DAN: MAN, IS A LOT GOING ON
TONIGHT.
STRAP IN.
THE DAN YORKE "STATE OF MIND"
PROGRAM IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY
LOOKOUT RHODE ISLAND AND TACO
COMFORT SOLUTIONS.
DAN: I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOMEONE AS
INFORMED AS TIMOTHY EDGAR HERE
TONIGHT.
WE INVITED HIM
IN FOR THE COMEY
SITUATION AND SOME OF THE CYBER
WORRIES ACROSS THE WORLD BECAUSE
HE HAS EXPERTISE, AND BETWEEN
THE TIME WE ASKED HIM TO COME IN
AND TODAY, WE HAVE THE RUSSIAN
INTEL FLAP.
FLAP IS PROBABLY AN
UNDERSTATEMENT.
NICE TO HAVE YOU ABOARD.
AS WE WERE GOING TO PROGRAM,
DON'T TELL ANYBODY, BUT WE
RECORD EARLY IN THE AFTERNOON.
A 2:30 PRESS CONFERENCE WAS
SCHEDULED FOR THE PAWSOX
OWNERSHIP.
SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE CALLING
SLATER MILLS.
THEY HAVE KIND
OF LEARN THE
LESSON HERE AND ARE PUTTING UP A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EQUITY.
I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS AS WE
SPEAK.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT ON THE
NEWS.
WE WILL TOUCH BASE ON THAT
TOMORROW ON THE RADIO, WPRO, AND
WE WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME
INFORMED CONTENT TOMORROW NIGHT
AND THE REST OF THE WEEK.
LET'S GO TO THE RUNDOWN AND
CHECK OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
THAT IS THE WORD I CAME UP WITH
HERE.
THE HEADLINE FOR LUIS APONTE
WHO
REFUSES TO RESIGN DESPITE THE
EMBEZZLEMENT CHARGES, FRAUD
SURROUNDING HIS CAMPAIGN FINANCE
, MORE THAN SLOPPINESS, NO DOUBT
.
NO-CONFIDENCE VOTES, DON'T
BOTHER HIM.
HERE IS COVERAGE OF THE CASE, SO
TO SPEAK.
A REFUSAL TO RESIGN FOLLOWING
AN OVERWHELMING VOTE OF
NO-CONFIDENCE.
MONDAY SPECIAL MEETING AT THE
PROVIDENCE CITY COUNCIL WAS
BRIEF BUT HELD VALUE.
THE OUTCOME, A 12-1
VOTE OF
NO-CONFIDENCE FOR COUNCILMEMBER
LUIS APONTE.
I GET MY POLITICAL
PARTNERS
SUCCUMBING TO PRESSURE.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE
DEMOCRATS IN PROVIDENCE.
HE FACES ONE COUNT OF
UNLAWFUL APPROPRIATION, ONE
COUNT OF EMBEZZLEMENT, AND TWO
COUNTS OF MISDEMEANORS, MISUSING
CAMPAIGN FUNDS.
CONSTITUENTS OF WARD 10, WHICH
HE HAS SERVED SINCE 1999.
JUST MOMENTS LATER, HIS
COLLEAGUES CALLED FOR THE END OF
HIS KELSO CAREER.
HE SHOULD STEP DOWN AS
COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR THE
BETTERMENT OF OUR CITY.
COUNCILWOMAN CARMEN CASTILLO
ABSTAIN FROM THE BOAT.
SHE SAYS SHE IS NOT MEDDLING IN
THE DECISION AND TH
E DECISION
IS ONE THAT YOU CAN L C13
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE
PERSON IN A TEAM, YOU HAVE TO
SUPPORT IT.
NOW SOMETHING HAPPENED TO
HIM
AND NOBODY SUPPORTED.
DAN:
THE SUPPORTERS OF LUIS
APONTE WERE WEARING SHIRTS, IT
IS A SOUTH SIDE THING, YOU DON'T
UNDERSTAND, IN ENGLISH AND
SPANISH.
