Hello, everybody. Welcome to Immigration Live!
Episode number 7.
Can you believe that? We're at number 7. We're rolling.
And today, it's part 2. Marguerita Jane Dentino. Part two of our interview.
I cut her off abruptly last time, so I decided to come right back with her.
We've got a lot more to share with you.
Hi Marguerita. How is everything on the East Coast?
Oh, Hi Carlos. It is wonderful to be together again.
We're fine. We're in the struggle. I mean it is nice to partner with our people in California.
Yeah, hey, I hope your commentary lights up the masses today.
Let's get them all excited. Join the movement. Get out there and join the struggle.
We are in a struggle, aren't we?
Hey, you know what, if you're out there in Live Land, say something.
Oh, we have a guest. Let's see who we have here. Oh, Chasity.
She says hi. Do you want to say hi to her?
Hi Chasity. How are you doing? Yeah, we're going to show you our two students who are with us today, too.
Hello.
Hey, Chasity. Anyone else out there?
Say hi. Chasity has that big circle around her name.
That is where her face should be but that is her logo so we need her next time to see her face.
But anyway Chasity, feel free to ask a question. Anyone else out there, feel free to ask a question.
And I'll certainly dump it on Marguerita.
Oh well. We're working together.
So, today what I would like to do. Let's start the broadcast. I want to talk to you.
You mentioned last time towards the end of the show that you have some volunteers.
And that your volunteers basically work for free and they're college students and they're,
you know, they're smart folks. I remember those days, the days of unbridled optimism.
So, if you don't mind, I would like to talk to a couple of them. Are they…
Hello. So who is going first?
I will be fine.
Are you sure?
Okay. So, this is Vivian here. Vivian, would you like to say hello to everyone?
Hello everybody. It is nice to meet you. Hi.
And with her is Noah Mester, right?
Hi.
Okay. So, let's start with you Vivian. How did you get involved with Casa Freehold?
It was Noah's introduction to the place.
I was looking for some internship opportunities
and possibly with a non-profit, and Noah is my friend from high school.
So he was like "Hey, I'm working for this non-profit organization."
So what high school did you go to so you can give them a shout out right here for the world to hear?
Dr. Marlboro High School.
Alright! Just want to say it with pride . . . you know the cheering song.
I don't remember it.
So, were the two of you involved in things like student government or anything extracurricular?
No, I'm in a business program.
No or you were just…Our student government is not that much of a thing.
Yeah, in our school the student government did not have much authority so or any power or structure.
It is basically the prom planning committee.
Yeah, it was a prom planning.
So, we didn't really care much for that. And we were both in some sort of political clubs during high school.
So, you were both involved in student politics or not?
Not particularly, there wasn't really student…called politics
We were like in political discussion clubs but not really activists until college.
Okay and what turned you into activists?
I would say fundamentally our beliefs have remained unchanged
Yeah.
…since middle school so…
We both have been, yeah,
we see the world as having a lot of, you know,
there are a lot of things that are not so good and it's our duty as people can make a difference,
to try to make a difference.
You know, I still recall my first day in college. I had a history professor.
He was from Long Island.
He went up to the chalk board and he said to us.
I mean he turned back to us for about five minutes after class started and everyone's sitting there.
Then he turns his back around and he pounds his fist on the desk and he says,
"I can't sleep at night because Richard Nixon is my president!"
Then he turns his back to us again.
And then another five minutes, he pounds his hands to the desk again and said,
"I can't sleep at night because Spiro Agnew is my vice president!
And he turns around again for about five more minutes.
Then, he turns around the third time, and he pounds the desk,
"I can't sleep at night because Ronald Reagan is my governor!"
"Class dismissed!"
That was my first college professor and he, politically, has been the most influential person of my life.
Those first 15 minutes woke me up from not knowing anything in politics to wanting to know everything.
It really was an eye-opener, so I understand college is an eye-opener for a lot of folks.
So, but what brought you to immigration specifically?
So, I can…well, I brought you here in Casa Freehold.
I'll say on a personal level, the way I found about Casa Freehold was last summer.
I was interning with some state legislators, state legislators in our area
and one of the things they did, you know, was pick up track and kept relationships
with different organizations. Some are non-profits and etcetera.
and Casa Freehold was sort of one of the organizations on the big list I was helping out with.
I mean I took note of it when I thought because it seemed like it was a really good thing,
so I wrote down the name, and I basically put it in my pocket for six months.
