welcome back the building tomorrow I'm here with the entire regular crew this
time Matthew will and Aaron and if you're like us you're probably just
kicking back from a veritable Thanksgiving feast you've stuffed your
face with all the well stuffing and turducken and tofurkey and sweet potato
casserole your gluttonous little stomaching desire and after a goodly
snooze or food coma we're going to have to think about the choices you're going
to make on the morrow for it is Black Friday the busiest shopping day of the
year or perhaps you're waiting for Cyber Monday
so as to avoid being sampled stapled stomp stomp trampled by just keep going
hoards of shoppers either way you need to buy something for these special
people in your life as well as your cousin Todd who is the worst but you'll
feel bad if he gets you a present again this year and you got him nothing like
last year when he well wherever I was yes we're finding gifts it is a staple
of the tech media at this time of year to put out a hot tech gadgets for the
nerds in your life list it's fun copy lots of clicks light reading we're
gonna do something slightly different here I'm building tomorrow rather than
giving you a literal list of gadgets we're going to proffer our suggestions
of the top technologies and innovations that if they become the hot new tech toy
of the season and were adopted on mass like you know a Tickle Me Elmo but for
protect oiz that would do the most to transform our lives for the better we're
gonna stick to North American tech and innovation because if we didn't well as
Erin pointed out we'd be air dropping smartphones smartphones over the
developing world they would just win handily like no competition smart phones
for everyone that's not very interesting for a competition so and we're also not
going to do an exact gadget or company necessarily we're thinking about the
underlying tech and we're gonna vote for the winners guys you can't vote for your
own vote for someone else's we can even if we want to be real fancy we can go
like Maine and do ranked choice voting in the spirit of last month so let's
kick things off with will what is your hot tech gadget so I'm gonna go with the
Fitbit and now a lot of you think of that as something you wear when you
gonna run to track how far you've run or how high your heart rate went while you
were doing it but it has a much more universal really health centric
potential applications so you wear a device that tracks your heart rate as
well as other biosigns over time and it allows you to create a fairly
comprehensive picture of how your body is behaving throughout the day day in
and day out and this can allow either you or your doctor perhaps to begin to
identify certain patterns that could then also potentially be aggregated with
other people's Fitbit data to see larger societal health patterns where are
people sleeping well what do people do before they sleep well versus when they
don't have a good night's sleep and you can provide for the fairly cheap
collection of very interesting health data through you know what is now kind
of got a boost the other year as a running killer app now they've been
trying to move into the SmartWatch and mobile payments market but long term you
know Fitbit itself as a goal sees the idea of building a service business
related to digital health as kind of the long term quest for the product as our
others in that space and firms more on the health side interested in making use
of this data are you worried about the privacy implications of this though that
this is I mean it is like dementia this is
very personal day yes I am kind of ignoring that ghosting over it for now
obviously another sort of running app that allowed people to compare their
runs called Strava earlier this year became a little bit notorious for
effectively outlining the perimeters of military bases around the world because
as soldiers would jog the fence in the morning they'd be comparing themselves
to others who might have been posted there in the past and all of this was
being posted on the global Strava runs map so you could see these little
glowing lines around facilities say in Syria that officially didn't exist now
yes there is obviously if you were to lose access or control over your
individualized that is non anonymized Fitbit data someone could know how
you're sleeping when you're active if you had sex that night just by looking
at your heart rate and other bio signs over time so there there is some concern
there but I think overall the benefits of being able to learn that about
yourself which is difficult otherwise and also very expensive people are sent
in for sleep studies or to go and wear a heart monitor over lunch for for a week
and these not only take folks out of the rest of their lives a lot of people
don't want to do that take the time to do that so they just don't get the
treatment they perhaps would otherwise and it simplifies all of this collection
I would think in theory can aggregate this right so you can strip out
identifying personal information and being like you're then being compared
against a faceless mass of data okay like you do with 23andme like yes in
theory of 23andme there's a there's a risk of privacy breach if that
information gets leaked about your genetic makeup but they strip out your
personal identifying information so that other people can be compared not against
you as an individual but against the aggregated profile and so I imagine the
same I need you can identify local trends
that way as well how much worse are people sleeping thanks to the new
highway bill next to their their development and you aren't then dealing
just with individual anecdotes from people in that community but you
can really look at how long they were sleeping for how long they were in REM
cycles across numerous individuals so in that space this is kind of natural
control groups as well yeah well so this is like a case of something that's
underutilized right now or in like lots of people have fitbit's but there it's
kind of like their glorified step counters yes the the infrastructure that
you would need for these sort of health facing or health centric applications
isn't there yet it's coming but obviously the wider Fitbit and
similar devices are adopted now the more market there will be for those sorts of
uses of that data down the road and if you buy all of your relatives a Fitbit
for Christmas then we can move incrementally towards that healthier
