(Singing) I know my God has made the way for
me. I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the Believer's Voice of Victory.
Join Gloria and Kellie Copeland today as they explain how you
can develop a closer relationship with
the Father through the Word just as Jesus
did. Now, let's join Gloria Copeland.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory. Kellie Copeland's back with
us today, and she's got some Word to
share with us, so get your Bible and get ready. You know,
you need--you and I and Kellie and everybody else needs the
Word every day. So we're ready, Kellie. You have an attentive
audience. KELLIE: Well, we're going to flow with the Holy
Ghost this week. GLORIA: Amen. That's what makes it good.
KELLIE: I know. And aren't you glad that we are filled with the
Holy Ghost? GLORIA: Oh, it made all the difference in the world.
KELLIE: Made all the difference. GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: You
know, what I wanted to talk about this week and next week,
Mom, is just--is knowing Jesus. We--the last time we were on the
broadcasts, we really talked about, in our communion and
oneness with Jesus, the fruit of the Spirit is what comes out of
that. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: So real life, a real ability to
live life with peace and joy and love and grace and not strive
for those things, but just to have that be the thing that
comes out of you. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: You know, when
you poke Jesus, all that came out. And so when we live in
communion with Him and we know Him, we're the--we should be the
same way. GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: Well, I started thinking about
all the ways that we know Him. There's--I'm sure--this is
probably not even all of them. But we know Him through prayer.
We know Him through His Word. We know Him through worship. And I
think about all of the different folds of the Body of Christ,
people have different specialties, different ways that
they have come, I guess you could say, up the side of the
mountain-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --to know Jesus. It's like
people who know you--if I know you as, you're my mom, I know
you in a different way than somebody that just sees you from
afar-- GLORIA: Sure. KELLIE: --or even that just works for
you. I know you in a different way. You have a different
revelation. GLORIA: And I know you, too, sister. KELLIE: And
you know me, too. (Both Laugh) You know me in a different way.
So-- GLORIA: I like you. KELLIE: Yes, I like you, too. But when
all of us get together with all of the things we know, we know
Jesus. GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: And so I've really been
considering, a lot, the ways that we know Jesus. Well, this
week, I really want to focus on knowing Him through His Word
because that's where God introduced Jesus to this
family-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --was in the Word, you
know, all those years ago. GLORIA: That's the main place to
know Him after you get born again-- KELLIE: After you get--
GLORIA: --and filled with the Holy Spirit. KELLIE: That's
right. GLORIA: Then it's the Word. KELLIE: It's the Word. And
that's been the part--and there are people that have just really
known Him a lot through worship. They've known Him that way. And
they get a different experience-- GLORIA: Mm-hmm.
KELLIE: --with Jesus. But as I have--as those two worlds have
come together for me, I realize how I now know him, which is,
too, or throw in prayer or--you know, there are people who just
have deep, deep time and intercession. And when they're
spending time with the Lord, they're in intercession. And
they know Him from a different side. GLORIA: Well, all those
ways work together. KELLIE: They do. And He's putting the whole
picture together for us. GLORIA: They help us to grow up. KELLIE:
Isn't that good? GLORIA: Oh, yeah. KELLIE: But I'm so
thrilled that I grew up in a house--in a household-- GLORIA:
Praise God. KELLIE: --where what God was teaching us was the Word
of faith-- GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: --how to put faith in Him
through His Word, how to see Him through His Word, how to know
Him through His Word. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: We really came to
know Jesus through His Word. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE:
And so I just wanted to talk about some of these things.
We're going to--actually, Mom, we're giving away--what happened
to my book? What happened to my--did you take my book? Ha-ha.
GLORIA: You said you were giving it away. KELLIE: I was. Here it
is. No, it's behind--underneath. You would not even understand
all the books that are on this table beside us. If you've seen
my mom preach, you know she's got lots of books with her.
And-- GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: --I seem to take after her, so
we've got double books over here. But you wrote a book
called, "Walk With God," which we're going to give away. But
some of the things that you said in here really stood out to me,
and I just--I wanted to start us off with-- GLORIA: Good. KELLIE:
--some of the things that you said here. And you're talking a
lot in this book about obedience. And-- GLORIA: You
know, I read my own books. KELLIE: Yes. GLORIA: Well,
after--you know, if you wrote a book 10 years ago, you need to--
KELLIE: Read it. GLORIA: --refresh yourself. KELLIE: But
you open it with this: "Churches are failing. Believers are
failing. People who know God's Word are failing. What's wrong?"
And so you begin to talk about walking with God, you know, not
just talking the talk, but walking the walk and being
obedient to him and-- GLORIA: Hearing and doing. KELLIE:
Hearing and doing. And you talk about a living communion with
Him. We're going to talk about some of these things this week.
