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The actor Fernando Alves Pinto was driving his bike
when the front tire got into a hole
and he was thrown,
he fell on a corner of a car
and then on the floor.
He went into a coma.
It was when he found himself on the edge of an abyss,
before a breathtakingly beautiful view.
Such a story.
Let's watch it?
We are here today with Fernando,
who is going to tell us about a near-death experience that he went through.
Good afternoon, Fernando, so feel free, please,
I would like you to introduce yourself and tell us your story.
Hi... I'm an actor ...
Fernando Alves Pinto.
and I went through this near-death experience, through this NDE ...
yeah... it was like I had ... blacked out ...
and gone till the edge of a precipice ...
with a wonderful view ...
and a desire to jump and dissolve into all that ...
unspeakable ...
but then I looked back and there were still some things to do,
there were people calling and then I came back.
I mean, this is more or less the memory I have.
What's left, correct?
Fernando ... what was the situation that triggered ... this experience?
I had just finished a clarinet lesson with ...
with Lina Chamie, a great friend and film director ...
because I was working for her on a film ...
in which I played the role of a clarinetist.
She's a clarinet player, so she gave me clarinet lessons at her house, which is ...
which was behind Paulista Avenue,
right there,
and I was driving my bike towards Sergio Cardoso theater
because I was working on a translation for a theater / music group ...
the Stomp.
and right after the class I had to go there.
Then, I think it rained the day before ...
or it rained before that ...
and it was all wet, the holes were full of water,
so I did not notice a hole in the middle of the ...
I do not remember the name of that slope ...
the front wheel stuck in that hole ...
I flew...
with this hand I protected my clarinet ...
and with this hand I fell to the ground ...
and I hit my head here ...
probably ... on the corner of a car ... that I hit ... that was parked ...
and then...
people told me that I got up ...
that I said everything was fine...
and then I went into convulsion.
On the street?
On the street. I went into a convulsion on the street and ...
they took me to the nearest public hospital ...
and then I'm not sure about ... the ...
time how it all happened ...
about when I was taken to Einstein Hospital ...
Probably the same day ... I am not sure...
Were you aware that you were hospitalized ... only a few days later?
I have some memory of the hospital ... I stayed in the hospital for twenty days ... I spent almost a month in the hospital.
You've gone under surgery, have not you?
Yes, twice, I went under surgery two times.
Because there was a clot and, after, there was another clot ...
they had to reopen it.
But I have a memory of the hospital,
I have memory of the hospital, I have memory of the hospital including ...
when I... realized the situation ...
suddenly...
and ... before I realize the situation.
Before I realized the situation ...
what I remember is that everything was great, everything wonderful,
everybody was treating me as if I were a baby ...
everybody in a happy mood, everybody around me and happy ...
you mean when you became conscious after the coma?
Yes, yes, when I came back ....
when I started to talk.
people say that when I began to speak I spoke ...
I did not speak Portuguese ... I spoke English or French or Spanish.
My friend Daniel, from Argentina, says that I spoke Spanish with him.
The others, everyone said that I was speaking English...
because I had come back to live in Brazil shortly before
and ... I had stayed in a hospital for a few days ...
when I was living in New York, so ...
for me it was more natural ... to speak English in that environment.
When the priest of my family came ... the priest who was related to the family ...
it's a very big family ...
then, when the priest came in and began to do the extreme unction ...
I was like this ... and then I opened my eyes and said ...
"WHO THE HECK?"
translation: who is the devil?
they say I said that.
You were probably still in the ICU, weren't you?
Yes ... likely ... if he was giving me the extreme unction, I think I was in ICU yet.
Fernando, at what time of hospitalization, or was it right after you fell,
when do you think the experience happened?
The issue of the abyss ...
I ... well ... it's mathematics ... I think it happened during the coma ...
I mean ... it's a deduction that it happened during the coma.
And when you woke up
were you immediately aware that you had been through that experience?
No.
Did it take a while then?
It took a while ... took a few days.
Before the accident ...
I had...
I had separated from my girlfriend ... who was a very sweet girlfriend ...
very dear ... so ... I didn't want to separate...l ...
she wanted... she dumped me
and ... I had ... it's because ... well ...
because I ... because I had this girlfriend ...
but I had occasionally other girlfriends ... anyway ...
those prank stuffs ...
and then...
I...
I had ... I had ...
I had made a mess, I had lost my best friends ...
because I ... had not ... restrained myself ... and I had an affair with the girlfriend of one of them ...
- Oh my God ... what a shame ... - All this in the time (of the NDE)?"
All in the week prior to the accident.
And then my girlfriend dumped me.
I remember ... some days later ...
this girlfriend, who had dumped me
she was taking turns with my mother (at the hospital)...
because we had separated ... two days before...
So ... who looked after me in the hospital were my mother and my girlfriend.