And then, you know, that was the summer 2016,
so the election came out a couple of months later
and everyone was kind of dumbfounded about what happened
and I sort of took it out of my pocket and I decided that because of all the stuff going on in America,
I felt like I didn't have a choice but to be an activist to try to make things better.
That's how I got here . . . immigrant communities are especially targeted today.
And so, did you influence Vivian, or did she influence you?
I mean I asked if he have any summer opportunities. Really that is what kick-started things.
And Noah was going around looking for people to recruit for Casa Freehold.
Oh, I thought we were. There's a lot of from one person today.
Yeah. I'm a daughter of two immigrant parents. It's an issue I'm familiar with.
I feel like…my mom is from China. My dad is from Japan.
I feel like if there's any point to be active in the immigrant community,
I feel like if there's any point to be active in the immigrant community,
So are you like, they were immigrants so you're first generation here in the U.S.
Ah, okay, that's same situation I was in, you know. And what do your parents feel towards immigration?
My dad, they . . .
Do they agree with you or they think you're off your rocker? Be truthful here.
My dad is still a Japanese citizen, so he said if he gets too bad, we can still go back.
How about your mother?
My mother's the same thing. She was a huge Clinton supporter in 2008,
so I think this election really was sort of like, wow, she's like if we wanted to go to Canada,
we have your sister's husband.
And how about you Noah, what's your family's immigrant history there.
Now you do have one, right? I'm kidding.
My grandma or my grandmother on my mother's side was born in Sicily,
and she immigrated just after World War II to United States.
While on my father's side, both of my, I think it's my great, great grandparents
moved over from what was then part of Austria in Eastern Europe right before World War I.
And so although both of my parents were born here, my grandma who is an immigrant has my support all my life.
That's interesting. Now, do you think - maybe you've never thought about -
you know, a lot of times, you know, there's this debate on immigration,
in fact I posted an article yesterday on my Facebook page,
about the history of immigration.
Do you think like that generation, you know, like Vivian is first generation while you are second generation U.S.,
do you think that there is not just its one generation or another,
but do you think that has an effect on how the public views immigration because
a lot of times they refer to the older immigrants versus the newer immigrants.
I think it definitely almost a distinction in sort of public view of different generations.
There was a whole idea that political like first generation,
children immigrants anchor babies so their parents could stay.
We'll let's say second and third generation that they're just not seeing that way,
so I think that definitely has a factor in sort of public view
and there's also just the obvious factor of sort of biggest race
how because the newer immigrants tend to be, you know, Hispanic, Asian who's not white
they're seen as therefore, they're seen is more foreign than the older groups of Americans by the society.
And thank you. We're going back to that debate.
We're going back to the debate that we had in the early 1960s about immigration
with the Trump's new marriage-based immigration system which I'm not getting into it here.
. I've written quite a bit about it, what I really think about it.
Anyway, so tell me, Vivian, how has working with Casa Freehold shaped you going forward in your career?
I mean after giving you a…you might want to do this or I might want to do that versus
when you started working there.
I mean when I first started working, I was also a little bit undecided on,
I even my major for example I was going to the business program
to continue what I learned in high school, but I think working here made me realize
like how much non-profit work actually like not only just matters to the community
but also like matters to I guess you could say me personally.
From this point on, I was thinking of maybe pursuing something more intensely in labor relations
and working closely with directly with the people
because we have a lot of exposure to immigration lawyers
who have done wonderful things for Casa Freehold,
and there's been a league of many day laborers who are very kind
and who I've interacted with have are just really inspiring.
And Noah how about you?
So, I'm currently an International Relations major.
Yay! That was my major.
And with sort of, my focus on I'm currently focusing on Human Rights within that major.
This is almost cemented my decision in that because the more I've worked here,
the more I see that sort of Human Rights Workers' rights,
immigrants' rights are so very intertwined, and it's like you can't have,
it's like almost kind of want without having the other,
it seems like just in general justice and rights for everyone, it seems almost like all or nothing, I guess.
And so, one last question here. So, are either one of you thinking about becoming a lawyer?
Yeah.
Yeah. We're both thinking about it.
Yeah, it's something I would definitely, one of the things I actually consider doing
after college is going to law school.
That's nice. That's nice. Well, I say,
because a lot of, you know, your stories about a lot of lawyers burning now.
