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In this second part of the interview, Neia talks about her perception ...
that even if she crossed the limit ...
she would not stay in that place she saw.
She would be taken to another place.
Shall we watch?
And returning was very difficult.
It was not as easy as it was to come to that point.
I got out of the body ...
I saw myself floating ...
I was letting myself to go ...
it seemed to me to have happened quickly because I felt that gravitational power ...
You know, like a rocket ...
but returning was not easy.
One reason is that I did not want to return.
Deep in my heart.
but also because it seemed that the return journey was more painful.
But I was already halfway and I could not just stay there.
So...
it was difficult ... but I began to make the trip ... contrary ... toward Earth.
I'd like you to detail as much as you can about this return.
It was the same way ...
the same tube ...
and in some moments ... I stayed hovering ...
and I could not ...
continue ... returning ...
and I got despaired again ...
because ... "what now?" ... "I'm in trouble!"
What you mean by "again"? ... at what time did you get despaired before?
In the beginning...
when I was not understanding what was happening.
When you were out of the car?
Out of the car, watching my body.
When I got aware [of what was happening] I calmed down.
Then I got despaired again,
because I was already far away from that place ... where I wanted to go ...
and I was not able to keep returning to Earth.
At this moment what did you see around you?
It was dark ...
as if I were coated.
So you were not at some place in the universe ...
with stars, planets ... didn't you see anything?
I did.
After getting through ... this moment ... when I prayed to God ...
I begged...
[saying] that He knew ... that I did not want to return ...
but I needed to return ...
[and I asked Him] to help me to return ....
and that I could fulfill all that ...
mysteriously I knew I had promised someone that I was going to do here.
So ... that He could help me to return ...
that I would do everything I needed to do ...
ASAP...
and when He thinks it's time ...
then I will go ...
without questioning ...
and completely happy... back to that place.
And then my body ... as if it had detached itself ... from a chain ...
started to come down ...
I started to see the stars ...
Was the Earth still far away?
Or did not you even see Earth?
I was not seeing Earth ...
until it appeared very small ...
"I think it's there" ...
and then it increased ... increased ... increased ...
I entered the globe ...
I felt the impact ...
Impact of entering the globe?
It was like an energy ... that began ... to overburden my spirit.
And I kept coming down ...
I saw the states ...
the cities...
the neighborhoods
the streets...
the street where I was ...
the car...
my body...
and my husband arriving at the hospital...
still despaired.
When he stopped [the car], my spirit was already close to it...
and he [the spirit] entered [my body] through my feet.
The passage ... when the spirit went through... my body ...
until this hight and it settled in this shape ...
in this flesh...
it was sore.
I do not know if this happened because I was still resisting ...
but I think it just happens like that ...
because occupying this body ...
is painful...
it is heavy...
it deprives you of the feeling of freedom.
But it happened.
And...
when I finished accommodating [in the body] ...
my heart started beating ...
the hearing ... here ... opened ...
I began to perceive what was around me ...
and... finally...
my breath ... and my vision.
And...
when he [my husband] saw me ... opening my eyes ... waking up ...
he ... crying ... hugged me ...
he opened the car door and came [to the other side] to get me out of the car ... to carry me ...
and I said ... "I do not want" ... "I will not get out" ...
- "But you need" ... - I'm not getting out.
I've always been a very angry person ...
very firm
and for being firm ... when he insisted I said ... "I do not want" ...
"after what I've been through ... now ... no doctor can do anything for me" ...
When you say that "you've been through" does this mean you have returned aware of everything that happened?
Yes.
Instantly?
Instantly.
So I told him ... "I do not want ... I want to go home ... we have a party ... guests ..."
"my mother must be desperate" ...
because I left without telling anyone.
I just ... when I felt that pain ...
I walked to the gate ...
and when he arrived driving the car I got in the car and said "get me out of here ... take me to the hospital".
So nobody knew where I was.
Nobody saw.
Then I said ... "Let's go home."
And he did it?
