ED SCHULTZ IS A WELL-KNOWN PROGRESSIVE TALK SHOW HOST, HE
HAD A RADIO SHOW AND WAS AN ANCHOR ON MSNBC FOR A LONG TIME.
I WOULD KNOW, I FILLED IN FOR ED ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, WE
WORKED TOGETHER AT MSNBC FOR SOME TIME.
ED WAS THERE TO BE
FAIR MUCH LONGER THAN I WAS, AND HE HAS LEFT MSNBC, NOW HE'S AT
R.T. AND HE GETS SOME CRITICISM FOR BEING THERE BECAUSE THEY SAY
IT'S OWNED BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT SO DOESN'T THAT MEAN
YOU'RE GETTING ORDERS FROM THEM?
WELL, HE WAS ON THE JAMIE
WEINSTEIN SHOW AND HE WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, AND IN SO DOING HE
REVEALED STUNNING FACTS, NOT JUST ABOUT MSNBC, BUT ALSO ABOUT
THEIR PARTICULAR DISDAIN FOR BERNIE SANDERS, AND HOW THEY
WOULDN'T COVER HIM.
BUT FIRST, LET'S HEAR OUT HIM ON HIS TIME AT MSNBC.
THERE WAS MORE OVERSIGHT, AND MORE DIRECTION, GIVEN TO ME ON
CONTENT AT MSNBC THAN THERE EVER HAS BEEN HERE AT R.T.
MANY TIMES
I WAS TOLD WHAT TO LEAD WITH ON MSNBC, MANY TIMES I WAS TOLD
WHAT I WAS NOT GOING TO DO, AND I'VE GOT A STORY THAT HAD I NOT
BEEN INVOLVED IN AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IT, AND PHIL
GRIFFIN, WHO I CONSIDER A FRIEND TO THIS DAY, WAS A WATCHDOG.
FAR
MORE THAN ANYTHING I AM EXPOSED TO HERE AT R.T.
AMERICA.
DID HE TELL YOU WHAT TO SAY, DID HE TELL YOU AN ANGLE TO
TAKE?
OFTEN.
NOW THAT IS A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEFT MSNBC AND
TOLD A VERY SIMILAR STORY, INCLUDING MYSELF.
NOW, ACTUALLY,
AND MY CASE, PHIL GRIFFIN GAVE ME GENERAL DIRECTIONS, THEY WERE
AWFULLY SPECIFIC IN TELLING YOU WHICH DIRECTION TO GO IN, WHERE
HE SAID THAT OUTSIDERS ARE COOL, THEY WEAR LEATHER JACKETS, THEY
RIDE MOTORCYCLES, BUT WE ARE INSIDERS, WE ARE MSNBC, WE ARE
THE ESTABLISHMENT AND YOU HAVE TO ACT LIKE IT.
BUT HE DIDN'T
GIVE ME DIRECTIONS ON SPECIFIC STORIES.
ED IS SAYING HE WOULD
OFTEN GIVE HIM DIRECTIONS ON SPECIFIC STORIES.
THAT IS MUCH
WORSE.
OF COURSE BOTH ED AND I, IN DIFFERENT WAYS, CHOSE NOT TO
STAY AT MSNBC BECAUSE OF THAT SITUATION.
AND SO IT'S A POINT I
MAKE OFTEN NOT JUST ABOUT MSNBC BUT ABOUT ALL OF CORPORATE
MEDIA.
YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT INFLUENCED?
THAT THERE IS NO
COLLUSION THERE?
WELL, OKAY.