I tell people that if you are going to be a lawyer,
choose a subject area that you love.
Absolutely choose something because it will tell your profession, and if you choose an area that you love,
it's a lot easier to be a lawyer because you basically fighting for a cause or a belief
or a philosophy that you believe in.
So you know if you decide to do that,
I would suggest, you know, think about it carefully because a lot of lawyers go to law school and then,
you know, for financial reasons, they feel that they got to take a job and it is not necessarily what they love
you know you read all the negative stories about lawyers burning out,
quitting the profession, they are unhappy.
And I think a lot of this is because they just don't do what they really love.
Just do what you love and do it just as much as you can and you'll be fine.
If you decide to become a lawyer. That would be my tip for the day for you.
Thank you.
Okay, so good luck and maybe we'll talk again. Is Marguerita still around?
Here I am.
All right! All right!
So Marguerita, you wanted to, you mentioned something the other day about the
about the criminalization of immigration,
and I wanted to see if you wanted to discuss that a little.
First of all, I've got of people here, we got to say hello to,
my wife is on the air so let me say hi to my wife. Hi Angie, I'm here.
I'm glad you're watching.
Hi Carlos and his wife.
Angie's her name. You see her name right there.
But she has one of those locals without a face so and then there's Lisa Murdoch.
Oh, another one without logo. Remember to put face on their logo.
Hi Lisa. So, we know at least three people are bold out there.
Feel free to ask loaded questions because I will sure to pass it on Marguerita to answer.
I'm passing the buck today. Anyway, okay, so back to criminalization of immigrants.
Well the reality is something we've seen for a long time.
It's not a new thing. However, under the Trump regime.
It's intensified a hundred times and a big example of that
would be the DACA students because they are vetted.
They go through a long process of being accepted into that program
until they're finally missing their approval and previously they were seeing us model,
potential, future citizens.
And they are huge contributors to our country.
Now, Trump has turned around on one hand he said,
"Oh were going to keep on going with DACA."
And then in the very next breath he's saying, "They're gang members.
They're selling drugs. They're committing various crimes."
So, you can't have it both ways.
You can't say, "Oh these are great people and these are criminals.
And basically, that is what they are doing one at the same time.
You know, there is another article I posted just this morning about
the number of the rest that are occurring at court houses across the country.
There's no no exact number and the article I thought was,
you know, it was objective but what it did, it did mention one thing that Trump administration,
one of the slogans that they are pushing which is that, "Blue lives matter."
You know that the police officer's safety is a concern that when they go and arrest, you know,
the more violent criminals.
But the article also mentioned that so many of the arrests outside the courthouse
aren't necessarily the violent criminals.
Is this, is it the criminalization that you're talking about?
Is that a reflection on criminalization that you're talking about?
There are places, I mean, we've seen some of these arrests in courthouses when people thought they were
going into safe situations.
And I mean we have members who was hit by a drunk driver coming home from work on his bicycle,
and he has to go to court to testify as the victim,
as an undocumented person.
He puts himself at risk of being picked up at the same time, you know.
And so, he is not doing anything against anybody.
He is simply contributing. He works. He pays his taxes.
He has lived here for almost 20 years. This kind of thing,
we have other women going in for domestic violence cases
and women and men but mostly women and again they are victims
but now they are at risk. I saw an article.
I'm sure you probably did too, you know, the Houston Police chief talking
about a level of crime is still there but they are having to work.
The police job is much harder to try to find out, you know, get victims to testify, get people in the community
to talk, to have people to go to courthouses, they're afraid to go to court houses.
They're afraid to go to schools. They're afraid to go to churches.
They're afraid to come out of their houses. And that's not right.
You know, what I have seen in more recent times,
people come in my office and a lot of them now are talking about U-visa, right?
"I am the victim of a crime."
And a lot of them are really stretching the U visa where their cases are really weak.
The chances of winning are really slim.
And I truly to warn them that wait a minute,
with the Trump administration, even if you are a victim, you could end up being the criminal
to the Trump administration.
So, do you really want to go forward with chasing a U-visa when it can backfire on you?
And a lot of them want to go forward and I try to discourage them like, "Look, I'm on your side.
I would love for you to get a green card someday. I would love for you to be legal someday.
But I don't believe in putting you at risk."
But there, unfortunately, there are proponents of that strategy in their community.
And I do not know if the proponents are well-meaning or
if they're just trying to earn a quick profit and they really do not care what happens to the immigrant.
