Hi guys,
be welcome to another video of "AFTER ALL, WHAT ARE WE?".
Today, we will know the story of Lucas Olles,
who, at the age of 19,
had a stroke, followed by a seizure, followed by a cardiac arrest, followed by another stroke.
His story is deep, impressive and full of details..,
The interview was divided into three parts.
With you ... the first part.
Good afternoon, Luke ...
We are here today to listen to your Near Death Experience,
the experience that you went through.
First, however, I would like you to identify yourself, and say something about yourslf,
and then please tell us the experience you had.
My name is Lucas Olles ...
Today I work with culture, entertainment ... theatrical play ...
and my NDE took place on September 27th, 2005, when I was 19,
that's when I had two strokes.
At 19 no one expects to have two ischemic strokes, isn't it?
In an area that rarely occurs this kind of problem.
Apparently everything was normal, on that day, an average day ...
I was happy, joyful ... smiling ...
and so I went to work.
My job was a little stressful, but nothing out of the ordinary ...
and... I had the first stroke ...
it was around 6 PM.
What did you have exactly, what did you feel?
I was feeling very at a certain point ...
and... suddenly, I felt a very strong pain in the nape.
a very strong pain in the right side of the nape ...
... and the next moment I felt ...
the right side of my body deadening ...
I could not control it ...
and this side began to pull, I felt the members pulling ... my leg and my arm.
As I was at work, I thought, "Oh, it must be a malaise, a common headache" ...
and ... I just kept going ... despite this situation was getting worse, very fast ...
to the point where I could not speak anymore.
You couldn't speak, then?
I couldn't.
I couldn't speak and I felt as if my mouth was under dentist's anesthesia.
That's more or less what happened.
At one point I lost consciousness ... at work.
I woke up much time later.
Were you taken to the hospital unconscious?
Yes, unconscious ... unconscious.
I got help from some friends inside the company ...
that took me to the lobby ... my mother had already been warned, she was already there ...
and I was taken to the hospital.
Already unconscious.
And there, by examination, they found that you had a stroke?
I was immediately hospitalized ...
And ... I went through CT scans, through electros ...
and the stroke was then identified... in a really internal area... of the brain ... on the left side.
An ischemic stroke.
Eight hours after I was admitted I had a very strong convulsion ...
My mother had just entered the ICU ...
when I had this seizure, followed by a cardio-respiratory arrest.
and that's when I had a second stroke.
As a result of the first,
according to... what the doctors reported me.
That's when I died.
Was it during this second stroke that you had your experience?
Yes.
Lucas, how was it when you became aware that you were ...
living this new sensation, this near-death experience?
From the moment of the loss of consciousness until...
the moment of... seizure, followed by cardio-respiratory arrest...
I do not recall.
As if it were a sleep without memories, a dreamless sleep.
But from the moment I had the cardiorespiratory arrest ...
I woke up...
outside the body.
I woke up out of the body.
I woke up in a corner of the ICU ...
looking at my body.
I was in an ICU corner and I could see ...
I saw myself having the cardio-respiratory arrest, I saw all the reaction of the medical staff ...
of the nurses, doctors, my mother being taken from the ICU ...
the nurse going up in bed and doing ...
the resuscitation procedures ...
doctors ... arriving and all the events ... that are normal in this type of occurrence ...
and I then I realized and said "I died."
I remember perfectly my thought there, "I died."
"I died."
That's how I passed through this ...
and with a very solid view of everything.
This experience ... this feeling ... this realization of being dead,
did it cause you ... some feeling of ... fright ... alarm?
No.
or fear?
No.
No?
No ... no ... no.
To be honest,
- it is one thing I always tell and people laugh -
I thought, "wow, how ugly our body is."
When you saw your body you had that impression?
Ugly. Very ugly.
I had no negative feelings, I had no impression like, "oh my God, what now?"
Because immediately I was overwhelmed by a feeling of ...
peace ... of ...
It is very difficult to find words to explain what was happening.
I was overcome by a feeling of ...
continuity. And not of an end.
And then I ... watching myself ...
In the ICU corner, watching my body there going through all the clinical procedure ...
I felt a flash ...
