After ETIC, I went to the Fine Arts College The Arts & Multimedia degree
I would rather not have done it
I would rather have studied Drawing
A few years ago, that's what I thought I should have done
Because the course has a lot of theoretical aspects and many conceptual aspects
And I clashed with many professors
Because they're much more for the concept of 'Art' and I'm much more for the practical side of things
To get things done and dusted And to deliver
They support a more conceptual view of things which is interesting
Super interesting and essential for culture There needs to be room for both views
And I clashed with a lot of people, many professors
And then I went to Ireland
For three months, because... So that's how it happened?
You studied, studied even further and then came straight to Ireland?
No I finished my course at ETIC in 2006
Then in 2007 I started my studies in college and then the ETIC school had the Leonardo daVinci programme
Which consists of a three-month internship It's like the ERASMUS programme, but it's an internship
And they send you anywhere
They sent us to Ireland
I didn't know that's how your leap to Ireland was like
No, no, no, but it wasn't
Because I never even saw Boulder while I was here
Because Boulder had terrible...
They had terrible Public Relations
So I remember doing research about animation studios because we...
Nádia and I came to Dublin together and I got into a Web Design studio
It had nothing to do with animation
I never got to work in an animation studio when I was here for those three months
But I did some research
And I even got an interview with one of the studios and they offered me a one-year contract
And I, 'Mom, I'm going to stay here'
And she said, 'No, you won't'
This animation thing is actually... No, no
But she said, 'No, you come back and you finish your studies'
I was... I had just finished the first semester
Funny how your parents made you finish school before you started to work
Absolutely, I had no...
Because they thought I was crazy 'Now she's going to Ireland?'
It's bad enough she's leaving the country and getting away from us
and suddenly she found a job, God knows where Yes, it's hard for our parents
No, now I put myself in their place...
In their shoes In my parents' shoes
I put myself in their shoes and I understand, they thought I was crazy
'You'll come back and finish your studies'
Maybe I would have regretted it
Maybe it was the right thing to come back and finish my studies
And I met my best friends, Maria, Ana and Laura
You know Laura, do you know the others? No
I'm so glad I came back because they were the best part of going to college
But other than that...
Yes, I learned a lot when it comes to Fine Arts
But I didn't find what I wanted I got the degree because that was the plan
And that's it
Actually, I loved Photography
Cool I studied Photography and I loved it
But I'm not using it right now, so...
Maybe you put to practice some concepts that you learned in Photography
Maybe, maybe
Regarding... I don't know how to say it in Portuguese
But when it comes to values, understanding light and darkness
that's really important in drawing and photography
In composition
Yes Yes, composition maybe even more
Composition is really important
But then, while I was in college I started a freelance job for Animanostra
And it was since then, from 2007 onwards that I started to work as a freelance
So you first started as a freelance
Well, maybe in Portugal that was... It was better
Because there weren't many jobs
I started working for Ilhas das Cores (The Island of Colours), that was my first proper job with good pay
It wasn't just a one-day job, like in ETIC
It was a well-paid job
And at the time I was the director, the twins were doing the animation
Yes So I was...
Would you like to explain who the twins are?
Oh yes, it's Sério Martins and Edgar Martins
They were two years ahead of me in ETIC
and everyone talks about the twins
'Who are the twins?' And then I met them later thanks to Miguel Braga
Who is an animation producer
Very nice Hi, Miguel
I don't know if he's going to see this
I went to his studio I met the twins because of this job for Ilha das Cores
Because Humberto Santana, Animanostra's producer, who I have a great affection for
Because he gave me my first job and he believed in me
And got me many other jobs
He told me I would direct, do the visual development
I would draw the characters, create the storyboards and pass it on to Miguel Braga's studio
At the time it wasn't called Bang Bang yet, I think it was just him, the twins, Belo...
It was only a few people
And I went to the studio and I met them and it was lovely to meet them
And they did the animation
Later on, I started to do everything
It was 30 seconds, I would direct, write
30 seconds would be like 'What is the number five?'
Their briefing was: You have to talk about the number five. Go.
And we had to make a mini film
In animation, there is a lot of children's pre-school animation
Do you like that?
I do
Yes, I do
But... It's not your favourite type of work?
I don't know, there are so many things... I like the children's pre-school animation as well
But there are so many interesting things
It was one of the things I loved, I loved working for Ilha das Cores
I had the freedom to do what I wanted Yes, you were directing and everything
Well, 30 seconds isn't exactly... Yes, but it was already a lot of freedom
Especially for someone who was just starting
Exactly, it was perfect I had total freedom to do whatever I wanted
To create my own tiny movies
And then I got a job at Sardinha em Lata, that's where I met Diogo
Why Because Cristiano Mourato told me about...