Have you seen any of that where you're at?
With U visa, we find a real mix. I mean people, if you walk a block away,
you're going to run into ten or twenty people who are all going to be experts on everything,
who basically are passing on gossip or chisme as we say in Spanish and tell the people to come,
"Oh, you know, Juan or Maria or whoever told me that I could get a U visa"
and as you say, some of these cases are very weak to begin with,
so we would not necessarily recommend if they move forward.
If it is a really valid case, you know, we will try to move it forward but
again you have to see the whole circumstance.
We had a situation in Newark where they were not certifying these visas. I mean if I am a victim of violence,
then some official person has to sign off that that really happened.
And if the police refuse to cooperate, then I have a problem.
Then I am not going to have a case, no matter what happened.
And we've had that problem in North Jersey.
We've had that problem here in Freehold, especially among women who are the primary victims of violence.
So, we have to look at the whole situation and see what is viable and what is not.
Have you heard about a lot of case where people are pushing,
promoting, encouraging people to go forward with the weak cases?
Not the street-smart lawyer.s acting as attorneys. And simply people who call themselves experts who are not. So people have to be really careful who they t
I mean, you know, the ordinary immigrant who, the average immigrant who knows a little bit
because they've read the news - but someone who is recognized as a semi expert in the community or
a semi trusted individual who is pushing that angle without explaining
the nuances to them. Have you experienced that?
Yes, we have. Sadly, I was saying we have this world full of experts and sadly a lot of them really are not experts.
So, people who are vulnerable and are victimized in one way or another,
so if someone comes along with, "Oh you could do this or you could do that",
they think that is some opportunity that they should grab a hold of.
But you know, one, is some of these people giving this advice simply are not qualified to give any advice at all.
We have problem with notaries acting as attorneys. And simply people who call themselves experts who are not.
So people have to be really careful who they take advice from.
I have a question for you from Lisa Murdoch.
It says so that puts all of us in more danger, doesn't it? What's your response to her?
By that, you're talking about the whole new visa situation?
I think she might be talking about the attitude towards victims trying to come forward whether it is a U visa,
a Violence Against Women Act, a victim, or any of those situations, you know, someone who been robbed.
I think that is what she is referring to. I'm guessing.
I think that one of the things happening that we find
now is we find working around now is that victims are seen as
the people causing problems and that therefore a victim,
as a victim of domestic violence can go to a courthouse.
and be the one who ends up being arrested.
And that is what people have to be really careful about and so in that sense yes,
it puts everybody in more danger. And this is what makes like my guy who was hit by a drunk driver
while coming home from work in his bicycle, you know, we feared for him going into the Superior Court
to be a witness.
So, what is a better approach that law enforcement should be taking?
Well for one thing, victims, witnesses,
they need to be able to come forward and speak with police, or speak with counsellors,
speak with people in hospitals, social service agencies freely without feeling like that is going to come back
and an ICE agent is going to come into the picture.
I'm sorry these people in schools, so they are supposedly protecting students,
but they're passing information on to ICE and then they are taking down students and
charging them with being gang members.
So is the local police there also working with ICE
or are they saying ICE should do their thing and we will do our thing.
They say that they do not with ICE but the reality is that they do.
And of course one thing we have here in our county is our county, Monmoth County,
New Jersey has a contract, a 287G contract,
with the Federal Government that as you know that our, it is really in our courthouse,
in our county courthouse, any of these officers in there are ICE agents as well as county police officers.
So that in itself means if you go to court instead of being innocent, until you're proven guilty,
your records are looked up,
you are documented or undocumented, boom, you could go right up to detention.
So, Lisa wrote that yes, she was talking about limiting the rights of people to testify
and which to her means that people are not going to be able to court
because they are afraid of themselves of getting picked up,
so that is what she commented on in terms of her original comments.
Now, what I wanted to ask you about.
You also mentioned some problems or some issues surrounding suspected gang members,
suspected youth gang members, would you like to discuss that?
Yes, I mean first off, it's important to clarify in no way do we support gang activity.
We don't. That being said, it is so important to stay with
our legal process to have a process of innocent until proven guilty,
to have due process of law when someone is charged with anything be it gang activity or anything else.
We had a case not long ago where two gentlemen went to court.
The ICE officers stood up and say, "We have their recorded testimony admitting
that they were gang members, so therefore it's an open and closed case."