I saw a ... a ...
it's as if it were a big ...
vortex of light ... white ...
I found myself being taken, as if I were in a...
in a fall of the roller coaster, the first fall, which is more ...
- You felt being quickly attracted? - But going up.
Yes. Very fast.
No sound at all. Only light ... only light.
Always with this feeling ... a positive feeling.
Then I...
I do not know if I can say that I woke up somewhere because I do not remember having slept ...
during this going process.
But I ... at some point ...
I remember opening my eyes and being in another place.
a place ...
very different ... very different.
And it was no longer the ICU, or the hospital ...?
I believe it was no longer here.
And what memory do you have of this place?
I have memories ...
actually...
very solid ones.
The main issue that somewhat prevents me from detailing is the issue of time.
It's hard to say how long I was there.
I can not measure.
I remember that I woke up on a white platform ...
with about five centimeters high...
white ... in a lawn ...
and there was a ...
a person ... a person ... by my side ... there ...
which I could not see very clearly the face.
But I knew who was that person.
And that moment was the first time that I understood ...
or that I had a contact with the experience ... of understanding ...
that there was a full consciousness there ... collective...
because I couldn't really see the person but I knew who the person was.
And it was my maternal grandmother,
who died, I think, fifteen years before I was born.
And she said, "calm."
"Be at peace ... everything is okay."
"I came here to get you."
"It's all right."
Then I got up ...
I do not remember talking ...
with her...
but I remember several things she told me at that moment.
She said, "you're here ... you will not stay here ..."
"You're here but you will not stay."
"You will return..."
"You're only going to stay here for a while."
"While you are here ... '
"We'll talk for a bit and I'll show you a little how it is here."
I was not scared, I was not ...
in any time ...
scared or with ... some kind of ...
negative feeling.
Quite the opposite.
I had a feeling of ...
the expression ... after all these years ... that I am able to think, to imagine...
to try to describe some of what is there is something called ...
that I call collective consciousness.
There is no individual.
There is no individual ... What exists is ...
Everyone is interconnected.
As if all were ...
one thing, really.
Then she took me ... we strolled around a little, somewhere, in this big open space ....
It looked like a park ...
there was a large grove on the left side with tall trees ...
and a lake on the same left side, really big ... I could not see the other shore, the end of the lake ...
It was a large lake ...
and there were people ... many people in groups ...
scattered in this field...
and some of them were wearing ...
what seemed to be togas... white...
and all talking to each other, all with a smile on the face...
all... those groups there, people sort of dressing in a similar way, their clothes ...
and she told me that what I went through, what I was going through there ...
it was something that I had to go through, I had chosen to go through ...
she said that it is common ... this sort of thing ...
she said, "here is life"...
"here is the place where people live" ...
and that I would return soon ...
and I had to return ... and tell.
Multiply this experience.
Then at that moment I remember ...
to be walking ... although I tried to look down and I didn't see me ... I did not see my body ...
I remember keep walking with her ...
by the lake ...
I think it was a lake ...
I don't think it was an ocean ...
It was a lake with a very calm water ...
I remember trying to look at the sky ...
to look up ... and there was no sky.
There was nothing.
All white.
A white of a very bright light ...
and I thought: "wow ..."
I remember perfectly thinking, "wow, how beautiful it is here."
and I remember asking her ...
by the answer she gave me ... I believe I asked her if it was just us who were there.
I believe that the connotation of the question was that because she responded, "No".
"There are many here."
Then I got a little ...
Then we kept walking ...
There was a moment when we passed alongside another group ...
a very large group ... about thirty people gathered there, sitting on the floor ...
and one standing ...
seeming to be teaching ... talking there ...
getting a lot of attention from people ...
and she...
when we passed by this large group, he (the standing person) waved... to me ...
then all looked at me and smiled.
At this moment I felt much ...
heat...
many...
many good things...
nourishing ...
and a very strong heat.
Then I remember ... flashes ... of places ...
all within this park, in quotes, this open area ...
I remember seeing some things ... her voice ...
I remember seeing how is the ...
the connection between those beings ...
who were on that other side ...
until she took me back ... we turned around ...
in a place full of flowers ... many flowers, many flowers ...
and she took me back to this platform, this big square of wood ...
