way," you know? The Word says,
you know, to hold onto every Word that He speaks and let the
Word of God guide you. Why? Because He's guiding you into
life. GLORIA: Yeah, knowing the truth-- KELLIE: He's guiding you
in deeper with Him. GLORIA: --that sets you free, makes you
free. KELLIE: And, really, you have to stop and think for a
second, that to go deeper into Jesus is to head deeper into the
Father. You can't go into the lap of the Father without going
through Jesus. GLORIA: He is the door. KELLIE: He is the door.
GLORIA: The way-- KELLIE: The truth. GLORIA: The way, the
truth, and the life. KELLIE: And the life comes from following
the way and the truth. GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: He's so good. So
the word "comfort" means--it says, "He'll comfort those who
mourn." That word means to see the face of what or who you long
for. Isn't that good? GLORIA: That is good. KELLIE: So this
Matthew 5, the reason I say it's a growth thing is because at the
very--Verse 3 says, "The kingdom of heaven is yours," like it was
the day you got saved. But then you go through all these things,
man, you begin to grow in humility, and you become even
more hungry and thirsty. GLORIA: Grow up. KELLIE: And then you
become more merciful, and you begin to walk in love. Your
hearts are purified. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: "Blessed are those
whose hearts are pure." You know, when your soul--when Jesus
begins, like, pulling stuff out of your heart, your--as in not
your--you know, your heart--if you're born-again, your spirit
is renewed. It's new. It's brand-new. But our mind, will,
and emotions have to be renewed. Those have to grow. And so when
your mind, will, and emotion--Jesus is pulling stuff
out of those that don't belong, your heart becomes pure. And
what does it say? "You begin to see God." You begin to get
deeper and deeper and deeper into God as this purifies us.
GLORIA: It's called the renewing of your mind. KELLIE: Renewing
of your mind. "God blesses those who work for peace, for they
will be called the children of God. God blesses those who are
persecuted for doing right." When did they start persecuting
you? When they start seeing a difference between you and
somebody else. When they start--when you start looking
like a child of God, people start persecuting you over that.
GLORIA: They talk about you. KELLIE: They do. But it says--
GLORIA: They say, "He's gone overboard. He's off the deep
end." KELLIE: How do you know? You've experienced all that.
GLORIA: Ask me. KELLIE: "For the kingdom of heaven is theirs." So
you walk all the way through this from the promise of the day
you got born-again, all the kingdom of heaven was yours in
the form of a promise, really-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --because
you hadn't grown to that place. GLORIA: It's available. KELLIE:
But then today, people persecute--as you begin to
become a child of God in the outer circumstances, if people
persecute you, you just don't care. Why? Because the kingdom
of heaven is yours. Why would you go back? GLORIA: You know
what you know. KELLIE: There's nothing that you would go back
to. GLORIA: I think the thing-- KELLIE: Amen? GLORIA: --that
brings persecution in that situation is, if you and I are
friends, and you begin to walk closer to God than I am--than I
do and you become a fanatic about, "I'm going to say the
right words. I'm going to believe the right thing. I'm
going to do the right thing," then people around someone like
that--they get under conviction and they want to do the right
thing. You know what I mean? KELLIE: Mm-hmm. GLORIA: And so
that separates the one that's really after God and those that
are just going to church on Sunday just to look good. So we
get--all of us should be walking on the Word and in the Word,
obeying the Word. And if you don't know what it says, you
can't obey it. So that's why we're supposed to put the Word
of God first place in our lives so we can understand what God
says. Go to a church that teaches you the Word of God. If
you want to grow up and become stronger and more full of faith,
then you need to hear the Gospel preached from the Word of God,
and you need to put it in your eyes yourself and believe what
you read there. Now, when you do that, you become stronger. Your
heart gets full of the Word of God and you learn how to believe
God for whatever; healing, for natural needs. Whatever you
need, it's in there. KELLIE: You learn to look to Him for
everything. GLORIA: That's exactly right. And you're happy
about that because now I have an answer. The answer is, "What
does the Word say about this situation in my life?" KELLIE:
And, you know, I just want to encourage you, too. When those
friends do that, don't let it bother you. GLORIA: Oh, no,
just-- KELLIE: It's just part of the story. GLORIA: That's right.
KELLIE: You know, just love. That's why love works. You can't
let what they say bother you, or you won't be able to walk in
love. So just walk in love-- GLORIA: Love them anyway.
KELLIE: And what will happen? They will see the fruit of the
love of God and the fruit of Jesus in your life. You just
cling tightly to Jesus, and that'll bring your friends
along, and they'll not only get hungry--they're not going to get
hungry for rules and regulations, but they'll gut
hungry for the type of love and relationship with Jesus--
GLORIA: And results. KELLIE: --that they see in you. GLORIA:
They'll see the results in your life-- KELLIE: Amen. GLORIA:
--results that they want. Glory to God.
That's good, Kellie. I receive that. KELLIE: Amen.
GLORIA: Kellie and I'll be right back.
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