Our lawyer then asked for evidence and they started fudging around,
and saying, well, they were not so sure they had it.
He then made a motion before the judge to ask for the evidence against this client.
The judge denied that evidence which means we then have to a fight.
It goes above the judge and that makes it a very difficult legal battle, as I'm sure you know.
So, you're talking about - was this inside like the regular state court system or was it an immigration court?
A federal court? But it was at immigration court? At federal court.
Yeah, immigration court.
Now have you heard the term "crimmigration"
which is, it was coined by a Denver Law Office professor.
Have you heard that term? Crimmigration.
Okay, basically, it is the intersection of criminal law and immigration.
And one of the things that, you know, I often tell clients who come in with some criminal records
and they need to try to do something with them to remove them from the records or to deal with it.
Like you know they might have let it expire, they have a warrant,
I always note that, look, there are two types of criminal lawyers.
There is the criminal lawyer that understands immigrants, the differences with immigrants
in criminal law,
and immigrants and the regular citizens that don't have the same problems immigrants have.
And it does not matter whether the immigrants are undocumented
or permanent residents because they each have their own set of rules and regulations
they have to meet which could still get them in trouble.
So I often tell people to,
"Look, you've got to find a criminal defense attorney that understands that immigrants needed to be evaluated
and helped differently than U.S. citizens who are facing possible convictions.
Do you have similar problems in the east coast?
Completely.
I mean when someone comes in our door with a case even if it is a case of driving without a license,
no matter how small or how big,
we tell them your lawyer must understand the immigration implications
of the charges because we have had.
You know, under federal law immigrants are supposed to be advised of that by judges,
by prosecutors, by lawyers.
But you and I both know that in reality is it is not happening a lot of times.
We've had horrible cases where people were told to plead guilty and then from there they were deported,
and maybe they were guilty and maybe they were not.
But there was no real due process that happened there.
They were just shuffled along and I could stay here days giving you those stories sadly.
So, it is something to inform people very quickly, you know,
have a lawyer that understands the immigration implications.
So, do you, when someone comes to you with that kind of problem,
do you give referrals? Do you have criminal defense attorneys you trust?
We do. We do. And sometimes I mean we had immigration attorneys.
We have some who are immigration and criminal attorneys.
And then we have some who are immigration and you know they will work as teams, you know,
two attorneys together, an immigration attorney and a criminal attorney.
Or even attorneys doing work accidents, you know, other things that are not necessarily criminal.
The lawyers have to be aware of that, has to be aware of the immigration status.
We had a work accident case that was a 100% disability
that went to the Superior Court judge and he said he is illegal.
He gets nothing and we had to go and have that judge removed from the case
and it was taken to the higher judge and the guy got disability.
But it is a battle, you know, in every case to some extent.
Yeah, what I found, when I did both criminal law, criminal defense, and immigration defense,
sometimes my strategic moves in immigration court would be challenged by the immigration judge.
Not even the immigration trial.
But the judge would come down on me and say,
"Well, aren't you the attorney in the criminal case, can't you make it move faster?
Can't you do that?"
And so eventually you know I made the strategic choice
that my freedom as an immigration lawyer is greater if I just totally focus on immigration law.
I try to turn things over to a criminal defense attorney.
The problem is finding the ones that really care about the immigrants and
they are willing if necessary to take it to trial,
that they are willing to file the motions, the harsh motions against the judge
to make things happen in state or federal court.
You know frankly, I haven't found a very big group and so I tend not to make referrals
which is not good but I would rather not be blamed for making a referral to someone
who really falls flat for the immigrant.
Here we tend to be kind of a family.
Even though we deal with a lot of people but still our people really generally like us to kind of hand hold them.
We work together very closely with the attorneys,
which can be immigration attorneys, can be accident, can be, you know, can be a traffic or family,
can be many things, but then a lot of times they are interwoven.
You know, these cases they don't, it's not just one thing, a person has this mixture.
We are not so isolated in little boxes.
I got a question from Chasity that I will post right now. You may want to address.
She says, "I'm wondering when if ICE will start posting themselves in Immigration court
arresting people after they attend their court date."
You want to take a stab at that?
Well I think that ICE already has gone to court sometimes, some places,
not everywhere thankfully.
We have had them take people prior to a decision being made,
as they were going to go for their immigration case,
and that's a horrible thing because the court case should be allowed to move forward.