THIS SECTION OF THE CITY HAS A
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON HOW
THINGS OUGHT TO BE VERSUS THE
REST OF THE WORLD FOR ALL SORTS
OF REASONS, SOME OF WHICH ARE
LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS.
THE ELECTED OFFICIAL MAKE SURE
THAT EVERYONE FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
VICTIMS, AND THE ONLY ONES THAT
CAN HELP THEM FROM THEIR
VICTIMHOOD IS IN PLAY HERE.
IT'S A DISGRACE LUIS APONTE DOES
NOT KNOW THAT HE NEEDS TO STEP
AWAY FROM THE LEADERSHIP PICTURE
RIGHT NOW.
THE BIG PICTURE IS, THE CITY HAS
A COUNCIL PRESIDENT THAT HAS
BEEN INDICTED.
I KNOW BUDDY CIANCI GOT
ARRESTED, ESTABLISH THAT HE
WOULD FIGHT UNTIL THE END, BUT
YOU WOULD THINK WE WOULD LEARN
SOME THINGS ABOUT THE FRAGILITY
OF OUR ECONOMY AND REPUTATION.
OBVIOUSLY, NO.
ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL, AND HE IS
HIDING BEHIND THAT RIGHT NOW.
IN THE MEANTIME, THERE IS A NEW
PLAYER IN THE STATEWIDE FEDERAL,
POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT.
HERE IS THE PROVIDENCE JOURNAL'S
HEADLINE TODAY.
REPRESENTATIVE NARDA LOW IS IN
THE GAME, RUNNING AGAINST
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE.
HE SPOKE AT HIS ANNOUNCEMENT
LAST NIGHT.
SOME
CANDIDATES ONLY OUTLINE
PROBLEMS.
THEY CAN GO ON AND ON WITH AN
ENDLESS LIST OF BROKEN FEATURES
OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
NOW, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT I
FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT NEED
ADDRESSING.
TAXES, JOBS, VETERANS AFFAIRS,
AND NATIONAL SECURITY ARE THE
ONES THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO
ME.
DAN: OK.
IS THAT THE YANKEE PINSTRIPES,
WHAT IS THAT?
HE IS PRETTY WELL KNOWN FOR HIS
FLAMBOYANT DRESS.
WHATEVER.
I AIN
'T NO FASHION GUY MYSELF.
WHAT ARE YOU LAUGHING AT?
LEXI WANTS JACKET
AND I REFUSE TO DO SO.
YOU GIVE ME A NEW SET, MAYBE I
WILL WEAR A JACKET.
POLITICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
HE IS DOING.
EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO RUN.
WE HAVE HAD THEM HERE BEFORE, WE
WILL TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES, BUT
I HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF
SHOOTING 65 AT THE U.S. OPEN TH
AN HE DOES WINNING THIS RACE.
THAT WOULD BE PRETTY GOOD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHOOT 85 RIGHT
NOW.
MY SHORT GAME IS AT THE DUMPER.
I JUST WANT A TWO DOLLAR NASSAU
VICTORY SOMEWHERE.
WE WILL BE KIND TO THE PEOPLE
RUNNING BUT HE IS NOT THE
GIVE SHELDON WHITEHOUSE ANY KIND
OF DIFFICULTY HERE.
LET'S GET TO THE CONVERSATION.
HEADLINE.
THIS IS THE WASHINGTON POST
STORY.
HERE IS THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT
HAPPENED IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK TO
TWITTER TO PUSH BACK AGAINST
REPORT THAT HE SHARED CLASSIFIED
INFORMATION WITH THE RUSSIANS IN
THE OVAL OFFICE LAST WEEK.
THE CITROEN SAID HE HAD RIGHTS
TO FIT SHARE FACTS ABOUT AIRLINE
AND TERRORISM SAFETY C13
HUMANITARIAN REASON TO DO SO.
WASHINGTON POST REPORTED THE
CITROEN DISCUSSED CLASSIFIED
INFORMATION THAT CAME FROM A
U.S. PARTNER THAT WAS SO
INSENSITIVE IT HAS NOT BEEN
SHARED ALLIES AND WAS
EVEN RESTRICTED IN THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT.
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER H.R.