world nice all right I like it so our first entry here is the Fitbit maybe not
specifically but a Fitbit like device a health tracker for improving consumer
health our next entry is a little bit different so it's not a literal device
it's software rather than a device innovation
it's end-to-end encryption I have that right Feeny no one wants to get software
for Christmas no one wants to be told that they're overweight and slow for
Christmas so and unlike the previous nomination
this one actually takes privacy into account so if I could airdrop devices or
software to families in America it would be services that allow for people to
engage in end-to-end encrypted communication there are services out
there such as protonmail and Tudor Notah which are email services that allow
people to end-to-end encrypted their emails there are messaging services like
signal and wicker wire that I know all four of us use here at Cato
and the great thing about this is easy to use low-cost but with very with very
high benefits a lot of great benefits namely protection against surveillance
the the the sad state of affairs is that emails don't enjoy as much protection as
we would like thanks to legislation and Supreme Court
precedent so in the name of privacy and increased security and I would wish that
everyone around Thanksgiving tables and Christmas gatherings and everything in
between sign up for a low cost or even free and
to end encrypted service that's my nomination so you go into your you know
Graham grandma's email account set her up with uh with a VPN client or a tour
or something and here you go grandma here's your yeah it depends how much you
want to get into the weeds you know yeah do a whole lot of you could really go a
little crazy with services like this but in fact many listeners probably already
use this technology and don't know it if they use whatsapp Facebook Messenger
iMessage right but I think it's worth people you know getting out there to see
the other cool services that are out there so that would be my my holiday
wish that's pretty good any anyone care to piggyback on back on
top of that I mean it's it wills so wills has the the effects there's all
these health effects that in the aggregate and if everyone's using this
stuff but for the the consumer for the person who gets the Fitbit aside from if
it tells them that they're wildly out of shape and just makes them depressed but
that you get that it's kind of it's a it's a neat little thing for the person
to have is that the case with the and and encrypted like so are you basically
saying grandma I'm gonna switch you from Gmail to protonmail and the there's no
real benefit to you in terms of like the day-to-day use like but but it means
that you're more secure does this make sense that you'd like what
the kind of consumer hook that makes the consumer want to use this stuff outside
of we in this room are all paranoid libertarians I don't want the government
snooping no well I don't think that privacy and security is something that
only paranoid libertarians need or desire and it's true that it's not as
easy to to show off in a coffee shop that you have you have to probably open
up your your smartphone and show the the the app and some people might think
isn't that just you know that not that much different from Gmail right also
signal with stickers like you have all over the back of your laptop yeah I like
I like stickers on my laptop uh well then they make sure to really work you
over at security right I don't know I've been rather happy with how I've been
treated by the federal government's Airport security personnel makes you
come off as trustworthy I don't usually talk during lists but yes I I get what
you're saying it's not a new product in the way that a Fitbit is you can't hold
it in your hand an orb of encryption right you can't do that but I think this
having point is enough to get people interested of course if you go to
Grandma and say hey here's a free two - no - or protonmail account and they say
oh why do I need that I guess it's a good excuse to talk about the sad state
of affairs when it comes to the privacy in the United States but yeah it's not
something you can flash around that's for sure
do you see any physical products designed to offer those sorts of
services like either a router you can buy that attempts to encrypt everything
that runs through it or even I don't know I'm imagining some kind of 5g
hotspot you can wear as a necklace that you know then your phone connects to
that and yeah that's a good question I mean make it sexier in a way I could
have an orb of encryption maybe it would also put you on a few more radars I
suppose if there was you know no one can look at my iPhone and see that I have
certain apps or services right and I'm pretty happy with that state of affairs
I have to say I mean to some extent though they mentioned the iPhone that
that is exactly what you're I mean this is a device and this is this
is the case for other amazing Android phones do this now to that the whole
device itself everything on it is encrypted and doesn't decrypt until you
enter in your passcode and and the default messaging service that it comes
with iMessage which i think is one of if you consider messaging services like as
social networks it's one of the largest social networks in terms of like daily
traffic in the u.s. well I think an added benefit to at least my my present
proposal is that it prompts excuses for interesting conversations then I don't
want to you know that ash Google necessarily right now so Google produces
products that a lot of people like and are really good and easy to use but I
think if you actually introduced every adult in America to the kind of
interesting companies and services that are out there we would just live in a
more interesting world with people actually having more urgent
conversations about security and privacy here's maybe a selling point to get the
you know the security skeptical the folks weren't paranoid enough like good
rational folks like us you can hook them on the idea of ISP switching right so
you can say hey look do you like the shows that you see on
Netflix or on Amazon Prime or on any of these other services well did you know
that if you just use a VPN client or an ISP switchin client you can access a
whole new world of content on other national Netflix's other shows you can
watch football games for free you can watch right so all of which is is legal
