First of all: Thank you for accepting this interview (In Japanese)
It's sincerely a honor! (In Japanese)
Are we doing it in Japanese?
Nope! Just the intro! :D
thank you because four years ago when I met you for the first time actually
you introduced me to Systema because you say "I'm not a master" yeah I know it but
if it wasn't for you and your passion for your true passion for Systema maybe
I'd have never entered in this world so that's very important to me and that meeting, that day
and meeting you here in Rome, thanks to Federico Punzi, it's like a tradition
a confirm go the Path I'm going through so... thank you...
my questions are just to know you better and also your point of view
I'd like to ask you for example about systema: what is system to you? Because you many times
you many times you speak about the correlation between systema and
relationships and you use to say a lot sistema is a metaphor of life
so I'm interested in not just what is system but what is systema to you
That's my question actually
It's as everybody says: it's more than a martial art. It's more how to live life for me.
Being healthy in a lot of different ways.
I'm healthier because I have better relationships, I do better a work,
the training itself also but it's not like I have to do different things
for private life I do exactly the same inside the training like we did today
I don't use a different concept before also for training things
we were talking about letting others define what you do or how you are
You see, you should be in control
It's the same like asymmetrical responsive but we were talking about today
if somebody pushing in one way okay maybe you can find the best way to neutralize
or whatever then that's like he defines you what to do, what you do I mean
but instead you try to be dependent from how they do things to you
or how they are; so that's exactly how you survive in the business world too.
You are too dependent on something and when something happens you collapse
or job's changing too, when you prepare for something
The same concept works straightaway. For the health...
(Reporting job experience) I had a so much stress from work that
I was told from the doctor I have to quit my job "you have to take it slow maybe go to
countryside..." yeah like tone down basically
Instead I did press home work and other stuff that muscle said it's cool a few weeks later
which I did not start working for my doctor was like wow all the town like
Harry you were to Hawaii or novel or something super nice now your chills or
maybe too good alone no I was working the same as busy as
most for even more stress or whatever but because of this total system
exercise gives you a boost in immune system
you tell you how the deal was this first base here and so on I was hospitalized
maybe's to be the way to say but still his true oh it's everything it was in
November I remember that you told me that you met sistema when you were in
England and he did so and so maybe I I want us to which kind of the picture of
differences you find between system I and maybe Japanese martial arts again
I'm not the master neither much love so I could be super
wrong but it is two different system it's not the right role more better
worse just that it's like you get the electricity from water or everything
from fire it's all right okay there is a some characteristic but you both give
you power or something like this you just the the Japanese martial arts gives
you that boost in your people homes like
the ground or like even when you're powerful bio structure client is
opponent your power will go through somehow it well one the way be like
a needle, it goes, or its kind of power that actually go through the
tension, or something. But the system is different in my opinion
It's an anti-distraction thing that Systema talks about
It doesn't even collide, it's giving you the opponent tension that's a collision
so of course there'll be a fight yeah there has to be a winner and
loser right. It's not gonna work like that oh that's why it's good for your
ego too because it's not like you win or lose, no
You relax people even when you punch them
Ok, I still give lots of attention to some people too
But I actually work in order to relax people by punching hard
so that they even when you go crazy like that, it looks, but afterwards you feel
like all the stress's gone out or at least like a level down or something
I think you saw some of the evidences this weekend, I hope!
Speaking of Japanese martial arts
maybe the tradition of Japan practicing martial arts it is a totally different way of thinking maybe
So in your experience how would you describe the experience of
Japanese people that are studying (Russian) martial arts nowadays?
how do they find it? how do they feel in such a different thing?
I'm not actually young anymore so I don't know how people are doing right now but...
I thin Japanese martial arts give you something that you son't have
So you become something better than what you are right now
I think Systema is quite different
Systema doesn't turn you into anything else, not even stronger
Ok as a result it may be but it's note the purpose to be stronger or tougher
it's like by finding out who you are what you are
exactly you know how to deal with things so that with your current strengths
current that the body condition you can do wonderful thing but I think Japanese
martial arts is a little bit different In Japanese martial arts you become more
than what you are right now so you become stronger basically a higher being in that way
Maybe it's a bit too much but...
With Systema you will stay who you I find it easier to
be humble Ed: I really understand that feeling
When Japanese people come at your classes of Systema
how do they feel about it? What is the main experience
they feel about this so different way of training that is not like a training
because it's actually a laboratory about perceptions about yourself
because you can go as deep as you want you can train your body as you can train anything else
The singularity about Systema is that Systema is for everybody
Ok some people might not want to try it but it works for everybody
If they want to try it helps them in the aera they want
Some people might want it for health some people want it for like body conditioning
some people wait for morenatural movements some people went for
pure martial arts things; it could be anything!