He said ... "I can not take you home ... look how you are" ...
and when I looked in the mirror ...
my eyes were still bulging ... my hair was that big ...
there was still something not normal.
Then I said ... "I comb my hair and it's okay ... I'm fine ... let's go."
On the way back ... after having convinced him ...
Wow ... you're really convincing.
I'm ... damn good on that...
He was already close to the hospital.
We were at the hospital door ... at the hospital parking lot.
So much so that he opened the door to get me out of the car.
I didn't...
You didn't allow to be carried.
No, no and no.
The only thing I said to him is ...
"after what I've been through ... now ..."
"[after] what I just passed ..."
"I do not die any more."
"Let's go home."
But ... on the way ... I could not deny ...
that I felt a pain ... a discomfort ...
and when we were on big square here in Guarulhos ...
I said ... "stop the car at that pharmacy ..."
"Let me measure my pressure ... I think there's something about my pressure."
I've never had a pressure problem in my life.
I had never measured my pressure in the my life.
When he stopped the car ...
I went in the pharmacy... carrying my bag ... carrying weight ...
I wanted to carry everything mine ...
and I went in and asked an old man who worked in the pharmacy ... "can I measure my pressure?"
I sat down.
He measured my pressure ... looked at me ... measured a second time ...
he went to get another device ... measured again ...
He went to call another man.
This other man came ...
he measured the pressure with the device ... took another device ... measured the pressure ... looked at me ...
told me ... "wait a minute" ...
he went to call another man ...
this third man came ... measured the pressure only once ... looked at my husband and said ...
"Are you crazy?"
"How did this woman walk in here?"
"Her pressure is 2."
"And it's the same [2 by 2]".
"Get this woman out of here for God's sake."
"Do not choose the hospital."
The same phrase the first doctor said.
"At the first hospital [you see] you stop with this woman."
"But you have to hurry, young man, fast, fast."
And he put me standing to walk ...
I got in the car ... and I said ... "no despair ... now we go home."
And he wanted to question me ... saying that we had to go to the hospital ...
and I ... "I do not want to go to the hospital ... I want to go home."
He started arguing with me ...
and I said to him ... "nothing you say [will convince me] ...
if you insist ... and we go to the hospital ... I'm going to get in through the front door and get out through the back door. "
And were you able to walk normally?
Well ... according to the pharmacist, he did not understand how I was standing ...
How I got in the pharmacy
But I felt an inner strength.
Although my physical ... body...
I felt pain in my physical body ... I I felt an uneasiness ...
I felt bad
but ... inside me ... I was fine.
and euphoric for all that I have lived.
but I had no intention or desire to tell my husband ... about what I had experienced.
In fact ... at that moment ... to no one.
because I still needed to understand what had happened to me.
So ... I did not feel like ...
and I not even think my husband would understand ...
indeed ... as he never got to understand this passage.
So I said to him ... "so it's okay ..."
"we go home ..."
"we tell my mother ... who's taking care of all the guests" ...
"nobody knows what happened"...
"so... let's go home"...
"I tell my mother and we come back."
"Is it ok?"
That way I ended up convincing him.
When I entered the gate of my house ...
I told him ... "we're not gonna tell anyone ... I was not feeling good."
"no one."
"We have a party ... the house is full" ...
"and when the last guest leaves" ...
I go to the hospital."
"If I feel bad I'll do it the same way I did when it all started" ...
"I will ask you to take me to the hospital ... is that okay?"
And even feeling my body heavy ... the arms ... heavy ...
I smiled ...
I served the people...
and I was a good host ...
I made my daughter happy at her three-year-old party ...
and I did not go back to the hospital.
But six months later ...
I was still in discomfort ...
a malaise ...
something that disturbed me a lot.
When I lay down it looked like the things that were inside ...
they were like a loose pendulum inside me ...
my heart...
I thought ... "I think I'd better go and see a doctor" ...
and so I did.
I chose carefully ... and ...