Eyes of the Lighthouse, a film by Pedro Serrazina
And I really wanted to meet Pedro Serrazina
because he directed the film Tale about the Cat and the Moon
And I had a tremendous respect for his work
In fact, that was one of the first Portuguese animation movies I ever saw
So I really wanted to know more about his new movie
I wanted to meet him
And then, for some reason, it didn't work out I think I couldn't work for him
I can't remember why
And then we ended up working on Saari, at Sardinha em Lata
It was for Barcelona and it was super cute
There I met Diogo, we were a 4-person team
We were so many
The animation industry in Portugal
It was me, Diogo, Jorge and Vanessa
And it was great
I love working there, we were like a small family And then the project was over
I was really sad because I was so happy to go to work every day
I loved the atmosphere and the studio and finally not being working at home
Watching TV and drawing
Being able to work alongside other people I loved the team's spirit
And when I realised that's what I was going to have for the next few years, I thought...
I wanted to work for TV, I was sure of it
I thought that animation movies were too far down the line
So TV was my next goal
So I sent CVs everywhere
France, UK It was really...
Here as well
But I never had...
I had no real connection to Ireland, so I didn't really have to come back to Ireland
If I had the chance to come back, fine
You were already familiar with the place
Exactly, but any country was fine by me
Everyone said 'no', or that I didn't have enough experience, or they weren't looking for anyone
I don't know, I sent so many emails
Until Rob Cullen's email said 'yes, we're starting a new project soon
Do you want to join in? It's for Cartoon Network
I ran downstairs to tell my mother because my room was in the attic
And she said, 'OK, what is Cartoon Network?'
And it was Gumball, but nobody knew what Gumball was
And for many years nobody knew what it was
Now it's a big thing Now it is
But for a long time, it was like 'What are you working on?'
'Well, it's Gumball, The Amazing World of Gumball' 'And what is that?'
'It's a blue cat and a fish, a fish called Darwin' 'I never saw it'
OK, well...
That was it
I came running here, it was right after the Summer holidays
I just had to find a host family here
That's cool then
Yes, I don't know how you did it
It was a bit different for me
The Portuguese came to Ireland in a row
First, I think it was Bernardo, then it was Marta
Marta got a place for herself
Marta stayed with me for two weeks
Right, so she stayed with you, then she got a place for herself
And Diogo and Vítor came here at the same time
They stayed at Marta's place Then they stayed at a hostel
Then they stayed at a house for ERASMUS students, etc
Where they didn't have to pay a security deposit or something
Because they knew that I was looking for a job here
So I spent a month looking for a job here, in Dublin
When I found a job we started looking for a house for the three of us
So it was all in a row, staying at each other's apartments
Until you had a...
And it was for a long time
One year, two years
What?
That you were living together, Vítor, yourself and Diogo in that apartment
It was almost two years
I quit my job after being there for almost two years, and...
And we left the apartment the month after
That was it
You got it all over with
Then we stayed at Nuno's and Andreia's apartment
Vítor and I Then Vítor found an apartment for himself
And I thought I was coming back to Portugal, because I hadn't found a job
But then I get a call, 'We don't need to do an interview, do you want to start tomorrow?'
On Monday? I got this call on a Friday
And I, 'Can it be on Tuesday? Because I'm going to be in Kerry on Monday'
I'm going on a weekend getaway
That's fine, start on Tuesday
OK, Nuno and Andreia, I need to be here for a bit longer
Because it was a temporary role, and the guy wanted to let me know month by month if I would stay there or not
It wasn't very steady
Especially in Dublin
Yes, it's really expensive to live here
And Diogo, for those who don't know
Diogo decided to make a trip which was amazing
He was away for three months I'm so jealous
I'm so jealous, I can't wait to make a trip like that
During three months, he visited China, Australia and Japan
It was a hell of a trip
Really jealous
He did volunteer work in organic farms (WWOOF), he met loads of people
It was a cool trip
And at the time I thought
Looking for an apartment now knowing that Diogo is coming back and we can look for something together
Or, we knew that Andreia was leaving, so we stay at Andreia's bedroom
And that's what happened
Diogo came back, Andreia left her bedroom because she was leaving a few day later
We got her bedroom, so it has been crazy
It was perfect timing It was perfect timing for him
I had to stay on the sofa for a while
Doesn't matter
Doesn't matter But it was cool
Everything worked out It's good, because in Dublin it's really tough right now
In fact, when Boulder suddenly told Sérgio that they didn't know if they a job for him
for the next month, he was like 'Then I'm leaving'
Yes, it's expensive, damn it
Because I have other interesting things out there and I can't live here with no job
And it's good to... Well, I was lucky to know people here already
We had everything more or less worked out
When I arrived I stayed at a room with Diogo A room with Diogo and Vítor
They lived, well, you don't understand...