MCMASTER SAYS STORY AS REPORTED
IS FALSE.
SOURCES OR METHODS DISCUSSED.
THE
PRESIDENT CAN DISCLOSE
CLASSIFIED INFORMATION BUT THE
CONCERN IS MR. TRUMP MAY HAVE
DISCLOSED DETAILS COMPROMISING
AND INTELLIGENCE CAN KNOW.
THAT THIS WAS ALL APPROPRIATE
AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM HERE,
WHY WAS IT THAT WHITE HOUSE
OFFICIALS WERE QUICKLY CALLING
THE CIA DIRECTOR AND THE NSA
DIRECTOR TO GIVE THEM A 13
ON WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED?
LAWMAKERS WANT TO KNOW WHAT
WAS SAID.
IF THIS REPORT IS TRUE, IT
WOULD MEAN THE PRESIDENT MAY
HAVE BADLY DAMAGED OUR NATIONAL
SECURITY, NOTHING LESS.
CHUCK
SCHUMER IS CALLING ON
THE WHITE HOUSE TO MAKE THE
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING
AVAILABLE TO THE CONGRESSIONAL
IMMEDIATELY.
DAN: TIMOTHY EDGAR JOINS US, NO
STRANGER TO THE PROGRAM.
I GUESS I COULD DO THE OLD, WHAT
DO YOU THINK OF THIS?
TIMOTHY: JUST ANOTHER
EXTRAORDINARY REVELATION OF
INCOMPETENCE AND STUPIDITY ON
THE PART OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING
NICER BUT I CANNOT.
WHEN YOU REVEAL THAT KIND OF
INFORMATION TO THE RUSSIAN
AMBASSADOR, AND THE RUSSIAN
FOREIGN MINISTER, OF COURSE HE
HAS A RIGHT TO DO IT, HE IS THE
PRESIDENT.
HE CAN DECLASSIFY ANY
INTELLIGENCE HE WANTS TO ON THE
SPOT.
BUT IF HE IS GOING TO BE DOING
THAT, IT WILL DAMAGE A
PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH
IMPORTANT PARTNERS IN THE MIDDLE
EAST.
I WAS SURPRISED ACTUALLY THAT
GENERAL MCMASTER MADE A DEFENSE
HE DID.
HE KNOWS BETTER THAN TO MAKE
THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN HIGHLY
CLASSIFIED INFORMATION AND
SOURCES AND METHODS.
DAN: LET'S FOLLOW THE BOUNCING
BALL.
THE WASHINGTON POST STORY COMES
OUT.
THE NSA DIRECTOR GOES RUNNING TO
THE MICROPHONES YESTERDAY.
THE PRESIDENT TWEETS
OUT, MORE
OR LESS, IT IS ALMOST LIKE THE
COMEY THING REVISITED.
THE WHITE HOUSE TRIES TO
ESTABLISH SOME KIND OF
DISCUSSION, ANALYSIS SPIN.
THE PRESIDENT COMES IN BEHIND,
KNOCKS IT ALL BACK BY SAYING, I
DID IT.
WHAT I DID WAS LEGITIMATE.
THE COMEY FIRING, WHICH WE WILL
TALK ABOUT, AND THIS THING, WAS
LEGI3
THEN TO MCMASTER
REFORMATS
WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY.
NOW
LEXI TELLS ME THE NEW YORK
TIMES HAS PUT OUT ISRAEL IS THE
PARTNER, WHICH IS ANOTHER
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE THE
PRESS PLAYS IN THIS WHOLE THING.
REPORTERS HAVE HAD THIS
INFORMATION IN THE PIPELINE AND
IT WAS ADVISED IT WAS SO
POWERFUL, SUCH A SECURITY RISK,
THEY KEPT A LID ON IT
THEMSELVES.
NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE BALLOON
HAS POPPED AND EVERYONE WILL BE
REPORTING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE
PERSON WATCHING THE SHOW -- AND
I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE 1 --MIX
TIMOTHY: WE HAVE SENSITIVE
PARTNERSHIPS WITH A NUMBER OF
FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
THOSE GOVERNMENTS TRUST OUR
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AND THE
PRESIDENT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE
INTELLIGENCE THEY SHARE WITH US.