Well ... the best medical doctor in my opinion was the doctor who already ...
took care of my mother since many years ago ... he was a Chinese ...
and besides ... because I really insisted ...
he ended up being Leila's pediatrician [Neia's daughter] ...
so he knew very well ...
You're very good to insist ... I can see ...
You can imagine ... the geriatrician ... taking care of pediatrics ...
I'm getting scared ...
I told him ... "I trust you" ...
"a little body ... a big body ... it's the same thing" ...
And so... he took care of both of them for me.
So I made an appointment with him ...
and he ... "something happening to Mrs. Maria? ... to Leilinha [daughter]? ... Where are they?"
I said ... "No, today is me ... I wanted to make an appointment, Doctor."
That was another oddity, because I was halfway to his specialty.
But...
he...
decided ...
[he asked] what are you feeling?
a certain discomfort ... I have a malaise that is always with me ...
This has been happening since some time ... I have not slept very well ...
It seems like it weighs a little ... I do not know what ...
[He said] ... 'alright' ...
He got the stethoscope ... put it in his ears ...
and brought it to my heart.
When he brought it to my heart, his expression changed.
He began to palpate and examine me ...
and to ask me if it hurts [when pressing] , and so on...
and I ... "well, doctor ... it's a discomfort."
He said ... "look ..."
"you have a very serious problem" ...
"a heart problem".
"And this is not from now ... I'd say you're having an infarct" ...
"at least since ... five or six months".
I said ... "doctor ... infarct kills" ...
He said ... "Indeed."
And I ... "how can a person be infarcting for so long?"
Did I have a heart attack back there and I am still having a heart attack?
He said ... "it's possible, Neia" ...
there are small ... there are spasms, there is this ... there is that ...
but one can have ... an infarction that lasts ... a long time.
and you have to take care because ... for God's sake ... at any moment you can have ... and then you die ...
you may die ... from that.
But doctor ... you're saying all this just because you put this thing in the ear?
For God's sake.
You are exaggerating.
Then ... in our talk ... he insisted it wasn't something that was happening ...
now, that day, that week, that month,
[according to him:] "it was something" ...
"I would tell you that you had a heart attack" ...
"and you didn't get better, you're still having it" ...
"and ... from what I'm perceiving here" ...
"this problem is with you for a few months ... 5 to 6 months".
When he told me this ... I ...
Did you do the math?
Doctor ... look ... on such a date, so, so ... I felt a very strong pain ...
Far from me telling a doctor all this story I related here.
I told only about the pain.
[him:] "after the pharmacy ... you did not go [to see what it was?]"
"Rosineia, we have to do some exams right away" ...
"immediately."
He got the prescription and .. "this one you will take now ... right after you leave ..."
and he asked me some exams.
And I did not do any of them.
I got the prescription and threw it away.
Did not you do any of the exams?
No.
But I was still not feeling very well.
I came back to him ... he scolded me ...
"hey, doctor, stop scolding me ... I'm here because I'm not well ... take care of me."
Then ... again ... "you're going to take this" ... "did you take it?" ...
[And I] "No ... I threw it away."
"OK."
"Rosineia ... your life is at stake."
"Look ... one of my specialties ... is cardiology."
"I know what I'm talking about."
My case became a study of medicine ... of science ...
because ... usually women don't infarct ...
if a woman infarcts before age 48 ...
it is fulminant.
According to them.
So my case turned out to be a study.
To give you an idea, this doctor changed his profession.
Because of you?
I helped.
He changed to alternative medicine ...
after he himself had to live some things.
He came to the conclusion that traditional medicine ...
although he were an excellent surgeon ...
a very studious guy ...
because of my case he began to study in parallel alternative medicines ...
to help me ... since I was such a ... rebellious person.
When I got there he repeated I was going to die.
And I was nervous and ...
I ripped the prescription and threw it on him ... and said ... "everybody is going to die someday ..."
"stop being a pain in the ass."
"I came here to find a solution."
"you're bringing me one more problem."
"Stop this."
He wanted to clog me with medicine.
But did you go and do the exams he asked?
In this day that he convinced me that I was going to die ...
