(audience applauding)
- Hi I'm Stephanie Bendixsen and on this episode of Move,
we're gonna hit top gear as we look
at the future of the car.
So, buckle up and let's ride.
(dramatic music)
A quiet revolution is taking place on our roads.
Cars are getting smart, really really smart.
Arguably smarter than some world leaders?
Driverless are now a reality.
Test versions of Google's Waymo
are already driving around cities.
It's wheels self-steering
like some sort of ghostly chauffeur.
Turn left Spooky James.
Now autonomous vehicles have a long history,
dating back to 1968 as seen in the documentary
Herbie the Love Bug, but it could be less than a decade
before our cars could be saying to us,
"Hey mate, I've got this."
So kick back and check your smartphone
and we'll get you there before your smartwatches
ordered you a smart latte.
Do we need cars being smart?
The last thing you'd want is a car
telling you what to do, right?
Like you know, a reversing camera or a heads-up display,
or the old gauge?
What we've already seen is that driverless cars
aren't a cure-all for road safety.
A series of accidents earlier this year have suggested
that the all-conquering robots aren't perfect.
And there remain some big questions.
For instance, will those cars bring an end to road rage,
or make it worse?
If you cut off an autonomous vehicle,
might it go all Decepticon on you?
And what happens when smart cars meet dumb cars?
Do these educated cars, these electricity-sipping
sort of elite cars look down their bonnets
at old fashioned Ford Mustangs and tell them
they've just gotta stop it with their petrol guzzling
and take charge of their own journey.
And what's the future for Top Gear?
'Cuz I heard robot Jeremy Clarkson is kind of annoying.
Well, there's no doubt that we're in a car-obsessed nation.
Doing doughies in the car park is a traditional
Aussie rite of passage.
However, like most of the world,
we're paying the price for our car-obsessed ways.
But will we be comfortable with the alternative?
We ask the person on the street what they think
about this revolution on the road.
(playful music)
- Giving up the car, it might make a little bit
of difference to the planet,
but not an awful lot quite frankly.
- Give up my car?
To save money, yeah.
- I think money.
- Planet's good too, I like it.
- I'm in a wonderful relationship and we do all we can
to make our environment better anyway.
- Our relationship.
- Time I would say.
If you have time, your relationships
is going to be good as well.
(electronic music)
- So, to chat about this new car culture shift,
what our cars will look like
and who will be behind the wheel, if there even is a wheel.
We've got a couple of experts
who are driving the industry forward.
So please welcome the executive director of ADVI,
the Australian and New Zealand Driverless
Vehicle Initiative, Rita Excell.
(audience applauding)
And also welcome the organizer of this 72 hour self-driving
car challenge and CEO of Teleporter, Ben Sand.
(audience applauding)
So trials and experiments for autonomous vehicles
have been going on for quite awhile,
and I think we had over 20 trials in Australia
with many more around the world.
What do we think needs to happen for them to actually
roll out in our roads so that we can be using them?
- I think there's prolly a few things that need to happen.
I would say that the cars will probably be
about five years behind the trucks.
So maybe look at what they're doing first,
taking over things like the highways.
And once they've got that under control,
we can start to get out to more challenging scenarios
like suburban streets.
- So I'm trying to imagine how this shift would take place.
Does it mean that suddenly all of our cars
would be replaced with a fleet of autonomous vehicles?
- I think it's unlikely that there would be a
sort of a hard cutover.
Maybe in some exceptionally dense areas they'd create rules
that you'd only be allowed to use autonomous vehicles there
just because it's very challenging,
but most of the time they're going to be cohabiting
with other sorts of vehicles I think.
- I think Australians really love to drive.
I mean I have a confession, I can't actually drive
a manual car, but my partner refuses not to have one.
You know because he just loves driving
and that sense of being in control.
What does it take for us as a nation to give up that control
and the idea of being behind the wheel.
- Well I think that might be a bit of,
sort of a maybe false dichotomy.
I don't think just because a car can drive by itself
doesn't mean it always will.
You've got cruise control that doesn't have
to stay on all of the time.
So I really enjoy driving, when I'm stressed out
I like to go for a drive, but there's also times
when I'm quite stressed out because I am driving
and it's just a very challenging thing to be doing
'cuz of everything else that's going on.
So I think it's sort of more that we're gonna have
the choice, you know maybe when the roads
are exceptionally congested, there might be some benefit
or reduced toll if you're willing
to have the self-driver take over.
You'll be able to connect with other cars
so you'll take up less space.
Maybe you'd pay for the privilege to be in control
at that point in time, but the rest of the time
you can sort of do what you want.
- Nice, and so Rita you've been at the forefront
of this world for quite awhile.
You've even got a summit dedicated to this new car culture.
What makes enthusiasts passionate
about the potential of autonomous vehicles?