GLORIA: Awesome. KELLIE: But I think people hear that word
"obedience," and they think, "Well, that's like, you know,
just--the discipline of the flesh, and you have to just
obey." But the deeper you know Him, the more obedience is just
the natural-- GLORIA: Sure. KELLIE: -- outcome of that. I
mean, I watch you guys. I've watched people toil with obeying
the Word. But that's not who you guys are. You fell so in love
with Jesus through His Word that to obey, that's just--that's
life, is to obey. GLORIA: What does the Scripture say? "You'll
know the truth, and the truth'll make you free." KELLIE: It makes
you free. GLORIA: And this is where the truth is. So, boy,
once we found that out, we went for it, and are still going for
it. KELLIE: So I'm not here to judge anybody that's still
having to toil to obey. But here--we're here to offer you an
easier, free form of life, is to-- GLORIA: Oh, my. KELLIE:
--intimately know the truth, intimately, not-- GLORIA:
Experience it for yourself. KELLIE: Experience it. And I
think--(Coughs) Excuse me. I think there is a good example in
what happened with me. I told it the last time I was on the
broadcast, but this experience opened my eyes to something. I
was dealing with something, hurt feelings. I heard Jeremy say,
recently, he said, "You can have your feelings hurt without being
offended." We have feelings. GLORIA: Get over it. (Laughs)
KELLIE: Well, yeah. But sometimes also, people are rude.
GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: Or things go on that--where somebody
literally, you know, did not consider you in their-- GLORIA:
Happens all the time. KELLIE: --whatever they're doing.
GLORIA: Happens all the time. (Laughs) KELLIE: If you let it
bother you too much, you'll just be miserable. GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: I used to tell my kids, "If everything has to go
your way for you to be happy, you're going to be miserable--"
GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE: "--your whole life." GLORIA:
That's a good way to say it. KELLIE: It just doesn't always
work that way in the natural. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE:
God makes things go our way if we get with Him. But even things
in the natural, then-- GLORIA: Well, let's just say this: He
wants the last word-- KELLIE: That is a--all right.
That's--mark that one down. That's a-- GLORIA: --if we'll
let Him. If we'll let Him have the last word. KELLIE:
--Gloria-ism. Because that's the truth. You said it perfectly.
He'll have the last word, and it'll be in your favor when you
follow Him and you walk with Him. GLORIA: Oh, my. KELLIE: And
that's what He did for me, Mom. My feelings were hurt. And what
do you do with those feelings when you're hurt? Take them to
Jesus. That's what we're supposed to do when our feelings
feel something. When our feelings feel fear, what do you
do? Run to Jesus. When you feel doubt, run to Jesus. Run to His
Word. This is what fixes that. So running to Him is what we do
when our-- GLORIA: Well, you know, the--I think the key is
staying with Him-- KELLIE: Yes. GLORIA: --day by day. KELLIE:
Yes. GLORIA: Don't get out of the Word. Just keep the Word
ministering to you, telling you what to say, telling you what to
do. And all the time you're getting stronger. And--and
you're able to forgive, or you're able to let that thing
go. And then you're free. KELLIE: You're free. GLORIA:
Yeah. KELLIE: And so what happened to me was I did like,
"Jesus, You're going to have to help me with this," because I
had to minister the next morning. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE:
You know. GLORIA: And then He did, didn't He? KELLIE: Yes. And
here's what He said to me, "Get at my feet." Because last time
we were on the broadcasts, we talked about Mary and Martha and
talked about being at His feet. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: And we'll
probably get into some of that this week or next week. Again, I
just can't seem to get off of that story. But He said, "Get at
my feet." And I'm like, "How do I do that?" And immediately, I
didn't hear Him say this, but I knew to do this. He said, "Get
your phone and let it read the book of John and go to bed." I
didn't--so in other words-- GLORIA: That was a good idea.
KELLIE: --don't study. And I needed to study because I
didn't--I thought I needed to study more for what I was
supposed to say the next morning because I wasn't real clear on
what I was doing, what I was going to say. And so He just
said, "Get at my feet." So I went in there, got ready for
bed, put the book of John on and let it read. Because I
thought--and I thought, "The book of John is full of red so
it's going to read to me the words of Jesus." And so--
GLORIA: "Full of red." I thought you said, "Full of bread." And I
was-- KELLIE: Well, full of bread. He is the bread. But it's
full of red. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: And so I went to bed
with that playing. And I woke up all night long, Mom. And I'd
barely wake up all night, and I'd think--and I'd hear myself
say, "Oh, Jesus, that's so good," like He was not just
talking to me-- GLORIA: Praise God. That's awesome. KELLIE:
--from that. But He was talking to me. And I don't even know
what all He said. But one time I woke up enough to type, I don't
know, a couple sent of sentences in my notes in my phone and went
right back to sleep. I woke up so free of care. GLORIA: Praise
God. KELLIE: So free of-- GLORIA: That's the way it should
be. KELLIE: --of hurt or anxiety or--you know, I'd made the
decision to forgive, but I woke up totally even free of not
having to--I mean, I didn't have to forgive any longer. It was
done. GLORIA: You finished the work. KELLIE: Finished. He just
talked to me all night, and I got right at His feet. And I got
to that message where I was going to preach, you know? And
that's what came out, was those few notes that I typed in the
middle of the night, that was what I preached. GLORIA: Right.