That was the second time [that you were there] ...
[I thought] "oh ... he doesn't understand anything."
Then he noticed this [thought] in me.
Then he opened his agenda and said ...
"Look ... this is a guy I trust."
"A lot."
"Go after him."
I looked ... and I saw that he was a cardiologist.
He said ... "Do not believe what I'm saying."
"May I make the appointment? I call him now and mark you tomorrow morning."
[I said] "No, no, I'll do it."
I got out of there ... [thinking] "for sure ... right after I'm out of here he'll call the guy."
"No way."
But when I arrived at the office the next day I myself made appointment with three cardiologists ... in three different places.
I spent the day paying for appointments and doing the exams.
The first cardiologist said that I was going to die very soon ...
the second said that I was going to die anyway ... because I was in the middle of a heart attack ...
the third ... he gave me a thread of hope ...
because ... well ... there are many ways you can be examined ...
and one of them is when the doctor palpates ... your whole body.
After he did ... the electro ... other things ... the interview ... the palpating ...
he put me in front of him ...
and said ... "Look ... I need to study your case ..."
"I am not understanding."
"What aren't you understanding?"
For none of them I said anything about what happened [about the NDE].
I just said it was a routine appointment.
He said ... "interesting ..."
"your electrocardiogram shows ..."
"your interview ... by your interview I give you very little time to live."
"You are a person who can not receive news ..."
"nor that you won the lottery nor that a dear relative of you died."
"Because you're going to get sick ... you're going to die."
"But it's interesting ... because palpating you I feel ... different."
"I need to understand ... I need to study this."
I used what he said ... that was what interested me ...
and said ... "Doctor ... you're right."
"I will not die..."
And I started myself to give me the diagnosis ...
[He said] "Why do not you want to accept that you have a problem ... a serious problem?
I said ... "Doctor ... I do not feel like this."
And he said ... "who is the cardiologist... you or me?"
And I said ... "you may have studied a lot, but who feels inside is me."
"And within me, it is I who dwells, you do not dwell."
"My heart is not sick."
"I'm sure about this."
But I ... with these informations ... I went back to the Chinese guy.
When I came back to the chinese ... I said ...
"here it is ... your diagnosis ... and three more."
"I liked this one here ..."
"that found..."
"who didn't understand why in one way the problem exists and not in another."
"So we are going to follow this line ... okay?"
And he said ... "Neia, there's no way ... with you."
He had already scheduled the heart surgery for me.
[He said] "You are a rebellious person ... you want to give order to everyone ... you will end up dying."
"So we better do something ... it's better to go through this surgery ... as soon as possible ..."
I said ... "Roberto" ...
"I do not know what happens to me"...
"I do not feel all this."
"Let's just live."
"Let's see how far we can just live."
"You'll help me if I need."
And after that I continued my life.
Until then I had not told anyone...
nothing, absolutely nothing.
One day I commented about that day [the NDE] with my mother.
My mother said ... "stop, Neia, stop ... it's created by your imagination."
For my mother ... anything ... that were not real ... palpable, frightened her.
She was a wonderful person.
Very religious.
But she did not want to ... talk about it... she was very afraid ... of death.
My husband ... was ... my ex-husband ... was ...
and he is to this day a person who has no commitment ... with anything.
If it is difficult to think about something, it's better not to think.
It's better ... you know ... why should I think about it?
If it happened or if it didn't happen ...
let's drink a beer, and that's it.
A person without commitment with life.
And I had no one else to talk to ...
about such great intimacy.
The time was going by...
the ... Chinese cardiologist ... cornering me ... saying that I had to go under surgery ... surgery ... surgery ...
And one day I made a decision.
As I was going to die ...
I decided to live well until the day I died.
So ... I was not going to keep anything inside me ...
any resentment ... or leave for tomorrow any thing [that should be done at the moment] ...
so ... if you stepped on my callus I'd tell you ... "I didn't like it, okay?"
Everything would be resolved at the time it happened.