The room was this wide
It was a bunkbed and at the time I brought two suitcases that had to stay in the living room
There was no room for them in the bedroom
Their closet was like this
Oh no How can you guys live here?
I was there for only a week and then we got a new apartment straight away, it was good
But...
How was the leap... for you? The leap to Dublin
You stayed at a...
So, yes I'm just talking about myself
I already knew Dublin No, no, I'm loving it
I'm loving it, because I didn't know
I knew you had stayed at an apartment together, but I didn't know...
The process
One comes in, the other gets out
But...
Because I knew Dublin, I was really happy when I realised it was going to be in Dublin
In the city centre I thought I had it all
The timing couldn't be better And I couldn't care less about
the other studios saying 'no', this one said 'yes'
at a place I already know
I've never heard of this studio and when I checked out their website I
When I saw Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends I understood what the studio was doing
And I
Oh my god I'm going to this studio, I was so excited
I just wanted to go I think I got the email in June or July
We were still in college, because I remember telling my friends
And then I didn't tell many people because I was scared maybe it wasn't true
I don't know
That is was, I don't know, a dream
I didn't tell many people then because I was really scared that maybe it wouldn't happen
Because then... Rob called me once
I was in the train, and I could barely understand what he was saying
I didn't even care
'Oh my god I'm so excited!'
And then I went on Summer holidays with my family
Always checking places to stay, because I thought it was better to stay with a host family
Because that's where we stayed A host family, in Ireland
It's a family that welcomes into their house students or people who only want to stay short term
And the good part was that I wasn't going to feel lonely, because I didn't know anyone here
So, coming here to stay by myself
I was better off staying with a family Even if they don't talk to me, at least I don't feel...
And it helps with the adaptation
It was going to be very expensive I even thought about living alone
But many people said, 'No, no, forget about it'
Terrible idea to live alone It's very expensive
I was twenty three and I wasn't very young at twenty three
But it would be a big shock
I'm very happy that I stayed with that family
They were super welcoming, they talked to me every night
They had two dogs, so
Perfect, they had three kids, all of them super nice
So I stayed there for three months and then I realised I needed a place just for myself
Or a place I can share with others, so I can have a social life
I needed to be closer to the city centre
So I moved to the centre
Where were you before? In Blanchardstown
It's a bit far away and there were roadworks at the time
So it took me nearly an hour and a half to get to work
Three hours of commute every day It's tough
Especially during the winter, there are few hours of sunlight
Yes
And you feel like you waste the whole day Yes
Absolutely
Yes, that's the sad part about winters here it's the night time
It's not the cold or the rain... It's not very cold here
No... We don't have a harsh winter
No... The winter is colder than the summer, but...
Yes, if it wasn't...
I don't know, it's Ireland, everything is possible
But, yes, I decided to come to the city centre I stayed in a room with no windows
How could you take it? For a whole month
With no hot water
Wow Jesus
With random people coming inside the house
An apartment in O'Connell Street, I thought, 'O'Connell Street, that's great'
That is the most popular street in Dublin It's in the centre really
It's the worst
And staying at O'Connell Street I thought I was literally 10 minutes walking distance from work
Even less It's probably even less than that
You just have to cross the bridge
But I was on the other end of the street
I was really in the corner
I'll show you one day, if we walk by
Now I don't know when's the next time I'll go to the centre, but...
But it was horrible and I shared the apartment with five flatmates
No hot water during November
Wow
I had to wash my hair first and then my body very quickly
Because it was really cold It's not easy, this emmigrant life
We can see it isn't When you don't know...
And then I started looking for an apartment because I couldn't stay there
And I couldn't find anything, I was almost coming back to Blanchardstown
Until a friend of mine told me he knew someone and I stayed at an apartment for two years
It was amazing
It was a room
Yes, it was a really small room, there was only room for the bed and the desk, the closet was built-in
But it had a heater, it had...
It had living conditions
So I thought... Funny how the little things mean so much to us
And then I moved to the room upstairs, when the other girl left
It was huge and I had a whole bathroom for myself
So... it was perfect
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