IF THEY DON'T TRUST US, THEY MAY
CUT OFF THE INTELLIGENCE.
WE DEPEND ON THAT FOR OUR
NATIONAL SECURITY.
OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES DON'T
ACT ALONE.
THEY RELY ON SOURCES AND
INFORMATION OTHER COUNTRIES
BRING US.
DAN: WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WILL
BREAK THIS DOWN FURTHER.
THERE IS
THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.
STAY WITH US.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, BEFORE WE DO
THAT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR
SOME SOPHISTICATION IN YOUR
BANKING WORLD ORT
PHONE, THE CARD BALLET PROGRAM
IS THE PERFECT OPTION FOR YOU.
YOU CAN CHECK YOUR BALANCES,
LIMITS ON SPENDING, YOU CAN USE
APPLE PAY OR SAMSUNG PAY.
GO TO
NA.CU TO FIND OUT
MORE.
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS STAFF
HAVE NOT BEEN ON THE SAME PAGES
WEEK.
I WAS GOING TO FIRE
REGARDLESS.
MR. TRUMP'S STATEMENT
CONTRADICTED THAT OF HIS OWN
STAFF, WHO ALL CLAIM THE
PRESIDENT WAS FOLLOWING THE
RECOMMENDATION OF DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL RN.
HE IS MAKING FULL'S ON HIS
F.
THE WHITE HOUSE APPEARS TO BE IN
C13
THE PRESIDENT TWEETED IN
RESPONSE TO THE CONTRADICTORY
REPORTS, PERFECT ACCURACY IS NOT
POSSIBLE, AND THAT HE SHOULD
JUST CANCEL ALL PREF PRECINCTS
-- PRESS BRIEFINGS AND
GIVE
WRITTEN RESPONSES.
DAN: THAT WAS DAYS AGO WITH THE
COMEY FLAP.
TIMOTHY EDGAR HAS WORKED BOTH
SIDES OF THE ADMINISTRATION ARE
YOU ARE A CYBER SECURITY EXPERT,
YOU GET ALL OF THIS INTEL 3
YOU ARE NOT JUST SOME GUY I'M
PULLING FOR BROWN WHO IS
TEACHING A CLASS.
YOU ARE IMMERSED IN THIS
INDUSTRY.
IT MUST BE LIKE AN UNREAL
EXPERIENCE TO SEE THE TRADITION
-- THIS IS NOT JUST DRAINING THE
SWAMP.
THIS IS WELL-ESTABLISHED
PROTOCOL FOR THE NATION'S
SECURITY THAT SEEMS TO BE
UPENDED HERE ON A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT FRONTS.
TIMOTHY: ABSOLUTELY WHATEVER YOU
THINK ABOUT JIM COMEY, WHETHER
YOU DISAGREE OR DISAGREE -- OR
AGREE WITH HIM, EVERYBODY IN THE
COUNTRY RESPECTS HIM AS A PUBLIC
SERVANT.
NOT ONLY THE FIRING ITSELF, BUT
THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED, REALLY
WAS JUST DISRESPECTFUL TO THE
DIRECTOR OF THE FBI.
NOW WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES ON THE RECORD IN
FRONT OF NBC SAYING HE DID SO
AGAIN ABOUT THE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION.
IT JUST CRIES OUT FOR A SPECIAL
COUNSEL, CRIES OUT FOR WHAT WE
CALL A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, NOW
CALLED THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
IT MADE ME THINK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT YOUR EARLIER STORY ABOUT
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT
PROVIDENCE AND RHODE ISLAND HAVE
HAD WITH CORRUPT PUBLIC
OFFICIALS AND THE PUBLIC
OFFICIALS UNDER INVESTIGATION,
AND THE NEED FOR AN INDEPENDENT
REVIEW OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL,
WHETHER THAT IS THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES OR THE MAYOR
OF PROVIDENCE, THE SAME THING.