it's not illegal to mask your ISP basically what your computer identifies
itself as so not only are you giving them security they're using a client
that obscures who they are and what they're doing on the Internet you're
also giving them access to do stuff stuff that ordinary consumers like and
loot something I will add not that I think I need to because I think I'm
probably getting more votes in Fitbit at this point but well we'll see we'll see
I find and this is totally anecdotal that there's this frustrating degree
of reluctance to do anything about the state of surveillance you know the the
Snowden revelations come out and everyone sort of rolls their eyes and I
think well what am I supposed to do about that you know if the I can't give
up email and I'm not gonna stop using the internet on my phone and I'm not
going to stop going outside so what should I do about this and actually I
think not enough people know that there are really cheap low cost low barrier to
entry ways of protecting themselves but very few comparatively few people do it
and I think that's a shame decoder ring cost about three dollars and you can get
pigeons for free anywhere right well you were only allowed to have one nomination
well and rings and pigeons as well well into your point I mean it's actually
gone pretty mainstream the idea that you shouldn't just leave your laptop camera
oh yeah unexposed I mean it's now become ordinary for folks to tape over it now
manufacturers are building in a little slot like yeah physical manual slides so
something that five years ago people people did respond to with like what's
wrong with you paranoid paranoid ex like yeah you're worried about that it's that
stuff can become accepted and even expected and you know and encryption is
one of those things that you can see it's in the near future people are just
gonna demand it as a matter of course hope so yeah well there's a natural
segue I think here between what Matthews proposing with end-to-end encryption and
Aaron your idea so pitch us your gift of the season sure so this does pick up
kind of with the end an encryption and expands upon it a fair amount which is
the decentralized web and so my if the products that I pick is decentralized
web browsers slash clients so there's there's a number of them out there
there's the status dot I am is one I think coinbase has coinbase wallet I
believe it's called that is another that used to be called tashi was the the
product that I think they bought but there's there's a handful of these
things and basically what they are is a crypto wallet usually an aetherium
wallet they can hold aetherium tokens of various
a-and and encrypted messaging platform that's sometimes built on their open
protocols that are kind of part of the associated with theory I'm that it gets
built on and then the ability to connect to where called decentralized Web Apps
which are basically like regular web pages but the the data your data as
you're browsing them as you're using them as you log into them is controlled
by you so you're not really that they're kind of spread out more than and and
they're the way that they're run is different so that they're harder to shut
down there isn't you know a centralized server that someone could go and like
turn off all of Facebook because it's it's living across different things so
you get you get the effects that Matthew is talking about I mean you could not
it's not email it's it's instant messaging but you could certainly you
could build a decentralized email platform of a sword into this thing and
have access to it and these are usually mobile apps but there's desktop versions
as well but you also are getting the the the crypto thing so you can do things
like you know basically the status has what amounts to venmo like a venmo
client but you're sending each other a theorem tokens or other kinds of tokens
instead and you can be browsing what looks like you know the regular web but
is in this kind of decentralized more private more robust set up that you know
is is less accessible to like government snooping government shutting down and so
on will roll his eyes when I when I mentioned this I was just gonna ask
whether Mastodon would it just does that meet your high bar for what specialized
services it's an attempt to decentralize Twitter so anyone can create their own
Mastodon server and Ronna Mastodon instance which is like it's basically
it's basically kind of email reskin to be Twitter so your servers would be like
having an email server but then they can the servers can talk to each other so
you can you know your your tweets on get sent out to the other people who are
following you and so you can switch servers and different servers can have
different rules about you know this is the kind of content Ram moderator will
allow or you know this is the advertiser we're gonna show or not yeah I mean the
the difference with these these d apps is that they have they have the the
wallet address is part of it that you have you kind of have an identity that
you can carry between them that's based on your the keys in your wallet and tied
to payments um it can be tied to payments um because it's the same wallet
address that is the wallet address for payments but so there's they're slightly
technical there's technical differences on the backend but if from the consumer
standpoint these are similar sorts of things and I picked this one so in part
because the the conceit of this episode was if if this was what was given to
everyone what would you you know like so I think you kind of are waving your
magic wand and suddenly everyone in the u.s. is using this thing and right now
these products I fully confess kind of suck like there's you know the as as
instant messengers they're a little bit slow compared to other - you know
facebook Messenger whatever they don't have as many features the apps are a
little bit feel more in development a lot of them are still in beta status no
one else is on them it's hard to tell now your friends on these things when
they're all still on Facebook sure so so but all of those are issues that get
overcome by C by the conceit which is if everyone's using it then all of your
friends are on it and just like with the web the the really original web you know
once lots and lots of people started using it we started seeing really rapid
development in the space and so this is so if I can make everyone in the u.s.