- Well I think essentially we have 128 partners,
organizations that really want to see this technology
come to Australia and New Zealand,
but come to Australia and New Zealand in a coordinated way.
And I think it's really important
to bring the community along with us.
We need to understand what their concerns are,
but also we need to talk to them about
the benefits of the technology.
And essentially when you talk about liking to drive
and enjoying driving, we're really talking to people
with a disability who don't have access
to driving their own personal vehicle.
So we have to really understand that this is not technology
for technology's sake, it's gonna have a benefit to society
if we implement it correctly.
If we let it happen organically,
we'll just get a consumer-driven commercial outcome.
What we need to have is a coordinated approach
so we get real benefits to society from the technology.
- And Ben you've seen first hand the work
that goes into building a self-driving car.
Tell us about the different types of AV
and I suppose the different players that are involved
in that kind of design.
- You know there's certainly a lot of different
companies that go into it.
I think the good news in Australia
is that we've actually got a perhaps underutilized
pool of talent that's actually very relevant
to building self-driving cars.
We've got a lot of mechanical engineers,
we've got a lot of very experienced,
in fact some of the best in the world.
People at Machine Visions, so these are the people
that will take an image and tell you what's in it.
It's pretty obvious what to do after that point.
You don't want to run over things that shouldn't
be run over, and you want to stay between the lines.
But knowing where the lines are and whether something's
a real person or just a cardboard cut out is the hard part.
And that's what we're actually exceptionally
good at in this country.
So we've got a lot of the really core skills.
There's certainly a lot of other large players
like Invidious done exceptionally well on this.
They've gone from 7 billion market cap up to 120 billion
over the last four years 'cuz they supply the
sort of the primary brain to self-driving cars, if you like.
A lot of great sensory manufacturers,
Baraja locally is doing exceptionally well,
the laser scanners that help the car see.
So I think there's probably more types of technology
that need to come to together
than almost any other thing that goes into this.
But I think as people in Australia,
we should be really excited about how we can contribute.
And part of what we did with the 72 hour challenge
was try to show people who came from
a mechanical engineering or automotive background
that self-driving cars weren't for someone else
or another place, they're something that
we can actually get involved in.
We have pretty much all the skills and people from overseas,
when they came to see what we're doing,
were so amazed they said, "You know we work for a giant
"self-driving car company and they won't let us
"touch a prototype that hasn't been at least two years
"in development, and you're knocking them out
"in three days."
And I think that a lot of people think it's a lot harder
than it really is, it's sort of just better
lane keeping assistance, better cruise control.
It's just sort of you just keep adding little bits on,
it's not some giant new thing that replaces everything.
It's just a little bit better until it's all the way there.
- And do you see this creating
different kinds of jobs in the automotive industry as well?
And what kind of jobs do you think that looks like?
- Well I think today marks five years since the announcement
that the auto manufacturing industry
was pulling out of Australia.
And instead of the gloom and doom,
a lot of the smart expertise has resided
and stayed in Australia, and is working towards developing
these new technologies.
So I think we've shouldered that storm
and there's exciting opportunities.
And a lot of the companies that are part of ADVI
essentially that were working overseas in developing
their technology in Australia to sell overseas.
And now they've got great opportunities in Australia
to do that at home, to demonstrate their capabilities.
I think that's a great thing that's happened
over the last period of, in the last three years.
- Well there's certainly a lot more parts
that go into a self-driving car.
So someone's gotta make those parts,
someone's gotta design them,
someone's gotta figure out how they fit together.
And I think that we're exceptionally
well-positioned to be doing that.
There certainly will be different jobs,
so people will need to be willing to engage with that.
But I do think they use far more
of the current skills than people expect.
What we found was that a lot of the people
who work on the computer side of things
just totally freak out when you pass them an angle grinder
and say, "Just go and put this thing in and weld it on."
And so it's actually sort of from a mechanical engineer's
perspective relatively basic stuff
that can drive this stuff forward.
So I think if they're willing to kind of get engaged
it can really go somewhere.
- One of the biggest conversations
around autonomous vehicles is safety.
Do you think driverless cars are absolutely
more safer than humans driving?
- Well we're wasting our time if they're not.
You know really that's ultimately we're wasting our time
'cuz if we had a perfect system and we're introducing
something that's less perfect, then we're wasting our time.
So yes lot's of people can make lot's money,
there's lots of investment, but fundamentally
the reason why we're doing automation
is about making people safer, making the transport system
operate better and more safely.
So how much safer?
I think that's a debate that we're having
as engineers and practitioners.
How much safer does it have to be
before we allow them on the system?
So that's an interesting thing and maybe the community's
best place to answer that question.
- Now you mentioned data, they are obviously
collecting a lot of data.
Naturally people would then have concerned about privacies,
is that something that can be resolved?