DAN: I WISH IT
WAS -- ALL DUE
RESPECT TO PROVIDENCE
GOVERNMENT, IT IS NOT NATIONAL
SECURITY AT RISK HERE.
TIMOTHY: STATES ARE CERTAINLY
HIGHER.
DAN: IN A BIG WAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE ESSENCE
-- LET'S GO BACK TO THE MOST
CONTEMPORARY STORY FIRST.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE ESSENCE
O THE AMERICAN
CITIZEN ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING
HERE?
WHAT ESSENTIALLY DO YOU THINK
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SCREWED UP
HERE?
TIMOTHY: THE FBI WAS
INVESTIGATINIAN
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS WERE
COORDINATING WITH OFFICIALS OF
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
DAN: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE
LATEST SAGA.
THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO THE INTEL.
TIMOTHY: TO HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF
THE FBI FIRED IN THE MIDDLE OF
THAT INVESTIGATION JUST
RAISES
SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
INDEPENDENI,
QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW SERIOUSLY WE
TREAT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.
THE RUSSIANS ARE GOING TO DO IT
AGAIN.
THEY ARE DOING IT NOW IN EUROPE.
THEY WILL IN IN
OTHER ELECTIONS.
DAN:
THE STORY ABOUT THE
INTELLIGENCE SHARED WITH THE
RUSSIANS AND THIS, THE DAY AFTER
THE COMEY TERMIN C13
RUSSIANS ARE LITERALLY IN THE
HOUSE.
THE REPORT THE WASHINGTON POST
PUT OUT, WE
BEGAN OUR SHOW
TONIGHT, THE SUBJECT OF COVERAGE
ACROSS AMERICA, STEMS FROM THOSE
MEETINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP
TALKED TO THEM, REPORTEDLY IN
BRAGGADOCIO'S FASHION
, ABOUT
WHAT HE IS NOW UNDERSTANDING
ABOUT WHAT ISIS IS TRYING TO
PULL OFF.
HE IS SUGGESTING IN HIS TWEETS,
LISTEN, RUSSIA NEEDS TO BE
LEVEL, WE ARE PARTNERS.
WE MAY HAVE SOME BRAWLING GOING
ON ON A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.
ANY LEGITIMACY TO THE NOTION
THAT THE RUSSIANS NEED TO SHARE
IN THE INTEL AND THAT THE
CRITICISM IS WAY OUT OF LINE?
TIMOTHY: ESSENTIALLY, NO.
THE RUSSIANS AND THE U.S. HAS
VERY INTEREST -- VERY DIFFERENT
INTERESTS IN SYRIA.
WE ARE ALL IN THE STRUGGLE
AGAINST TERRORISM TOGETHER, BUT
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SYRIA, THE U.S.
IS SUPPORTING REBELS FIGHTING
ASSAD BUT ALSO FIGHTING ISIS.
RUSSIA'S PRIMARY INTEREST IS
PROPPING UP THE SHARP AL-ASSAD,
NOT INVITING ISIS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SHARING
INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION WITH A
FOREIGN POWER WHO IS ESSENTIALLY
HOSTILE TO YOUR INTERESTS IN
SYRIA.
IT IS INCREDIBLY NAIVE.
IT SHOWS A TREMENDOUS NAIVETE
TOWARD THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
DAN: DO YOU THINK THIS IS A
LIABILITY FOR OUR ASSETS IN THE
FIELD, NOT JUST AMERICAN SPIES,
THOSE OPERATING, AND WITH THE
NEW YORK TIMES PUT OUT TODAY,
OUR ISRAELI PARTNERS, DO YOU
THINK LIVES ARE IN DANGER RIGHT
NOW?
TIMOTHY: I DON'T KNOW THAT WE
CAN GO THAT FAR, BUT I WAS
SURPRISED ABOUT GENERAL MCMASTER
SAYING HE DID NOT COVER MY
SOURCES AND METHODS.
I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW
BETTER THAN THAT.