kind of start using this thing it kick-starts that development but I think
as far as the benefits of this again kind of picking up from Matthews is this
allows us if we did this then kind of by default all or most of us would be
having the majority of our digital communications in an encrypted space we
would be doing it in a way we interacting with the web in a way that
where we own our data have control over our data and it's again less accessible
to surveillance and all of this would be plugged into an economic system that
would allow us to have economic relationships with each other whether
that's paying your part of rent or you know paying at the restaurant or sending
reimbursing your friend for something or buying products online that's happening
in this privacy respecting decentralized fashion that's outside of the reach of
governments and so in in kind of one little app it allows us to take an
extraordinary portion of our digitally mediated lives and just move it out of
the political sphere move it out of the State sphere and move it into a place
that I think is much more Liberty respecting I wonder if the participation
in all of this is a selling point so I guess the conceit of the episode is we
just assume everyone grabs it but it reminds me a little bit of the the Tor
network that the more people that participate in this the better it
becomes and you don't have to be a computer scientist to contribute to
these interesting systems necessarily you can just be be a part of it and know
that you're contributing and some of the more exciting applications of the stuff
I think Aaron is talking about are anti censorship applications which would be
pretty cool especially when you consider governments like the Chinese and I are
pretty keen on censorship so this sort of decentralized nature of it I think is
a big selling point you can tell people that they actually taking part in a
really integrate social good without having to you know have to quit that job
or to donate a huge amount of money they can in virtue of being just part of the
network that could be a contributor I mean it's not an unalloyed good I guess
given what we expect to go on what happens in the I don't know that the
tour comment you know there you can use tour and then you can help to cover for
government spies and if you're a good patriotic person
maybe you really enjoy that but if you're skeptical as to how the u.s.
behaves around the world well look angels and demons are going to use every
new piece of technology and there are there a cost to our privacy and our
security with all different kinds of technology I'm certainly willing to put
that in the cost column but we shouldn't forget the the huge number of benefits -
I would also say that I mean with the exception of Fitbit the these are tech
that the demons are already using like so we're not you know this isn't tech
that we've kind of made up out of whole cloth it's already out there you can you
can download you can use tor right now if you want to you can run protonmail if
you want to you can download the status client and run it on your phone right
now if you want to and so people people who have a strong
incentive to be using this stuff because they're up to no good are already using
it so simply asking lots and lots of more people to use it means that you're
just you're likely to be bringing in a whole bunch of people who aren't going
to be using it for no good yeah that's a good point
well this also reminds me of something else I think we have the difference here
between the concrete and the my own example will be concrete as well the
Fitbit or the smart diapers I'll be talking about or and then encryption and
decentralized internet that which is more abstract I mean it's it's and also
it only works because of our conceit because if it comes to small scale
innovation you need to give consumers a reason to buy I mean they're more likely
to say I want to buy this thing because in isolation if I have it my life is
better versus I'm gonna buy this hoping a million other people buy it and then
we'll all benefit with scale right so the conceit of the episode is necessary
for this to happen but it makes you wonder with the original internet right
so how do you go from only essentially government and researchers you know
academic researchers and the government using the early stages of the Internet
to mass adoption I mean cuz we had the goat we had the bridge that abstract
divide at one point 20 30 years ago right and but then again there was kind
of a killer app in the sense of but remember what you circulated if you
wanted to get your gramma surfing online what did you
that AOL disk yes exactly you deluge them with like free internet
time the little disks AOL online I think that's the first time I've heard anyone
say anything good about that decade yes it's all gonna be counterintuitive here
but there was something good about which was that it was an entry point for folks
who weren't they weren't they were not they're not thinking about can I build
this thing called the web 1.0 that will benefit all of society through rapid
innovation and joining us together know they're thinking oh if I get this
physical CD in low that my computer and click on this stuff I can like chat with
me they advertise to that I mean looking at early internet advertising can be