I think it's wood ... white ...
and she said, "now you will return."
"Everything will be all right."
"Do not worry ... do not be afraid ..."
"You will go back and everything will be OK."
"But do not forget. It is here that we live."
"Here is the natural place for us to be."
"Go back and tell."
One of the things my grandmother said is ...
"All you're learning here, everything that you see ..."
"Use for good. Report, tell, and use for good."
"Use for good."
Later, I understood, long after the return I understood ...
what would be this "good".
She didn't send any message to anyone ...
That's when I felt a little fear.
I believe I didn't want to return.
Maybe a little because of the last picture I'd seen of my body.
You were shocked by that image, isn't it?
I think I didn't want to return to that place where those things were happening ... because of the last thing I saw.
Then I felt a little fear ... I was maybe afraid.
And do you remember approaching to your body in the ICU?
I remember ... I do ...
Did you come with her? Did she come along with you?
No, no, she took me to this ... this platform on the ground ...
I remember lying on it ...
and then I had again that feeling of falling ...
very strong.
Very strong.
The example of the roller coaster is just perfect.
and then I woke up, in a very strong impact.
But I did wake up a long time after ... my cardio-respiratory arrest.
You got to be intubated?
I woke up at the moment I was being intubated.
With a lot of white heads on top of me ...
I looked up and they said, "Lucas ... are you okay? Lucas, blink... blink..."
And days had passed thus far
A few days.
I do not think I came back the same.
Did you change ... after the experience?
Some things.
Can you talk about that?
I believe that what has changed the least was physically ...
you come back with a different view of the world ...
... of wider boundaries ...
you understand that there is something there ...
that not necessarily religion or science explains ...
And what about the fear of death?
None.
Completely disappeared?
Nothing ... nothing ... nothing, nothing, nothing ...
It is a breath ...
I believe it is welcome at some moment.
I would like to know, Lucas, how long after waking up in bed,
after understanding that you were admitted ... in a serious situation,
how long after did you have the memory of the near-death experience?
Immediately.
- It was right away? You woke up there and saw that... - Immediately.
- ... you were again in a new situation ... - Immediately.
Immediately.
I remember waking up with the doctors ...doing ... starting this intubation procedure ...
and then a doctor told me: "Lucas, you had ... a stroke ..."
"serious..."
"I do not know if you are understanding me. If you're aware, blink ..."
But, at that moment, I had the recent memory of having passed through ...
that experience with my grandmother ...
with those people in that place ...
and I wanted to talk.
I woke up very nervous and wanting to talk, but I couldn't...
I was ... I was very ill ... I had my mouth ...
displaced, unable to speak.
I went back to talking ... months later.
So Lucas, as I understand it, you had a cerebral ischemia, a stroke ...
you were diagnosed through exams ... you went to ICU ...
in the ICU you had a seizure ...
and then a cardiac arrest.
So my question is:
In which of these clinical moments do you think your experience began?
The Near-Death Experience.
Was it after the seizure? Was it at the beginning of the stroke?
I found myself in the ICU corner ... when I was having the seizure ...
Understand.
having the convulsion ... all that lurch in the body to the front, back ...
the attitude of the nurses, the doctors ...
trying to control ...
and then shortly thereafter ...
the cardio-respiratory arrest and consequently the procedures ...
also not nice to be seen, of resuscitation ...
Did you watch it all?
I did. But right after ...
I did not finish seeing ... I remember seeing a nurse almost climbing on the bed ...
to do some massage ... something in my chest ...
and then I had the experience.
Were you already being drawn to the light, as you said?
Yes...yes...
From a clinical point of view, what you are telling is absolutely perfect and very well known ...
in neurology.
The cardiac arrest after a seizure.
This is the most frequent cause of death in epilepsy.
The epileptic has a seizure, which leads to a violent electrical shock in the brain ..
which can lead to a cardiac arrhythmia or cardiac arrest, which is what you had.
Fortunately you were ... Fortunately or unfortunately, Lucas, have you been revived?
In the first moments after ...
the return, I would say unfortunately.
Because the return wasn't easy.
