>> WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE TABLE.
THE STATE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT SET OFF A FIRE STORM THIS WEEK
BY PROPOSING CHANGES TO SCIENCE TEACHING STANDARDS.
THOSE STANDARDS HAVEN'T BEEN MODIFIED IN 15 YEARS, BUT
CRITICS SAY THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE POLITICALLY
MOTIVATED.
DIANE SOME OF THE CHANGES INCLUDE PHRASES LIKE A RISE IN
GLOBAL TEMPERATURES TO TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS, OR,
THE PROCESS OF EVOLUTION WILL BECOME BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY,
BUT THE ONE I WANT TO START WITH IS THE AGE OF PLANET
EARTH ITSELF THAT SCIENCE SAYS SORT OF FIGURED OUT 4.6, YOU
KNOW, BILLION YEARS BUT IT IS NOW NOT OLD SOMEHOW.
THAT HAS BEEN STRUCK FROM THE WORDING AS WELL.
HOW DID THIS HIT YOU WHEN YOU SEE THIS?
>> I AM ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHED ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF
THE WHOLE STORY.
TO ME SCIENCE, PARTICULARLY, IS WHERE YOU PRESENT ALL THE
FACTS.
YOU DON'T CHANGE THE FACTS TO MEET YOUR PREFERENCE.
AND, I KNOW THAT HAS HAPPENED THROUGH THE YEARS, PEOPLE
WRITE HISTORY BOOKS AND WE CERTAINLY CHANGE HISTORY A
GREAT DEAL, BUT THE POINT OF SCIENCE EDUCATION AND
EDUCATION IN GENERAL SHOULD BE TEACHING YOUNG PEOPLE HOW TO
THINK AND EVALUATE.
GIVE THEM ALL THE FACTS.
KIDS ARE SMARTER THAN YOU THINK.
WE OUGHT TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE AND I
LIKE THE IDEA OF PREPARING THEM, THIS NEXT GENERATION,
SCIENCE STANDARD, PREPARING THEM FOR THE FUTURE THAT WE
HAVE, THE CURRENT PRESENT AND FUTURE BECAUSE ECONOMICS -- WE
ARE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF SCIENCE ENGINEERING.
WE NEED TO BE EQUIPPING OUR CHILDREN THE VERY BEST WE CAN.
AND THE OTHER POINT THAT CONCERNS ME A GREAT DEAL ABOUT
THIS IS THE MESSAGE WE ARE SENDING SO FAR AS ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
WE JUST MADE A BIG TO-DO ABOUT BRINGING AMAZON TO NEW MEXICO.
AND HE IS A VERY STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THE NEXT
GENERATION SCIENCE STANDARD AND SO WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE
ARE WE SENDING ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO TRAIN OUR
CHILDREN FOR THE FUTURE?
>> CAN YOU PICK UP ON THAT?
WE ARE A SCIENCE STATE.
>> EARLIER THIS YEAR, I WENT TO THE MARCH FOR SCIENCE
DOWNTOWN IN ALBUQUERQUE AND IT REALLY STRUCK ME AS HOW MUCH
OUR STATE IS GROUNDED IN SCIENCE.
THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE FROM -- OF ALL DIFFERENT
POLITICAL STRIPES, FROM SANDIA, LOS ALAMOS, FROM
ENGINEERS, PHYSICISTS, NUCLEAR FOLKS, AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE
OUR SCIENCE STANDARD DUMBED DOWN IN THE FACE OF OUR
CULTURE HERE, OUR SCIENTIFIC CULTURE HERE, IS PRETTY
ASTOUNDING AND ALREADY I THINK THE LOS ALAMOS FOUNDATION HAS
EXPRESSED OUTRAGE.
SCIENCE TEACHERS ARE IN DISBELIEF.
IT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE FLAT EARTHERS HAVE COME BACK AND --
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE IDEA THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IN
PARTICULAR, THE WORDING HAS BEEN KIND OF MUCKED AROUND
WITH, FOR WHAT?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU.
>> I AM LESS SURPRISED AT THAT, THAN I AM AT THE AGE OF
THE EARTH AND THE DISPUTING EVOLUTION.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WERE SUBJECT OF THE SCOPES
TRIAL BACK IN THE 1920'S AND THERE REALLY IS ONLY A PRETTY
SMALL PROPORTION OF PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THOSE THINGS ARE
BASED IN EVIDENCE.
YOU KNOW.
THAT IS WHAT I THINK OF NEW MEXICO AND THE RELEVANCE OF
OUR SCIENTIFIC HERITAGE HERE, THAT IS WE BELIEVE IN
EVIDENCE.
WE BELIEVE IN FACTS.
WE ALSO BELIEVE IN DIVERSITY OF OPINION BUT WHEN IT COMES
DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW, SCIENCE IS THE BOTTOM LINE AND
OBVIOUSLY IT IS NOT FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT, THAT HAS
VERY GRAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR STUDENTS BEYOND SCIENCE.
AND THAT IS, AS DIANE MENTIONED, THE ABILITY TO
THINK CRITICALLY, THE ABILITY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN FACT
AND OPINION.
AND I THINK WE ARE SEEING THAT BLEED OVER INTO PEOPLES'
ABILITY TO BE GOOD CITIZENS AS WELL AS GOOD STUDENTS OR GOOD
SCIENTISTS.
>> DANIEL, THE IDEA OF GETTING POLITICS IN EDUCATION,
POLITICS HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN EDUCATION.