fascinating because they really are selling not just their service but the
idea of the Internet as a product the old what was it etrade or there's a
video of Bill Clinton when he's in it it's right at the end of his second term
lame duck and Hillary leaves him to go campaign and he's bombing around the
White House and he has an intern teaching him how to use the Internet and
they're mimicking a popular internet commercial of the time we can put that
up in there yeah Sean asked it's a fun one looking how this thing was sold as
long as the intern wasn't Monica Lewinsky no I was a dude it was all fine
but I mean again there you have the illustration right like there has to be
a entry point into this abstract thing and so but what some of the things
you're mentioning Aaron like the ability to have a crypto wallet that is easy to
use easy to exchange in the way that can't be tracked by whoever by you know
ad companies by corporations by the government what you're spending money on
online that's an entry by people get why that might that could have value so I
think that's a that's a key way of thinking about that well won't we return
to something a bit more grounded it my my killer product for this holiday
season is something that I think all parents will appreciate or people have
had kids in the past you know most kids that you know you don't
lump of coal in your stocking and Christmas but all I want for Christmas
is to avoid a lump of something else in my kids diapers how long did he spend
writing that it was that important to me they get that out okay
so Aaron will get this as some of the most kids I get this someone as a kid
being a parent is both incredibly amazing and the worst at the same time
and the worst part about being a parent at least for the first couple of years
is changing diapers right like that's it I thought it was the sleep deprivation
all right well there it's like maybe a clothes changing diapers while
sleep-deprived is certainly that's poor combination yeah that's not great
combination either when you like your soda sleep-deprived you drop the diaper
that you just changed and yeah kids produce an astonished astonishingly
amount of incredibly disgusting substances and that's like you that's
what you're dealing with me change diapers and you know when you change
them anyone who's changed diaper knows here's the process for for you guys who
don't have kids it's you've been an hour - since the
last diaper change you start getting suspicious it's time
for another you know you yet you think you see an abnormal bulge in the in the
in the pants of your kid is it though just a little urine that can be ignored
safely for an hour or two or is it you know did they drop some poo and you have
to change it or else it's gonna just create a massive mess you have to check
so you start with the sniff test you just stick your nose there and take a
good old whiff and that's the first diagnosis test and if that fails you
have to you you go spelunking you try to check in the back of the diaper to see
if you see something right like it is unpleasant this is a deeply unpleasant
thing but you have to do it or else your kid will get rashes your kid will create
messes it's just part of parenting so my killer innovation for this holiday
season it's actually from a new outfit called 'verily which is actually under
the Google alphabet umbrella company it's their life sciences division they
patented a smart diaper that will be able to distinguish between urine
and poop it'll measure conductivity impedance temperature in the fibers of
the diaper itself to detect the presence of liquids and solids so all the diapers
would come with that sensing fiber built-in and then you'd have like a
detachable relay that would send the information to an app on your smartphone
so you change kids diaper you pop the little relay on and you will know like
real-time live updates has your kid gone what have they done do I need to change
them now and like the amount of mass and frustration unpleasant sniffing that you
have to do as a parent would go down dramatically if you just knew that
information like it sounds like a small thing compared to a new web or like
better health outcomes for you with your with your Fitbit or avoiding government
surveillance but when it comes to like the lived
experience of millions of parents in this country having that kind of
information makes your life quantifiably better on a day to day basis I think
you've given a great pitch but at this point only five people are still
listening anytime you can be protec and pronatal ism that that seems good to me
now how does this I hear Google involved in this what what kind of data do they
get from this is is there enough to change intersection yeah but I mean are
we getting like literally cradle to grave data collection now or they use
that to predict future behaviors about you you know how long did it take for
you to become potty-trained etc what does that say about impulse control and
on well I mean the less dystopian vision of that would be like hey we know how
many diapers you've changed so we know you're running out diapers it's time for
your automatic subscription to diapers on the Amazon to ship you a package you
could also imagine a use case where you say like as that