THE REASON WE CLASSIFY
INFORMATION THAT IS SHARED WITH
US BY FOREIGN COUNTRIES IS, IF
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT INFORMATION
IS, YOU WAMAGE THAT
PARTNERSHIP, YOU WILL
POTENTIALLY UNCOVE IS THE
SOURCE OF THAT INFORMATION.
A B HE DID NOT DESCRIBE THE
SOURCE TO LAVROV OR THE RUSSIAN
DAN: BUT IT IS TRACEABLE.
THE PRESS SEEMS TO BE TRACING IT
NOW.
TALK ABOUT THAT.
WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE NOW
ON WHAT THE PRESS' ROLE
IS
HERE.
REPORTEDLY A NATIONAL SECURITY
INTEREST, BUT WHEN THE
WASHINGTON POST SPITS OUT
,
CLEARLY, THE INTEL COMMUNITY AND
THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE TO BE IN
THE SOURCING OF THE STORY.
THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY
INTIMATELY INVOLVED WHO IS
HIGHLY DISCOMFORTED BY WHAT
DONALD TRUMP DID.
WHAT DOES THE PRESS DUE,
CONTINUE TO HEAD THAT'S ABOUT
THE IRRESPONSIBLE PRESIDENT, OR
JUST LIKE THE FLOODGATES OF
REPORTING GO AND REPORT OUT THE
ENTIRE DYNAMIC OF THIS INTEL
SAGA?
TIMOTHY: THIS IS
ANOTHER REASON
WHY IT SO DANGEROUS TO HAVE SO
MUCH INFIGHTING IN THE
ADMINISTRATION.
TYPICALLY, NATI
AGENCIES WILL GO TO THE PRESS
SOMETIMES AND SAY, W US
HERE, KEEP SOME OF THE DETAILS
OUT OF THE STORY.
BUT
YOU HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION
THAT SEEMS TO BE AT WAR WITH
ITSELF, THE PRESIDENT TELLING
THE RUSSIANS ONE THING, OTHER
PARTS OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY
ESTABLISHMENT OUTRAGE THAT HE
DID THAT.
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE CIA
OR OTHER AGENCIES
DAN: NOW THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING
TO MAKE THIS ABOUT LEAKS.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS WE
HAVE LEAKS.
AS OPPOSED TO, HE ACTED OUT A
PROTOCOL.
WHICH ONE WILL RESONATE WITH THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE?
TIMOTHY: PEOPLE TEND TO
HEAR THE
STORIES BASED ON THEIR OWN
PRECONCEIVED POLITICAL LEANINGS,
UNFORTUNATELY.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
ALL I KNOW IS IF HE WANTS TO
LEAKS, HE NEEDS TO CREATE A
SENSE OF TRUST BETWEEN HIMSELF
AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM.
HE SHOULD NOT BE -- EVEN IF HE
WANTED TO SHARE THE INFORMATION,
EVEN IF THERE WAS LEGITIMATE
REASON, YOU NEED T13
AHEAD OF TIME, TALK TO YOUR
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, TO MAKE
SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME
PAGE.
DAN: RONALD REAGAN OUT OF THE
SOVIETS AT THAT POINT.
HIS PROTOCOLS WERE
WELL-THOUGHT-OUT, SHOULD TEACH
IT.
IT WAS NOT A BURP OR TWEET.
TIMOTHY: IT
IS VERY DANGEROUS TO
HAVE THE PRESIDENT AND
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY NOT ON
THE SAME PAGE.
THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL WAY YOU
WILL STOP THE PROBLEM OF
LEAKING.
YOU WILL NOT STOP IT BY HUNTING
DOWN LEAKERS.
THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN STOP LEAKS
BY PUNISHING THE
LEAKERS, THAT
HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG GOING BACK
TO RICHARD NIXON.
DAN: HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO
PUT UP WITH THIS?
WE SHOULD ALSO CHECK IN ON THIS
WORLD CHALLENGE OF CYBER
SECURITY.
STAY WITH US.
AS I MENTIONED ALREADY,
WE
DON'T SAY WHAT IS CLASSIFIED,
WHAT IS NOT CLASSIFIED.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN IS
WHAT THE PRESIDENT SHARED IS
WHOLL APPROPRIATE.