It could be anti-stressing from the work or whatever
The thing is that all so different people is there and yet to be trying this one way of doing things
but when you go to other martial arts school is different
you have different belts to become a sort of more and more teacher or whatever
but sistema training is more like
normal real society there is you, you, me etc
all sort of different people it's like a small version of the real world
but if you go to other martial arts most often you find that the same kind
of characteristic people gather in one club if you know what I mean
If you go to BBJ club, certain type of people
goes there a lot may be a few different people but similarly minded people
so not like everybody have a different way of looking at things different goals
different ways... no it's more like... no which is also gives you a different place I'm sure
but systema is very unique in that area so that everybody could be different
I mean training works, in that way I think it's something you don't see in other martial arts
Or not, I don't know :P
That's interesting!
about experience you felt training in different countries how did you find
Italian people doing sistema would kind of mentality or advise you would give or just
you felt about Italian people doing sYstema because and when every country
has its own characteristic, so maybe it's just a curiosity
I know the instructors here like yourself, Federico, the guy from Naples
Ed: yeah, and Vito
and Stefano
You know, you guys are nice
I don't know, I don't see any confliction
Maybe you see some main difficulties or main capacity I mean like some link you found between us
Oh! You guys are tough!
I mean, what do you think of when I'm doing things in Japan!? It's like, sometimes when I do...
and some people fly; but if you guys want to fight you you fight even the girls
who fight so maybe I'm not gonna punch them in the face but still when I try
something and I ask him to give me something to go you know
So there is a kind of more sincere...
Yeah!
sometimes Japanese people are maybe too polite or something so they don't give
me a good response so for me it's sometimes it's difficult to to read oh
no basically if I do it too hard they don't like it for you to real they say it
doesn't work so it's very difficult when they put
like acting it it's easier to feel the difference what I'm talking about so in
a way I like here; or plus, if I do something wrong or less right
I get that from you guys so that I can correct myself better but with
Japanese people maybe it started to work they give up Ed: there are different kind of respect
maybe they are too nice oh it's nice that today we got this respect, the humbleness and stuff
as a two-edged sword so one way is nice but also it's actually makes people suffer
so maybe Japanese people who are studying Systema nowadays because it's getting more and more famous
trough TV and programs...
I wouldn't say that because, ok at the moment Ed: there a lot of (martial) magazines about it if we compare with Italy
Ah ok, but the way we are introducing it in TV is a comedy at the moment, it's a little bit sad
but again but exposure is more important right we can't buy the air time without
money or anything so if someone hears like "what is this?" then maybe they want to google
maybe our names come out So even I know the contents sometimes we're not happy but still there's systema name or
like Mikhail, the image, or whatever comes on TV it actually helps
When you speak about Mikhail Ryabko
your eyes are like shining What can I say? I like him :D
I know, I met him and I don't know how to describe it He was just moving myself (emotionally)
What is your experience with him?
What do you feel when you're with him?
I don't know, for me he is like a... charger! I need to go see him to get charged and then I come back and try to do
maybe my level goes down maybe it's time to go see him like get
charged up it could be in Moscow or Michael's seminars in Japan
maybe it's partially the language problem but it's not like I'm getting like
"your finger should do this way, or how..." Non both of those things
which we have a lot in the Japanese martial arts But with Mikhail even when he's turning his back to me
for example, and talking to someone and maybe I was talking to somebody else or
something: by being in the distance of parameter that I can feel his presence
I don't know somewhat he has a power to influence, so that sometimes I don't train with
him or others but just maybe drinking, talking but his state effects me you know so that
things that I've never done before when I still have that state inside of me just when I
come back from Moscow or seminars or something I can do this stuff that I've never done
before very well but unfortunately this is a
state that I just borrowed from Mikhail it's Mikhail's state
So it'll fade away Last week I could do so well but didn't know why
but this week nothing works... but during this one or two weeks
depends on the time I see something that they've never seen before
because I can do something like above the clouds; but it's not mine yet
I just borrowed his state so I go down but this scenery helps to climb here by myself
in my opinion so because of this special upbeat I do
recommend you to spend as much time as possible with Mikhail but it doesn't mean that "mikhail! mikhail! can you teach me?"
It' about feeling
Yes because his state... HE IS SYSTEMA
So he is not trying to do systema unfortunately I feel that I am trying to do sistema maybe that's the
key at the end I don't know but he is Systema so that the by being costly
dislike that if I'm a tense person and then I'm kinda close so that you
feel my presence at the state and you find me like this sooner or later
you will have some tension inside you that gives you tension or if I'm
I'm relaxed and like talking like this then this state will affect you too
it's like that but in a deeper way obviously he's much calmer more relaxed
and I don't know you know because you saw it's something very special about him
it's unfortunate or like half of my effort that I can't speak Russian so our
conversation is quite limited Ed: but maybe trough you're "not speaking Russian" you
can speak something else I mean analogically. Ryo: we have our time
Edo: you can put your attention to what you're feeling more than (words)
I think we understand each other a little bit I think you know without the
language thing we can joke each other and stuff too
I guess I feel a little more relaxed with him than before, when I was like "Mikhail! Mikhail!"