Tech gets more advanced it's not just detecting what did they do it's
detecting like information about well does your kid have stool samples right
yeah it's essentially doing stool sampling giving information that goes to
their doctor to your pediatrician who can monitor and like oh no they've had
you know they might have diarrhea and it's time for you to bring them in for
dehydration to check like this could actually improve health outcomes for
kids as well it's not just kids I was thinking too you know who else wears
lots of diapers it's the elderly folks in nursing homes and hospices who
especially if they're senile can't do this for themselves and there's a real
dignitary benefit I think as well to this knowledge being provided by the
diaper rather than an elder care provider having to look down the back of
a 75 year old man's drawers like that there's a dignitary harm in that no
one's really comfortable with it and it's unpleasant and and to receive it in
the form of more sanitized data I think could make the experience more pleasant
well and to there in that use case there's a sense that so so one of the
big there's lots of really bad health outcomes that apply to the elderly so
like well it's a baby if you don't change their diaper soon enough they get
a diaper rash which is unpleasant they're uncomfortable they scream and
holler and that makes your life miserable and so it's good if you can
mitigate that but with the elderly if you don't change them often enough they
get bed sores they like urinary tract infections it kills them I mean
oftentimes those are shocks the system that killed the other like the number of
times the elderly senile elderly folks in nursing homes died because they just
weren't changed off enough is higher than you'd think
so if this is tech that could save lives as well and provide better quality of
life - so that's my pitches I guess in the Fitbit kind of category of a more
literal device you're definitely gonna win now because everyone doesn't wanna
be anti old people and babies mine is still the best thing to receive in a box
under the tree we have instructions to download something or diapers it's the
quarter you can be you can make small fitbit's
for babies so will can get in on that yeah maybe we just put the Fitbit in the
diaper is the relay there you go yeah I'll take it
alright so off air we have written down our selections but we're gonna go around
and announce them live so Aaron let's start off with you I gotta give my vote
seeing as I can't vote for myself which mine is obviously the best if any of
yours were better than mine that's what I've chosen as mine but I'm gonna start
with Matthew well just because in in the my you know ranking of values the stick
it to the state and in surveillance software eating everyone else's
Christmas gifts you're buying a gift certificate to something so I'm gonna
pick my first vote it goes to Matthews and and encrypted
communications my second vote goes to Paul's diapers just simply because I
went through three children of my own and this sounds like it would have made
things marginally easier is it me now yes alright because I cannot vote for
myself but I also want to stick it to the state my first vote goes to Aaron's
web 2.0 I'm not a parent but I may be in the future and in the future I want
there to be as little mess as possible and I also don't want to come across as
anti old people or babies so my second vote goes to Paul alright
Wow first boat vote to Paul with smart diapers I hate Nate ilysm wins man this
election and more generally we found way of working puppies in there to diapers
for public yeah
you know we don't we just need kids not people getting dogs as kids and I think
secondly I'll go for errands D apps it it feels like it kind of includes a lot
of Matthew's proposal as well but it's more expansive and yeah okay all right
and I have web 2.0 errands for my first vote and then second for Fitbit five
they got I'm on the board Will's on the board and I think are big
it's all going to come down the tests I suspect here so this is our producer
test you have heard her voice maybe a time or two but way in tests give us the
all-important fifth vote okay well we're tied with web 2.0 and diapers so my
first vote is going to go to encryption thank you and my second vote our
tiebreaker though I'm not sure how this is going to promote the general welfare
and building a better future tomorrow I'm gonna go with diapers all right by a
hair I think diapers has it kind of though diapers only had one first-place
vote and three second-place votes and web 2.0 had two first-place votes in one
second so I think that gives it to me now on great choice it might yeah
if you give like two points for every first coin every first vote and then
only one point for a second phone yeah it does go to Aaron then win five points
versus four for diapers this is the kind of procedure we should have thought
through before recording you know what else we should probably mention in full
disclosure because now I'm bitter Aaron is Tessa's boss just want to make sure
the listeners notice the dirty pool here was good well thank you all for
listening to building tomorrow and now you have some ideas for what to put
under the tree and probably it's not going to be any of these any of these
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