I remember the day I remembered that we had separated.
This happened when ... this happened nearly to when I realized the situation I was in.
because until then, I was being treated like a god, I was being treated like a baby,
everyone was treating me ... very well ... I was in heaven ...
and then suddenly I ... I remembered ... that we had separated and that I was not so well.
The memories ... they were popping up ...
they were as if they were ... as if they were files being opened ... on the computer ...
Do you know when you're at your computer... and suddenly opens a window here,
opens a window here, opens a window here ...
The memories were appearing like this.
For a long time.
For months after the accident thmye head was still ... dispersed in this way.
And...
I remember talking to this girlfriend of mine ...
and suddenly I realized that ... I had almost died ...
because that was what had to happen and ...
and...
This was one of the windows that opened in my head that most astounded me.
That I had almost died and that I had ...
that I had lost my girlfriend.
But I didn't, I didn't have this ... "wow, I saw the Light, I saw God, I saw ..."
I didn't have this.
It happened gradually ...
I don't remember this story getting clear at a specific moment ... I don't remember.
You recovered the story little by little?
Yes, yes.
And you spoke about an abyss ... you saw yourself in a wonderful place ... is that all?
Yes.
It was as if death were extremely seductive,
The death...
The expression "he left towards something better" ...
fits perfectly ...
I have the impression that I saw death,
I "talked" to death and it's not at all scary ... it's ...
it is a relief ... an absurd relieve.
The impression I have ... because it's not linear at all ... it's just ...
As everything is absolutely relative ...
I came back with this certainty,
however relative it may be,
that... that...
later I read in books similar things to what I had felt ...
that the body is just a prison ... the body is a prison.
Oh ... prison, prison ... seems like a criminal thing ... no.
It's just something that ... holds you ...
like this...
and that limits your perceptions.
and that to leave this body through death ...
it's a liberation ... so ...
I recently read about the issue that you dissolve into nothingness.
You become everything.
Did you have the conviction that you somehow got out of your own body?
Yes.
Did you have a clear impression of this?
Yes ... that I left it ...
Not 100% ...
but that I had this possibility of ...
dissolving myself and becoming the whole.
Is it as if you might have access to another dimension in that situation?
Yeah ... exactly.
that in a normal condition you don't have?
Yes, yes.
Did you hear voices, sounds or did you see people?
No, no.
Didn't that happen?
No, I didn't have this ...
Was it a feeling of deep well-being?
Yes ... about death, yes.
We started talking about near-death experience.
Did you have any knowledge ... about this phenomenon ...
near-death experience, before it happened to you?
No, I didn't.
Have you never been interested in this?
No ... I had read a lot of Carlos Castañeda,
I wanted to have ... to have ...
to have those active dreams, in which you leave the body ...
Was (your experience) similar to it?
It was ... a little.
Like a trip?
Yes.
Fernando, people tell... a... very pictorial... story ...
some people ... NDEs are not all equal...
of light, of tunnel, of a friendly voice ... of a reception ... a being of light ... did you have any of that?
Yes, but I have something to say about it.
Actually, I had never made this link so directly ...
but it is like that...
As I told before about how our physical complex here is a limiter of perceptions,
therefore (a limiter) of reasoning ... of everything ...
Shortly afterwards I worked on a Spiritist movie ...
what I ... what I ... what amazed me ...
I was ... what surprised me a little ... about the spiritists ... anyway ... it was the one thing that caught my attention ...
was that they have a fidelity to what is written in the books of the entities
that seemed naive to me.
For the following reason:
The texts?
Not the texts ...
the absolute fidelity to that being the truth.
For the following reason...
outside the body, outside the head, outside ...
outside that limit that we have, within which we do live ...
you are in the ineffable.
The ineffable ... is untranslatable.
The ineffable does not fit into our ideas.
So any description of this ...
is a description ...
It's like you say that ...
The greatest poet in the world
can write a haiku
about the meaning of life ...
But it's a haiku ... it's 16 syllables ... I do not know ... it's 32 syllables ...
It's ... just a description, it's not the real thing.
It is not that "Emanuel wore blue" ...
It is not an absolute discription.
The voice you hear or the person you see ...
are translations that fit in your head.
So they can be anyway ... they can be ...
It doesn't mean that you actually met a person and talked to her.
It was translated that way in your head, now, consciously speaking.
You are talking about the movie but you are talking about your experience too...
Of course, yes, yes, about my experience and about the experience of anyone else,
of any near death experience that had a contact with the ineffable ...
- and now it's ... - trying to translate.
Ineffable is untranslatable ... so, one is trying to translate.
You're translating, so ... it's not that, it's just a translation.
A translation is not the original text.
Fernando, although the experience may be ineffable and it is, in fact,
according to most of the people we interviewed ... or to what we've read ...