But it is one of the reasons why we do this - many of the organizations around the country do
supporting people when they go for ICE check-ins and supporting people when they go for their court dates.
We recently went, we had about 30 people from various organizations with a father of six here
who they wanted to do a kind of rush deportation and everybody knew that and we passed that courtroom.
Sometimes it helps, sometimes it does not, but we try.
But you know, speaking on a personal level, the problem if they go to ICE,
and I'm not sure what Chasity is referring to, but the question is whether
they are there for the case itself, the individuals in the case,
or for the people they bring with them who may be in a similar, undocumented immigrant status.
You know, I've heard stories of individuals, even attorneys, sending individuals
a wife to post a bond for the husband and the wife does not have papers and she goes downstairs,
in the basement where the ICE office is
and she is trying to post bond and she is undocumented. So the next thing, you know,
she is thrown into court and you go, "Jesus, what was that all about?"
You know, folks should know better and ask questions.
It is the same thing with witnesses.
Even personally, I do not even want, I do not even submit declarations under penalty of perjury
from someone who is undocumented. I just do not.
This is why there are a lot of programs where people are flagging themselves and they are telling them.
If the immigration officials get these folks, they have to get them on their own.
I am not going to give them the leads if I can avoid it.
And I know that, you know, if ICE stood outside immigration court, especially,
say somewhere like downtown Los Angeles,
that line goes way around the corner and there are a lot of people they could just start asking people for ID
and there would be serious problems.
The same here. I mean you go there at 8 o'clock in the morning and it is a long, long line.
I mean the other thing that we have to be really careful about is visiting our loved one.
Well, one thing we're fortunate here in Monmoth county is that if somebody
has a valid passport, they are able to go in.
So far they are able to go into Monmoth County jail and visit.
As soon as that person is transferred to somewhere else, to a detention center, to another country jail,
we recommend that they stay far away from that place and do not try to go there
because they could just see and take them in.
And we do not want that to happen.
Well, Marguerita, I want to say thank you to you and your great volunteers there, Vivian and Noah.
And before closing, okay, I mean like they work for free,
I mean they are interns who are with you for free and you said, you know,
Marguerita did not say it but she does not draw a salary for working with Casa Freehold
so I would like you to make your pitch for donation again.
Are you ready Marguerita? I mean you guys do great work over there and you are a non-profit.
And believe me I have my non-profit experience. I know how hard it to raise funds,
so you want to get people, your address and phone numbers
so that they can perhaps make a contribution?
We will surely appreciate it.
You know we are Casa Freehold at Number 6 Throckmorton St in Freehold, NJ 07728.
And my phone, which is very public. The office is 732-409-3111
And my phone, which is very public. The office is 732-409-3111
All right!
All of us work for free. All of our money goes directly to helping the community.
You can donate online at www.CasaFreehold.org.
You will see at the bottom page this little donate via PayPal button which would be a huge help.
You know, it is very difficult to survive off of donations from contributors
as well as members of the community.
It is just sort of day by day. Every penny helps us to survive, to help the community.
And we just now paid our August rent. Yay!
Hey Noah, you don't need to become a lawyer. You need to go into public relations. That was really nice.
And one last thing before we close. I'm going to put both, because they are college students,
they have to be put on the spot here.
Okay, both Vivian and Noah, one piece of advice for an undocumented immigrant,
one piece of advice, one nugget.
Stay safe, stay connected to the community.
Yeah, I agree. I think it is a good thing.
The community is a huge resource and I think we have a lot of situations where
people are backed into the corner.
Like immigration court, but then the community rallies around them.
Everyone shows up at their court case and we give them support.
I think that is, yeah, very important to stay connected with the community and be active.
And there are organizations like Casa Freehold everywhere around the nation
so I would recommend to find, if not us, find a similar organization to get involved
with to help other undocumented immigrants and work together.
People are ready to help,
Alright, I want to thank everyone very much for joining me. Episode 7, Casa Freehold.
Marguerita, I really appreciate your comments and your co-workers there.
We did not get much into MS-13 so we may have to come back and do another show later.
But thank you very much again for joining me on Immigration LIVE.
And I hope all your family, friends and supporters watch the show
and I hope they all contribute some donations to you.
And if my sister Debby is out there, and lots of others.
They need to make sure hi to us and ask a loaded question.
Anyway, I'll see you all very soon. Take care and good luck.
Thank you so much.
Bye, bye.
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