And I began to realize ...
after a while ... with my [new] attitudes that haunted everyone ...
because I started saying "no" ...
many "no" ...
and I realized that I started to feel better.
And that is what was the subject ... that's what made medicine study my case.
Because when I felt free from that malaise ...
I went back to the Chinese and I said ... "I want a complete check-up".
This motivated by your change of your inner attitude?
Yes.
Of not keeping resentment ...?
Of not keeping anything.
If someone hurts me now ...
The person would know it.
I wouldn't go home and think later ... "Gee ... such a person hurt me."
No.
I would talk to the person at the time it happened.
What I had to say would be said all at once.
I was still not taking medicine ...
because I was afraid of... taking it ...
and getting groggy to fulfill that mission with my daughter.
In that moment ... of change ..
looking back, would you say that you used to keep resentments? ...
these resentments ... was that a habit for you?
Yes...
It was...
so that I wouldn't upset the other person.
I would rather be upset and hurt than to tell the other person that he or she hurt me.
And sometimes people hurt others even without knowing they did it.
Is not that true?
it is something more related to me than to the other.
Because as much as you want to offend me ... hurt me ...
You'll only succeed if I accept this for me ...
if I take this and think ... "wow ... look ..." and if I wear it.
So ... I came to live in a different way.
And all this also led to my divorce.
and then I realized that I was sleeping better since some time ago ...
I was already better ...
so I went back for the Chinese and ...
Wow ... this Chinese examined me through all kinds of exams ...
Finally he told me ... "if someone else had told me ... but I diagnosed you."
"I know what your problem was."
"I don't understand."
I said "and what if I had let you do my surgery?"
"if now you're talking all this talk ..."
I asked ... "What diagnosis would you give me now?"
He said...
"your heart gets sick" ...
"you're going to die ... you can die, okay?" ...
"But the only thing I can tell you now is this:"
"Your heart gets sick."
"It was sick."
"It is not sick anymore."
After that ... well ... I continued to live my life ...
but I always felt ... the longing ... of that person ... who was waiting for me ...
the longing of that place ...
which, incredible as it may seem, Carlos ...
I also knew that that place
so beautiful ... and so wonderful ...
which I knew so well ...
It was not where I was going to live ...
as a spirit.
Explain this better, please.
It was as if I were going to have a nice reception ...
in a place where one day I really lived ...
a pure place ...
but that it did not belong to me ...
in that moment.
But I would be received at that location ...
I would live [there] a little ... a little bit ...
and I would be led ... to my true home.
I mean... when I leave this body.
You say true home but that one had already been your home... or not?
That one had been ... I knew it very well.
Okay ... and this true home in what it was different?
It was not such a wonderful place.
All this that happened ...
I kept in my mind...
but I would not martyrize myself ...
because a doctor said one thing and another said something else ...
I would live my life the best I could... and being responsable ...
with my life ... with the lives of those around me ...
of those under my tutelage ...
my daughter, my mother ...
and I would live one day at a time.
All this all after my return to the Chinese, when he said that my heart gets sick ...
and that now it is not?
And that he was going to take this to be studied by medicine.
And I told him ... "this is a problem of yours ... it's not mine anymore ... okay?"
Thanks for everything...
my daughter will continue having you as her doctor, my mother will continue having you as her doctor...
but I do not need your medical advice any more.
And from then on I just lived my life.
Because it's like this ... for me ... I had a deadline here in this life ...
and [after that] I would return ...
to some place... unkown to me yet.
I had all this perception but I had not ...
I lived all that but I had no understanding of it all.
I did not know what that was.
as I tried to talk to my mother...
my best friend, my greatest confidante ...
as I tried to talk about it with my greatest love, my husband ...
and I already had a negative reception, I kept it all just for me.
And I noticed that no one talked about this subjet.
I had never heard of it.
But I couldn't question something that I I knew I had lived ...
I could not question myself.
I lived that.
then I just kept this to myself...
with the firm certainty of what I had to do ...
to raise my daughter ...
to make her a good human being ...
a wonderful human being...
and that she would stay on Earth so that I could leave.