I would like you to try to get out of this "no explanation", of this difficulty that you all have
and tried to mention some flashy detail of your experience.
Is it possible?
My history...
is all mixed with the stories that people tell me ...
the people who were with me ...
because my head started to register (what was happening) ...
at least ... at least a week after I got back from the coma... so ...
that's why I only have memory of few days of the time I was still in the hospital.
As I said, I was being treated very well,
I had no idea what was happening,
until I "woke up" and realized that it was not okay, I was ...
I had part of my head shaved ...
a few strands coming out here ...
I could not even read a comic book,
and my head was dispersive the whole time, I was lousy.
I was not well ... and beyond that, I had finished the relationship with my girl friend and ...
and lost my best friend and ...
and I did not know if I would be able to concentrate again.
I remember beginning ... to understand... this situation.
I did not have a feeling that I had a wonderful experience,
I was having a terrible experience,
I was having an experience of uncertainty,
I did not know if I was going to "work" again.
I felt myself landing after a year.
As if I had traveled to ...
as if I had traveled to almost out of the solar system and my car had broken ...
and I was walking back.
That was the feeling I had,
I was trying to walk back without a map.
This whole experience only seemed to me a positive thing ...
after I was back, after I was functioning again,
because until this point I didn't know if...
Dr Poetscher, the neurologist who was taking care of me ...
I "returned" much more than he thought I would "return".
He thought I was going to be "okay",
I was going to be "okay"... and cared.
This girlfriend who took care of me ...
she recorded me talking.
There was no cell phone recording or filming yet. If there were, she probably would have filmed me.
She recorded me ... talking.
When I heard it ...
it really seemed like a pre-teen talking, it sounded like a kid talking.
I had this feeling ...
I had this feeling also during the process of ...
In the first few months ... I had the feeling that I was ... I was ...
that I was with the maturity of ... of 6 yeras, of 15 years, of 13 years ...
I had this feeling of having regressed, of being mentally weak, kind of ... retarded ...
and ... and I felt myself landing ... I do not remember what it was ...
I do not remember what was the event, but I remember having the feeling ...
"I arrived" ... "everything is fine now" ... "I landed".
You describe this return very well ...
and an injury with the gravity of your injury ... we'll show an image of it ...
is a situation well known to physicians, intensivists, neurologists ...
the person gets really regressed ...
and according to the expression you used, you can, as a sequel, get ...
a severe cognitive impairment, even a type of retardation,
depending on the area of the injury, its extension etc.
This is well known.
Now ... I really wanted you to tell us at what time...
this thing seemed to be transcendental ...
and if you were informed... or if you know ...
whether this thing of feeling out of the body or having that experience ...
happened during a seizure crisis ... that you said you had.
Can you talk about it?
Look ...
I know I stayed ten days in a coma ...
it seems that it was not an induced coma, it seems that I went into a coma right there in the...
I had a seizure and ... I blacked out ...
I do not know exactly ... if you faint ... what does ...
what characterizes whether it is a coma or a faint ... I do not know.
But I know I had a ...
I got up after the accident and I said everything was fine, everything was fine ...
I had a seizure,
I fell and I did not get up for ten days.
What it seemed to me ... is that everything ...
this whole image ... this liberation that I felt ... of being ...
of being only watching, of not being involved, of not being hurt,
of the bruising being not important ...
happened during this period when I was in a coma.
Of course, there is also all my observer reasoning ...
which was done later.
And suddenly when we come back to ... when we get back to normal,
what we see, what we listen to ... takes the lead ...
overcomes the sensation ... of the inner experience ... takes the lead ...
so, when I came back from the coma I was more worried about finding out ...
what was happening...
who was that person who was on my side,
that I no longer knew it was my brother.
To call my brother as my uncle??
So ... conscious ...
It's funny ... it seems that being conscious we lose consciousness ...
in a certain way...
when we are conscious, we lose the subconsciousness ...
we lose the bigger part ... in a certain way.
What's curious is that all this ...
are analyzes that I do about the experience.
I do not know...
I sure didn't get it by the time I realized I was just ...
thinking who was that person by my side
and that I was ... "disregarding" the previous experience I had.
The experience of ... seeing that abyss,
of knowing that death is not so ... so tetric
that death in reality is one of the best things that can happen to someone ...
These are the sensations that remained.
These are the sensations that accompanied me
on my return and revealed themselves over time.
Didn't this abyss have a form?
Why do you define it as an abyss?
Because it was a tip ... it was a tip to infinity.
Infinity was right there for me.
Infinity was ...
My chest is already in infinity ...
so I was about to fly ...
I was supposed to fly.
It was a tip ... so you ... had, in a certain way... vision?
Yes ... I saw ...
But the sensation was much greater than a portrait.
The feeling was much greater.
Was it more emotion than vision?
Yes ... emotion ... feeling ...