Yeah, I felt the same sensation like "Oh wow, Mikhail is here"
If it's not my time
I don't need to go to Mikhail and if it was my time even if I'm far away Mikhail will
call me anyway it doesn't matter so for me if I have a opportunity I will stay
in the area that I can still feel his presence that's it; and if he feels like to call me or do something with me, he calls.
No, I was like that! Totally totally but if it's not your time is your time
actually makes the situation worse ruins the all the atmosphere of the room or the people
that around you; people start to feel not comfortable
especially with systema people because we are a little more receptive than...
when you were a child what did you want to become if you remember. I don't know I
think I wanted to go to space or something like astronaut?
also I wanted to be a doctor or something like that but never was
seriously just one of those things when you have to draw the dream I just be
done it's not that I read about it you I don't look forward to it
I didn't have much dream dream I'm boring
Do you got some dream now?
I wanna understand more That's it
So I work so that I can afford to go to Moscow or whatever
And hold seminar
I like it (Systema) so I wanna do more That's it
it's simple for me
if you like it you want do more and more whatever it is, it's simple
lol
Do you want to say something?
I'm mean i't up to you if you feel to say something or not
Oh you should go to see the Master
If you're interested in systema, that's it I mean I can I introduce something but
nothing compared to what they do or how they are Edo: the first time I met you you told me
the same thing and it was like this Onishi maybe is just maybe
he build up his humbleness just too much because he's Japanese but
but we trained some hour together and then I felt like I was moved by and then I
started wondering about you were talking about and then I met Daniel
I met Mikhail and I understood what you mean and you taught me to let a lot of
things inside of me go I don't know, like calm water When I'm with you I feel safe
I feel safe because what I'm doing is Systema
Because I feel you passion and that what you're doing is Systema and that you're
still going up and you're still studying because you live and love it and so I feel
If I'm with this guy I'm ok I mean that's my feedback and I really mean it
when I speak with Daniil of you he's like... (no words to explain...) but like look some people said my hug or
Some people say the I'm humble or something
but I don't think so if you meet them for real
you understand what I'm talking about okay I'm not like this but I know
the truth yeah I can't lie it's that good it's
like senior instructor people it's like my father's level or like it another
generation the masters again another generation up or something it's just like
totally different world it's like: masters are adult for example
senior instructors are the kids, and kids already start to show their characteristic so that if
you can see that this guy is gonna be good these guys maybe it'll be
troublesome this is starting to have the direction what I am right now it's like
a sperm, it could be boy could be girl could die but there might be a
possibility that I might become something too but there is no proper
direction yet that's what I am. Edo: what do you feel about this sensation you feel
like kind of tension inside of you or excited?
because you get a great path a big path in front of you that you can go through
For me is much more primitive than
like it's a human thing or animals and if you
call it if you if it's not boyfriend/girlfriend thing or friend thing
when people connected you become happier you like it and what we do... we connect
Even to get out from the problem we connect but not even the intentional connect when
I trie to connect and you don't answer I feel like a broken heart It's one-sided love
Edo: because you're depending Right? Because I'm hoping for the same feeling from you
Wei wenn you fall in love it's natural that you lose balance
Yes exactly but when I'm looking at my own state to be able to do that
I'm not chasing you, I work for myself as a result we connect
You connect
I connect you know so that it's more healthier it's not like it and then if
you go I feel I go or what if I do this and you feel like you know no
I have myself. Again: Indipendence
You should never ever let anybody define how you are what you do this is your freedom
this is your life right you have to maximize it of course sometimes you can't
if you can't change it you have to learn to accept it but when you cannot accept
it you change something that way you change the little bit by little even
maybe faster you people second time third time and effort
You will change something so that you become better so today you get defeated
whatever you couldn't do very well who cares how often do I train with any of you
But you want to prove something I want to prove something too of course I'm human too
I I just find out more more about myself so that even we fight we
don't become how I want to be unless I'm on my way
that's the best I can offer because I am not Superman but at least I get better than
yesterday that's all we can do anyway if life time is long enough for that
maybe become something or I manage to do something it's okay - because I am happy to die
I did my best no regrets. It's not like somebody
forced me to do it simple for me oh no it's like a very simple screen
it's light and when I'd like for a few lighter for myself I'm very heavy others
when I move but when I feel heavy inside myself
I'm very light from others so that they can move me
training proves that too Edo: like a mirror
I'm thankful
Take it or leave it, that's me :)
And thanks to Federico and Kokorozashi
great also because he made us know each other
introducing you in Italy hey but you came Osaka no?
I love Japan and it was good training with Systema Osaka You know: doors open, come back anytime!
You're welcome too to Osaka
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