- The return? - Yes.
It was not easy.
Do you have any recollection of how is this return?
Did you plunge into your body as you dive into a swimming pool?
That's it, the example is perfect. It is the fall of a roller coaster.
And this return, this entry in the body hurts the body... a bit.
It hurts.
It hurts.
You mean a physical suffering ...?
Yes. It's very difficult because ...
I was in a place, on a level, where you do not feel pain.
Not at all.
You do not have...
Suffering of any kind?
Nothing.
And suddenly, to enter the body, you enter with pain?
Feeling pain?
Imagine through what I did pass there ...
so many needles, so many tests ...
Six catheterizations ...
CSF collection column? ... I lost count ...
Is very difficult.
And I always willing to talk, to report, to tell ... "Hey, I'm...", to scream ...
"There is another side, there is another place ..." And I could not ... my mouth was here.
It was displaced, I could not speak ... I babbled ...
That was when the brain ... could connect the person with the name.
It took a while for me to ... know who was who.
Do you think you regained consciousness ... in your body, so to speak ...
when you were still intubated or not?... The tube had already been removed from you? ...
Do you remember that?
I remember hearing everything.
I remember hearing everything.
- All the talk with the doctors? - All the talk. Everything.
And I screamed inside myself: "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here."
I remember everything. I remember the nurse running his hand on my forehead, I remember my mother ...
Although I was...
in quotes, unconscious ...
as the doctors say, "he is unconscious," ... but I was aware, I was hearing everything ...
All the talk of the doctors ... the noise of the hospital...
everything.
Lucas, I would like to clarify a point that is as follows:
There are two possibilities within the experience ...
the possibility of hearing everything because you're ... with the consciousness out of the body ...
during the NDE ...
or the possibility that you are actually there, present, in the physical body...
without sedative, already awake and listening to everything.
I believe that is the second option.
The second?
Yes, because I remember ... returning to the body ...
having... this shock ...
and waking up inside the body ...
Okay.
and the body ... sleeping ... the body turned off.
And you were conscious?
I was fully conscious.
And who was taking care of you probably did not have that perception.
No, no, no ... I remember that ...
I remember my mother ...
saying that I was in bed like a ...
vegetable ... a person in a coma for a long time ...
Without any reaction ...
Without any reaction ... none.
But totally connected to what was happening in my surroundings.
I remember sleeping inside my ...
within this ... this ... this state ... I remember sleeping ...
and waking up ... inside my body ... that was turned off.
It is very strange trying to explain.
I remember ... people running a hand on me...
and saying, "hey, what a handsome boy ... almost died ... no one knows if he will come back ..."
I remember my mother crying ... I remember my relatives arriving ...
they stayed just a short time ... I think it was not a good thing to see ...
and left ...
I remember the nurses taking care of me ...
In a level of consciousness that was not yet detected ...
by the doctors ... and by the equipment ...?
Not yet.
And is it different from the consciousness you had when you were out of the body?
Totally.
- Is it something else? - Totally, totally.
Consciousness in the body is greatly reduced.
- And out is it expanded? - Universal.
Did you had a feeling of oneness with the universe?
The hardest thing for me to explain is this...
idea of collective... of universal consciousness.
- Were you part of a whole? Was that the impression? - Yes, of a whole.
I felt a little of what my mother was feeling here ...
of what ... my friends were feeling here ...
of what people who I didn't know were feeling here ... and not just here ...
I could...
It is very hard to explain.
It's as if I had a connection with each person.
Here... and there.
So when people waved to me, smiled to me ...
I felt their sincerity and their joy at seeing me there.
But also, very distantly, I felt the sadness ... of my mother here, for example.
So based on this ...
on this feeling, I believe there is a very strong connection between who is there with who is here.
Very strong.
Despite being so far away, it still exists.
You started to say something about the changes that happened ...
in your way of seeing things in the world from the experience you had ...
We talked about the fear of death that you said that disappeared ...
- It's gone. - It doesn't exist anymore, right?
It disappeared completely.
Some people, Luke, say they have developed some features that they didn't have before ...
Do you think this happened to you? Did you develop any different thing?
I believe so.
You do believe?