THE STORY COMBINED WHAT WAS
LEAKED WITH OTHER INFORMATION,
AND THEN, AND THEN INSINUATED
ABOUT SOURCES AND METHODS.
I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR TO
EVERYBODY THAT THE PRESIDENT, IN
NO WAY, COMPROMISED ANY SOURCES
ORHE COURSE OF THIS
CONVERSATION.
DAN: SOMETHING THAT HE SAID LAST
NIGHT AS WELL.
FINGERS AND TOES CROSSED, OR
DOES HE BUY INTO THIS AGGRESSIVE
DEFENSE OF HIS BOSS?
TIMOTHY: I THINK HE HAS TO.
IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TRUNK DEMAND
LOYALTY OF HIS TEAM.
DAN: UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ONE?
WHEN THINGS ARE BREAKING UP
AROUND DONALD TRUMP, GETTING OFF
THE BOAT HAS TO BE A DECISION
ABOUT THE BETTER OF THE COUNTRY
RATHER THAN THE RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE PRESIDENT.
MCMASTERS IS A LOVELY COUNTRY
GUY.
-- LOVE OF COUNTRY GUY.
TIMOTHY: I THINK HE IS TRYING TO
PUSH BACK ON THE PRESS STORY I
SAYING THE STORIES WERE NOT
LEAK, THEY WERE NOT IN DIRECT
DANGER.
MY POINT IS, WHATEVER HAPPENED,
IT CLEARLY WAS DONE IN A WAY
THAT MAY DAMAGE
OUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE.
DAN: WHERE ARE WE ON THIS, IS
THIS GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT
FOUR YEARS OF CRAZINESS THIS
WAY, OR IS SOME OF THIS BEHAVIOR
GOING TO COME BACK IN THE
IMPEACHMENT ENVIRONMENT?
TIMOTHY: THIS IS THE POINT I WAS
TRYING TO MAKE.
WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN RHODE
ISLAND WITH CHARISMATIC LEADERS
THAT GET THE SUPPORT OF THEIR
FOLLOWERS COME HELL OR HIGH
WATER.
WE SAW THAT WENT BUDDY CIANCI.
SHELDON WHITEHOUSE WAS THE
PROSECUTOR IN THAT CASE.
IMAGINE IF BUDDY CIANCI
COULD
HAVE FIRED SHELDON WHITEHOUSE.
YOU NEED A SPECIAL
COUNSEL,
SOMEBODY APPOINTED THAT HAS TO
OBEY THE GENERAL POLICIES OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, BUT
OTHERWISE THEY STAY OUT OF IT,
AND THEY LOOK INTO ALL OF IT AND
HAVE CREDIBILITY TO COME BACK TO
THE PUBLIC TO SAY, THIS IS NOT
ABOUT PARTISANSHIP OR POLITICS.
DAN: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL MAKE
THE REPUBLICANS BUCKLE ON AN
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL?
TIMOTHY: IT IS IN THEIR
INTEREST.
THEY KNEW TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO
SOMETHING TO REASSURE THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT THERE IS
SOMEBODY THAT CAN LOOK INTO
ISSUES LIKE THIS WITH
CREDIBILITY, WHEN THE WHITE
HOUSE CLEARLY DOES NOT.
DAN: BY THE
WAY, BOB CARINTHIA
WAS THE PROSECUTOR, BUT THE
POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
FANTASTIC, TIM.
NOT SO FANTASTIC, THOUGH.
BY THE WAY, HURLEY
SIGNED.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.
DAN: DANNY HURLEY SIGNED HIS
DEAL WITH URI, NOT
THAT HE WAS
EXPIRED.
THIS IS A TWO-YEAR EXTENSION,
BRING HIM OUT TO 2024.
I THINK HE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A
RAISE.
GOOD STUFF.
HE IS TAKING THAT PROGRAM TO A
PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE
NATIONALLY PROMINENT AND CAN
AFFORD TO STAY.
GOOD NEWS ON THE LOCAL FRONT.
SEE YOU TOMORROW ON WPRO AND
HERE TONIGHT.
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