KELLIE: So He had it all planned out. And it was good, too.
GLORIA: I'll bet it was. KELLIE: So here's what I learned after
that, though: It changed in my mind, I realized I don't want to
go to the Bible anymore just to do a daily reading. I don't want
to go to the Bible anymore, to the Word of God, just to learn
something. But I go to the Word of God to see Jesus, because
this Word-- GLORIA: And learn something. KELLIE: Well, of
course, you learn something. GLORIA: And whatever--all the
good things that-- KELLIE: But you go to the Word now. It just
will take you to--let me put it this way: It'll take you to
another level when you go to the Word of God to meet Jesus
because this Word literally is Him expressed. From Genesis
to Revelation-- GLORIA: Yeah, that's right. KELLIE: --it's all
about getting Him into the earth and all about getting Him to a
place where He can get inside of us. That's--the whole Bible
is--and Jesus Himself is all about the desire of the Father.
Isn't that--so we really--that's what really got me thinking
about, I grew up knowing Jesus from His Word. I grew up knowing
Him intimately by the way He was expressed here. And then when
He--when I take these words inside, it became His voice to
me in my everyday life. GLORIA: "You shall know the truth--"
KELLIE: "--and the truth will make you free." GLORIA: "--and
the truth will make you free." KELLIE: So that's where--that's
where I'm--that's where we're headed. GLORIA: Sounds good.
KELLIE: So I just have a couple of scriptures that I wanted to
start with. I wanted to go to the book of John. You know what?
Before we do that, let's--let's establish one more base here. Go
to Mark 11. GLORIA: "Matthew, Mark look at John," that's
what-- KELLIE: "Matthew Mark look at John." GLORIA: --you
guys used to say. KELLIE: We used to say. Mark 11, very
familiar. Mark 11-- GLORIA: If you could see my Bible, you
would know that this is-- KELLIE: That's your favorite.
GLORIA: This is a very good spot. KELLIE: Oh, my goodness,
look at all of that. I should let you start at the top for two
weeks, read those notes. GLORIA: Those notes are awesome.
Sometimes--a few times, at least once, I have preached a message
on Mark 11, and I've read all these little bitty notes that
I've taken over the years about faith; Charles Capps, different
people I've quoted. The Word's wonderful. KELLIE: It is. You
know, the reason I wanted to go here is to say this: This was
the--this was the entry door for you and Dad to know Jesus. This
is where it all started 53 years ago--50 years ago. I'm 53. 50
years ago, everything started right here, when you guys began
to know-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --and they're so
intertwined about if you know who Jesus is, you can begin to
know who you are. And as you know who you are, you begin to
more intimately know who Jesus is. GLORIA: We found out simply,
back in those days, that this is God speaking to me. This is what
God's saying to me. It's mine. I can have whatever I see in here.
And we needed help, you know? We were broke. We didn't have
anything; old car, old house. Wasn't even our house, but we
rented a house. And in that place, we began to find out
about faith. We were living in Tulsa. We got to hear Brother
Hagin preach, and changed everything. KELLIE: Oh, my
goodness, Mom. You're just a little girl from Arkansas.
GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE: Poultry--you didn't even make
the finalist in the Poultry Festival queen. (Both Laugh)
GLORIA: Did you have to remind me of that, Kellie? KELLIE: But
God had a big plan, bigger plan for you than being Poultry
Queen. GLORIA: Miss Chicken. KELLIE: Miss Chicken. No, but
you--what did--describe even on the inside that day that you got
born again. And you got born again. You met Jesus through
one--actually, this is how you began to find out who you were,
in Mark 11. But you met Him all by yourself with the Word of
God-- GLORIA: Just me and God. KELLIE: --just you and God and a
Bible that my grandmother had written-- GLORIA: Yes, that's
right. KELLIE: --"Seek ye--" What now? GLORIA: It was a--she
had given--she was after her son all of his life, you know, to
serve God. So she had given him another Bible. Ha-ha. And it was
the New English translation. And so she wrote in there, "Seek ye
first the kingdom of God and his righteousness--" that scripture
"--and His righteousness, and all these things will be added
to you." Well, those of you who have heard me very much have
heard me tell you that we needed things really bad. We were
living in a little project-like house without--we had an old
table we bought at Goodwill. I painted it. It looked a little
better. But we had a roll-away bed, and it was rented. We
didn't even own our own roll-away bed. We had an old
car. And I began to--I saw that scripture, "All these things--"
This is in--this is in Mark. "All these things will be added
unto you." Oh, man. I thought, "This is what I've been looking
for." KELLIE: "Best news I've heard all day." GLORIA: And so,
you know, we began to read the Word and study it. And all the
time now, we're beginning to hear Brother Hagin teach on
truth and faith and the Word. It was just a God thing. You know,
He'll do that for anybody that'll just give Him an
opening. You just give Him a crack in the door, and He'll
come in and begin to help you. And we didn't know anything
much. I mean, we'd--we'd been to a meeting where they had prayer
for the sick, or maybe one place, you know, but we didn't
know anything. So this is it. I've got, in Mark 11--I have no
writing space in my wide margin Bible on either page because of
the good things about faith. Your faith, what you believe,
comes from what you see in the Word of God. Faith comes by
hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. And if you'll receive it
and say it, and take it, you can have it. KELLIE: And that one
scripture opened the door-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --to
everything that we live in right now-- GLORIA: That's right.
KELLIE: --and everything that we know, and not just--I so even am
beginning to get away from in terms of everything that we
know. It's when I say that, I'm saying, we now have Him that we
know-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --is where everything-- GLORIA:
All these other things, it says, "Shall be added to you." KELLIE:
Seek first the kingdom of God. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: Seek
first--seek Jesus first and His righteousness, and everything
about Him, and all this stuff gets added. And little by
little, Mom, things were added, truths. Knowledge of God was
added to you. You know, we overcomplicate this Word in
"Christian walk" things so much because we try to do it in our
own selves. Then you start overcomplicating it. GLORIA: Of
course, you were raised to know things that I never even heard
when I was a girl. You were raised in the household of
faith. KELLIE: I'm blessed. GLORIA: And you are blessed.
It's a blessing. KELLIE: I am blessed. GLORIA: Praise God.
KELLIE: But we--then after a few years of--you know, God got Dad
saved, and you were saved, and y'all began to learn a few
things. And then He'd sent you to Tulsa and you learned Mark
11. This is the truth that began to-- GLORIA: Oh, my. KELLIE:
--the next truth, I think, that really began to change your
life. GLORIA: KELLIE: It says, "When they arrived back in
Jerusalem--" This is Verse 15, 11:15. --they "entered the
Temple, and began to drive out the people buying and selling
animals for sacrifices. He knocked over the tables of the
money changers and the chairs of those selling doves, and he
stopped everyone from using the Temple as a marketplace. He said
to them, 'The scriptures declare, "My temple will be
called a house of prayer for all nations," but you have turned it
into a den of thieves.'" Now, look right there what Jesus did.
Jesus looked in the scriptures to know what the house should
look like, to know what the temple should look like. And
really, He had expectation that those temple leaders should have
known that, too. GLORIA: Oh, absolutely. KELLIE: Because why?
They had the scriptures. They should have known. They had the
scriptures. "When the leading priests and teachers of
religious law heard what Jesus had done, they began planning
how to kill him. But they were--" GLORIA: Think about
that. Would you just read that a little slower? KELLIE: (Laughs)
"When the leading priests and teachers of the religious law
heard what Jesus had done, they began planning how to kill him."
"Don't mess with our money now." GLORIA: Does that make any sense
at all? KELLIE: You know what? Let me just back up a little
bit, too, to say, in the verses before that, in Verse 11, Jesus
had come into town. And this is where it says, you know, His
triumphal entry. So Jesus came to Jerusalem and went into the
temple. He went there the day before. Sometimes we forget
that. After looking around carefully at everything, he left
because it was late in the afternoon. Then he returned to
Bethany. So he went and looked around. Now, how did He know
that what He was seeing is not what should have been seen? How
did He know that life was not adjusting to what it should be?
It's because he had seen in the Word-- GLORIA: He knew the
Father. KELLIE: --what the temple--He knew the Father. He
knew the Father's plans for the temple. And He knew, "This is
not right." So just looking at Jesus right here, we can see a
standard for us that when we look around the temple-- GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: --our house, our body, our work,
wherever we are is like the temple. GLORIA: And we have the
great advantage of the written Word. KELLIE: And we are the
temple. GLORIA: We don't have any excuse. KELLIE: When we look
around the temple, and it's not right, He's--we need to start
overturning some things. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: And we
learned that by knowing Him in His Word. GLORIA: Praise God.
KELLIE: There's so much to say this week, but--
GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: --I guess we'll be right
back. GLORIA: Uh-oh. Kellie and I'll be right back.
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