Feeling.
Feeling of ... dissolving ... feeling of ...
But there was the physical thing of looking behind and seeing that I was being called back.
and seeing that I could solve a lot of things before leaving.
and I mean leaving ... I mean leaving ...
I had this feeling ... there's no way ...
I don't know how to describe it better than that.
As if you were being pulled back ...
Yes.
You couldn't go on in that abyss ...
Yes.
But was it good?
As seductive as it might be, yes.
Fernando ... do you think you've changed ... from that experience?
Was its meaning enough to bring you some change?
Yes but I'm sure also that it was not something immediate.
I mean ... it was not immediate ... it was ... it was ...
it was the ... digestion of everything that happened.
I do this math that I was ... it happened in 96 ... I was 27 years old ...
and then...
It was in August ... it was August 13th ...
until ... August of the following year, when I was 28 years old ...
I was...
64 years old.
It was as if I had relived everything, all 27 years ... again.
Things were all kind of coming back ...
so...
I became more ... I became more experienced ... for sure.
What is very curious is the compartmentalization of the brain
Although there is its plasticity that enables it to modify all the time,
and according to what a doctor said, if it weren't so I wouldn't be talking to you now,
the music...
it was easier for me to deal with it than with the language ... spoken ... or written.
Studying music was easier than studying ... than reading a book ...
than reading a paragraph.
This is really interesting, because ... analyzing from the medical point of view ...
even though the brain is not a mosaic of functions, and it is not ...
it is something that works more like an orchestra,
there are areas of the brain most involved with certain functions ...
for example speech ... it is not the whole brain that speaks,
even though the whole brain has an influence on speech.
It is a more specific area.
The same happens with music ...
So, I'm just making hypotheses ...
I wonder if in the injury you had...
still in that phase of edema, of swelling ... because it takes time to end ...
the area of language ... perhaps was more involved than the brain area involved with music ...
It's a hypothesis that I'm making ...
and it was very important that you could exercise the piano ...
Yes ... the piano, the clarinet ...
Did you get more spiritualized?
I was already quite spiritualized, but probably it made me a little bit more,
but it's ... like ... I think ... I think ... having lived ...
the exaggeration of having ... at the age of 28 ...
in fact I had ... 64 ...
maybe it's too much, but at least 50, at the age of 27 ...
(because of) the time of experience, the intensity of the experience I had,
on Mars's return till here ... from Uranus to here ...
It was a very intense experience.
Answering Dr. Edson's question ...
"Did you get more spiritualized", you answered that you were already spiritualized.
but, before, you were in a more studious... observer form ...
now you had gone through an experience that is ineffable,
I mean, you have a new information.
How did this make a change, if it did, on your understanding?
Things have become clearer ...
more ... for me they were more ... for me I really ... I ...
The way I think about death is now completely different,
death to me is ... something ... super tranquil ...
Have you completely lost any fear you might have before?
Mine or anyone's death.
Dying is not bad.
Dying is only bad because you're going to miss the six o'clock soap opera.
It's not ... it's not bad.
Dying is bad because whoever counts on you, you will let down.
Just because of that.
so ... this for me was ... I did not have it ... this clarity I didn't have ...
this conviction I didn't have ...
this conviction that we are much more than fit ... here ... I didn't have.
Another thing that got clear to me ...
is that we are absolutely responsible for everything that happens with us.
Including accidents, including being a victim of something.
You, in some way, are responsible.
You're accomplice of everybody.
You also are responsible for Trump.
And ... for all those guys.
I will not even go into that.
So ... we are responsible for everything that happens to us,
this is the feeling I had.
that I had this accident to kind of punish me for having lost,
for a foolish thing, for having lost my girlfriend and my best friend ...
for unnecessarily having hurt these people ...
I had this accident as an "either go or split", "either split or go."
I had this feeling about my responsibility in that accident.
What is the message you leave for everyone, Fernando, from your near-death experience?
We just have to take advantage of what we have here ...
so that... we can get more and more independent of ... this small ... that we have.
It is very interesting what yoga does, for example.
Because yoga makes you millimetrically study your body, the functioning of your equipment ...
so that you can free yourself from it, so that you do not need it.
What I also learned on this interplanetary trip I made ...
It is...
whatever we live, millimetrically,
nano ... how do you say ... nanometrically ...
everything is very important, everything is very important and rich ...
for us to learn, for us ... for us to take advantage of learning,
of learning, of absorbing everything that we ... can ...
and ... observing.
So that we can observe, we need silence, we need to be quiet ...
So that we can listen ...
see...
feel...
everything... because everything is so much precious...
since we are prisoners of this machine here,
let's ... at least use it to receive the way it is able to receive ...
which is by touch, by sight, by hearing ... and by sensations.
That is to enjoy ... life.
To be more independent of our little body.
Much to think about, is not it?
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