NONE OF US HERE AT THE TABLE ARE NAIVE ON THAT POINT, BUT
IS THERE A LINE CROSSED ON THIS OR IS THIS SIMPLY
FLEXIBILITY ON ALLOWING STUDENTS TO KIND OF GET BOTH
SIDES OF SOMETHING AND BE GOOD STUDENTS, HASH IT OUT FOR
THEMSELVES, THAT KIND OF THING?
>> END OF THE DAY WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT WORKING WITH THIS
SCIENCE AND MATH STUFF FOR 15 PLUS YEARS AND SO THEY ARE
MAKING A MOVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT
SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE REAL THING.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE STATE SAYS THEY ARE TEACHING,
THE TEACHER IN THE CLASSROOM, YOU KNOW, TEACHERS IN THE
CLASSROOM BRING THE CONVERSATION FULL CIRCLE, HAVE
THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, DO I THINK WE SHOULD BE WIPING
AWAY THE FACT THAT WE'RE -- THAT THE EARTH IS FOUR BILLION
YEARS OLD VERSUS THE EARTH IS WHATEVER SOMEONE ELSE SAYS IT
IS, I THINK IT IS A MODEL FOR THE CONVERSATION.
I DO THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS
WHEN IT COMES TO THE CLIMATE CHANGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT
YOU KNOW, IT IS A NEW RELIGION, IT IS EITHER LOOK,
YOU 100% BELIEVE THE WORLD IS COMING TO END AND IT IS AT
HUMAN HANDS AND GLOBAL WARMING IS THE PROBLEM AND THAT IS
WHAT WE SHOULD HARP ON EVERYBODY ABOUT OR THE PEOPLE
THAT THINK, HEY, CYCLICAL THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AND
FLUCTUATES, THEY LOST THEIR MIND.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE FOR THE
KIDS TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, TEACHERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO
INPUT AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, REGARDLESS WHAT THEY CHANGE THE SCIENCE
STANDARD TO, YOU ARE ABLE TO BRING IN, JUST LIKE WE HEAR
WITH HISTORY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU BRING THE TOPICS TO
THE TABLE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND YOU ENTICE
THE KIDS TO LEARN AND FIGURE OUT AND DISCUSS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS POLITICALLY
DRIVEN THAN IT IS EDUCATIONALLY DRIVEN.
>> AGAIN, I ASK THE SAME QUESTION, HAS A LINE BEEN
CROSSED FOR YOU ON THAT?
>> NO, I THINK IT IS POLITICAL BY BOTH SIDES, FOR EXAMPLE
EVERYBODY IS MORE ENGAGED IN THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THIS.
>> SO, SOPHIE, THE IDEA AGAIN THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A
DEBATABLE SUBJECT.
CERTAINLY, DAN AND WHAT HE REPRESENTS HIS DUE, CERTAINLY,
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE 10 HOTTEST YEARS IN RECORD HAVE
COME SINCE 1998 AND WE ARE NOW IN THIRD YEAR IN A ROW OF
RECORD TEMPERATURES IN THIRD YEAR THAT HAS JUST HAPPENED,
IT IS A HARD SELL, ISN'T IT, TO SAY SOMETHING IS NOT GOING
ON HERE AND IT IS JUST ABOUT FLUCTUATION.
>> I TAKE EXCEPTION TO DAN'S CHARACTERIZATION OF CLIMATE
CHANGE AS A RELIGION.
IT IS A FACT BASED INQUIRY AND IT REMINDS ME -- THIS
DISCUSSION REMINDS ME OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE PIECES IN THE
ONION WHICH IS A SATIRICAL WEBSITE AND NEWSPAPER.
THIS PHOTO AND HEADLINE SAYS, CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST PHARMACIST
NOT REQUIRED TO FILL ANY PRESCRIPTIONS, AND IT FEELS TO
ME WITH THIS SET OF STANDARDS, THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY ARE
SAYING IS NONBELIEVING SCIENTISTS, LIKE SOMEBODY WHO
IS A SCIENCE TEACHER, IS NOT REQUIRED TO TEACH SCIENCE.
THAT IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME.
I CAN MAKE THE CHOICE BASED ON LOCAL STANDARDS, I WANT TO SAY
THE EARTH IS 6,000 YEARS OLD.
I AM GOING TO SAY EVOLUTION DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE I AM
ALLOWED TO BASED ON THESE STANDARDS.
IN FACT, IT MAY EVEN BE MANDATED BECAUSE OF THE TENOR
OF MY COMMUNITY.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE SAYING, A SCIENCE
TEACHER DOES NOT HAVE TO TEACH ACTUAL SCIENCE.
THAT SEEMS EXTREMELY SHORT SIGHTED.
AND, TO SAY, OH, THIS IS ABOUT COMMUNITY STANDARDS, THAT IS
NICE THAT YOUR COMMUNITY OR PORTIONS OF YOUR COMMUNITY MAY
FEEL THAT IT IS OKAY TO TEACH THINGS THAT ARE NOT
SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE BUT IT KEEPS YOUR STUDENTS FROM
COMPETING IN THE STATE MARKETPLACE, NATIONAL
MARKETPLACE, THE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE AND HOLDS US BACK
AS A STATE.
>> AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE COMPETING IS IN THE
INTERNATIONAL MARKETPLACE.
EDUCATION DEPARTMENT IS COLLECTING PUBLIC OPINION ON
THESE PROPOSED CHANGES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER.
HEAD TO NEWMEXICOINFOCUS.ORG TO FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN WEIGH
IN ON THE ISSUE.
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