- Oh look I think people have different concerns
about privacy, essentially somebody my age group's
got a very different perception
to somebody who's a lot younger.
And sharing your information to get some benefit,
I think most people are up for that.
So let's see what sort of information we need to share
and what benefit we get from it.
And shows are already doing that now with you know
you opt in and you can get insurance
for however far you travel, what sort of a driver you are.
So people are ready and willing to share that information
if there's a benefit for them.
Obviously for security and safety purposes
some data has to be shared, and we rely on regulators
and the police to make sure that
that data's used for those purposes to keep us safe.
So I think the data sharing one is one
that we need to work through,
but there's opportunities there to share data for benefits.
- Yeah, I guess from a safety perspective as well
it would probably make me feel safer to know
that some data was being shared.
Particularly in a group ride sharing situation
of an autonomous vehicle,
you already have the extra person there.
So from the safety perspective I guess it's quite important.
What does AV mean for people that don't drive?
- Well as I said, we do a public perception survey,
it's the most rigorous scientific survey undertaking
in Australia and New Zealand.
And the biggest turnout as positive feedback
is people who are older and people with a disability.
In fact, we take for granted the right
that we can get a license if we choose to,
but people with a disability don't have that opportunity.
So there's almost about 30% more people
that could be in the transport system with AVs.
And so when we talk about jobs and loss of jobs,
servicing that growing sector
and managing how they access and use the transport,
there's huge opportunities.
But also as we get older, there's a lot of benefits
in keeping older people in the workforce longer,
and sometimes the biggest barrier
for them continuing to work
is being able to get to their place of employment.
So I think AVs and even the high driver assistance features
can help people to drive longer
and contribute to the economy longer.
- Of course as well as cars, driverless vehicles
could also mobilize, even revolutionize public transport
unlocking new possibilities for mobility.
What could that mean for the daily commute?
We set our reported Josh Phillipps to find out.
- There's a new car culture kicking off in Australia
and while we may not be able to afford the luxury
of a Tesla when it comes to electric cars,
it doesn't mean that we're not going to be jumping on
an electric vehicle soon because there are already about
22 trials of autonomous vehicles, or electric buses,
going on in Australia.
But when will we see on rock up on our doorstep?
I caught up with Andrew from HMI Technology
who's been running an AV shuttle trial
in Sidney Olympic Park to find out.
- Hey Josh, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you too.
Absolutely, and welcome to the first
autonomous shuttle vehicle trial in Sydney.
- Thank you, excited to be here.
- Would you like to go for a spin?
- I'd love to go for a spin.
Let's do it. - Absolutely, take a seat.
- Cool.
- This particular fiber vehicle does all of it's navigation
by very accurate GPS and some sensors called Lidars.
You can think of it sort of running like a tram
without the need for rails.
The primary reason we're going down this path
is for safety reasons.
94% of accidents on our roads are caused by human error
and by eliminating that error, we can eliminate
a lot of the deaths and injuries on our roads.
And that's the primary reason that we as a company
are promoting automated vehicles,
and that's why worldwide they're such a big thing.
- So if somebody was to walk out on the road in front of us,
what would happen?
- The vehicle would stop for it,
or slow down depending on how far away the pedestrian is.
If they're very close, then it will stop very suddenly.
If they're a fair way away, then it will gradually slow down
and wait for them to get out of the way.
If they don't get out of the way, it'll stop
and eventually toot a horn at them.
This type of vehicle I think is well suited
to what they call the first and last mile of travel.
We see that they can be providing travel
from home to the station, or from the station
to office buildings and that sort of thing.
And the other obvious application of these vehicles
is in precincts like Sydney Olympic Park,
like airport precincts, like retirement villages,
and these sorts of things to provide a level of service
for those people that they don't have at the moment.
Moving forward, we can replace one large bus
with multiple small buses.
Someone will still need to be supervising
those buses in a control room or something like that.
So instead of one driver driving a big bus
around the back routes of a suburb,
you can have one operator supervising remotely
the operation of multiple smaller vehicles
that'll provide a richer service to the public.
- Well that was my first ride in an autonomous vehicle
and it was a truly surreal experience.
And while I don't think cars or buses
are going to be eliminated off our roads anytime soon,
if you do see one of these around in the future,
jump on and give it a go 'cuz they're a lot of fun.
And they're gonna take you places
you may not have thought you'd go before.
(electronic music)
- Well it seems that to change gear,
we may need an alternative that's cheaper, faster,
safer, and more reliable,
and maybe even prettier than we have today.
Then again, if your car knows where you need to go
even before you do,
then maybe we'll all make the leap a lot faster.
That's all we have time for,
thank you so much to Rita and Ben.
And thanks so much to you for watching.
I'm Stephanie Bendixsen and until next time, keep on moving.
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