And I lived my life.
Without worrying ...
because between me ... and the directions of that person ...
"You have to finish ... you promised that you would do this ...
So ... being so ... I did not know for how long ...
I had promised that I would stay here taking care of people and things.
But this was inside me.
So I had to do it ... in the best possible way.
And...
I did it...
I went on living.
A certain day ... years later ...
I was sitting on the couch ... on a Sunday ... at night ...
and I saw ... on tv ...
a reporting ...
in a program called "Fantastico" ...
about the sensation ...
of a person...
who was dead in the physical body .
Then, the testimony of that person began... as I am trying to do here now.
In the middle of this testimony I thought ...
"How is this possible?"
"This woman is talking about me" ...
"I never told that to anyone."
"how is it possible?"
The only thing different is that she arrived at the hospital
she went to the surgery room...
she was opened ...
and she saw the whole surgery ... and she saw herself dead ...
and she did ... she told about a trip ...
few things were different... she practically said the same things that I had lived.
That lightened me.
I thought ... "Oh my God ... so this is real!"
And it exists for more than one person ...
It is not just me ... who have experienced this ...
other people also have ...
There must be lots of people who also have...
And I started to do research but ... where?
Where to start?
I used to be very religious but religion did not bring me ... any special content in that regard.
Each one has his or her own way of being ... and believing ...
and there are the forbidden things ...
and if there is spirit ... it's just the devil ... just ...
and I thought it was all wrong.
I researched many books ...
I read all about Chico Xavier ...
I attended ... a Spiritist Center ... for 19 years ...
to understand ... I've never been a spiritist ...
but for 19 years ... twice a week ...
I was at the place
observing ... and trying ... to absorb knowledge.
Many things were falling into place ... many things.
I began to have understanding.
But the understanding ... where everything fit like a glove ...
I found when I first knew Art Mahikari.
And then...
to speak about spirits ...
about disembodied people ...
because they exist ...
and I knew they existed ...
because I used to see them.
I've spent my teenage years ...
my childhood phase ...
seeing people...
that ... dematerialized before me ...
and that brought me a certain ...
because I was raised in a Catholic home ...
and those things should not happen ...
because if there is not a body ...
It's Satan ... it's the devil ...
there are so many given names ... to a spirit ...
But I saw them.
They talked to me.
I had a relationship.
And you talked about it to your family because you were a child, right?
But I was censured.
Because they thought I had a very fertile imagination.
But I kept thinking ...
"Where is this imagination coming from?"
Because it was not an usual subject,
there was no place where I could learn so many details that I knew and wanted to tell ...
because it was not allowed
So for a while I started to think I was not a normal person.
I prayed a lot, I prayed to God asking not to feel or see or perceive anything.
And for a period of time... about 5 or 6 years ...
really ... it looks like it was blocked.
Then I had this experience [NDE] ...
At 22 years old?
At the age of 22.
Then ... no ... there's no way I can still deny it ...
There is something...
and I need to figure out what it is.
And then I started to search for knowledge.
But a near-death experience of someone ... like me ...
that had died and that is speaking here ...
"look ... I saw myself dead ... I felt ... I saw everything they did with my body ... '
"I heard everything they said about what was happening to my body ..."
"I made a trip..."
"I went to another place and I was sent back."
This... I had never done before.
I had never put my hand on a book that would tell me such a thing.
Then it enlightened me.
I needed to dig deeper ...
I needed to investigate this better ...
I needed to try to contact other people who had lived this experience.
Because deep down I felt the urge ... the need ...
that you're providing me now ...
thirty-four years later ...
of talking about it
This is being so good for me.
For all of us.
Very good indeed...
- you know... - For all of us.
to be able to live ... to experience ... to feel again ...
all those sensations that I felt.
In the next and last part of the interview of Neia, which will be published in two weeks,
she tells us, among other things, about the happiness she felt in that place,
about the memory she had of other lives, about what she did in other lives,
and also she tell us about her perception of the energy of invisible beings.
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