I believe because I experience it all the time.
What exactly do you experience?
Some...
in some moments of my routine ...
this routine that we have here ...
physical, material routine ...
somewhat futile ... when compared to ...
the place where I've been ...
in some moments I have...
contact with there.
With there. I have contact with that place.
And with who is there.
Not that I go there.
But people from there come here.
You feel this.
And didn't this happen before?
No.
No.
No.
Lucas, are you religious?
No.
- No... - Don't you attend any religion at all?
I attend a few.
I attend a few but ...
if I tell you that I interpret all that I went through and still go through ...
as something religious I will be lying ... I don't ... it's not possible for me.
Because it is almost part of the ...
part of life, part of ... the routine ... so ... I don't need ...
to go to a religious sphere ...
to understand what is happening because ...
for me ... it is physical, is palpable, that place exists, that's where we all really live ...
that place is the common, that's where we have to go back ... to stay there, because that place is our place ...
and, at times, some people from there, some beings from there ...
for some reason ... they come here and get in touch.
I do not understand this as something religious.
Because I think the religion creates a distance.
In order to explain we have to ... get away, to get in touch with ...
I don't need this.
And this contact you are referring to is something new for you, isn't it? Before that you had none of this, right?
No, I didn't have ... Nothing, nothing.
Think ... nineteen years ...
- Far from it...? - Far from it.
The last thing you want to connect or have contact with is the impalpable.
The only known person you saw was your grandmother, or was there anyone else known?
That I could identify, only my grandmother.
Only your grandmother, isn't it?
And... Some ...
some...
some beings from there, they are are not possible to be identified.
While you were there, you had a clear perception of them?
Yes.
But you could not know who was each one?
No, no.
Nor even in the case of the one who signaled to your grandmother?
I believe that the sign was to me.
- To you? - To me.
No.
Not even in his case?
Maybe not now ...
maybe I cannot say who was him ... now.
But when I was there ...
Yes.
You hinted, Luke, that the issue of time is also something that ...
you didn't have...
At that time there ... the notion of time you had was...?
Zero.
No notion at all?
Some people who have had an experience similar to yours ...
say that at first they saw a kind of film ... of their own life passing by quickly.
You didn't have it, did you?
Not even a slight scene.
No?
Nothing nothing nothing...
it was all very fast...
very fast ... I do not remember ... no, no.
perhaps because I was only nineteen, and I knew so little yet ...
But you were very emphatic in saying that the sensation was good ...
- Very good. - You felt well-being ...
and pleasure.
Did that give you joy?
Pleasure is a good word.
Not only because of the beauty of the place ...
not only because of the people ... or because I was with my grandmother, that I didn't know ...
but because of the sensations.
You know when you make a long, long journey, and you come home?
Better than this.
Were you aware that this was a supernatural thing?
Or at least out of the ordinary?
Out of the ordinary ... out of the ordinary.
No doubt about it?
At the time of my ... of my convulsion ...
I thought ... "oops ..."
"I died".
At that moment I thought that.
It was the only time I thought ...
"Someone was right ..."
During my experience ...
when communication was established ...
as I said, I didn't see my body, I looked ... in quotes ... down and saw nothing ...
I didn't see, didn't see ... mouths move, nothing, nothing.
Yes, you said you could not even identify her...
The communication had to do with this idea of connection ...
As if it were a telepathy?
Yes... exactly.
You don't need to have...
No, no, no ...
any verbalization ... or to listen ...
Exactly ... and...in the groups ...
that were gathered there ...
that seemed to be ... in a class, or something like that ...
no one spoke.
Didn't you hear any sound?
No.
Not even in the communication with your grandmother?
No, no, no.
But I remember her voice.
Lucas, you spoke of a white platform, in a certain moment ...
some people with similar experiences say that ...
they were conducted to a certain place ...
you described it very well ... a lake, a kind of woods ...
but that there is a limit ...
which you should not exceed ...
Yes.
- Did you had this sensation ... there ... in that place? - Yes ... yes ... yes ...
- You too... - Yes.
The complete certainty that there was more.
Don't miss watching the next part of this interview, it's awesome.
Lucas even speaks of other forms of life.
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