I AGREE THAT AL JAZEERA IS OWNED
BY QATAR, OF COURSE IT IS, BBC IS OWNED BY THE BRITISH
GOVERNMENT, BY THE WAY, AND WHENEVER YOU MAKE THAT
COMPARISON PEOPLE GO NO, THAT'S WESTERN AND THEY ARE THE GOOD
GUYS AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE, AND I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING
SYSTEM AND I THINK THE BBC DOES WONDERFUL WORK, AND FROM TIME TO
TIME I THINK AL JAZEERA DOES WONDERFUL WORK, I ALSO THINK
THAT THEY ARE NOT GOOD TO COVER QATAR HONESTLY AND I GET THAT
THAT BIAS EXISTS, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SAME WITH
R.T., THERE HAVE BEEN GOOD FOLKS WHO WORK THERE AND REPORTED THAT
THEY DID NOT GET ANY COMMANDS FROM THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OR
OTHERWISE.
TO I TRUST R.T.'S COVERAGE OF RUSSIA?
NO, I DO
NOT.
THEY ARE OWNED BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
SO THAT
STUFF IS RELEVANT.
BUT DO YOU THINK THAT THE GIANT
CORPORATIONS THAT OWN THE MAJOR CABLE NEWS CHANNELS DON'T ALSO
INFLUENCE COVERAGE ON THOSE CHANNELS?
THAT THEY DON'T CARE
ABOUT THEIR PROFITS?
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LARGER PARENT
CORPORATION, AND MERGERS THAT NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE
GOVERNMENT?
NET NEUTRALITY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE
TO END, AND ALL THE OTHER BUSINESS THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF
THE GOVERNMENT THAT AFFECTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
IS IT THE
CONSPIRACY THEORY BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA THAT GIANT
CORPORATIONS, IF THEY HAVE A MEDIA ARM, ALL OF A SUDDEN DON'T
CARE ABOUT THE PROFIT MOTIVE?
THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO MAXIMIZE
PROFIT?
THAT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART THEY DO NOT
INFLUENCE THE PEOPLE ON AIR, AND THAT THEY DO NOT SELECT PEOPLE
ON AIR AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SUPPORT THE
STATUS QUO?
THAT'S THE CONSPIRACY THEORY, THAT
CORPORATIONS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEIR PROFITS?
THAT'S A
PREPOSTEROUS THEORY, AND IN PRACTICE I HAVE SEEN IT, ED
SCHULTZ HAS SEEN IT, PHIL DONAHUE HAS SEEN IT, AND SO MANY
OTHER HOSTS HAVE SEEN IN FACT THAT OF COURSE THEY CARE ABOUT
THEIR POLITICAL INTERESTS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THEIR BUSINESS
INTERESTS, AND IF YOU TOUCH THOSE YOU ARE IN A WORLD OF
TROUBLE.
BUT THIS STORY GETS MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE IN THE
CASE OF ED SCHULTZ APPARENTLY THEY TOLD HIM NOT TO COVER
BERNIE SANDERS IN SPECIFIC.
SO HERE'S A STUNNING STORY ABOUT THAT.
DID HE TELL YOU WHAT TO SAY, DID HE TELL YOU AN ANGLE TO
TAKE?
OFTEN.
IN FACT, WHEN BERNIE SANDERS WAS ANNOUNCING THAT HE
WAS GOING TO BE A CANDIDATE FOR THE NOMINATION OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY IN BURLINGTON, VERMONT, I WAS THE ONLY CABLE HOST BETWEEN
FOX, MSNBC, AND CNN, THAT WAS THERE LIVE TO COVER IT.
NOW,
THERE WERE LIVE CAMERAS THERE, BUT WE HAD COORDINATED WITH THE
SANDERS CAMPAIGN THAT AT 5 O'CLOCK HE WOULD MAKE THE
ANNOUNCEMENT AND WE WOULD COVER IT ON THE ED SHOW.
I GO TO
BERNIE'S HOUSE THAT AFTERNOON, THE GRANDKIDS ARE RUNNING
AROUND, IT'S A BIG DAY FOR THE SANDERS FAMILY, HE'S GOING TO
ANNOUNCE HE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, WE ARE GOING TO CARRY
IT LIVES THERE IN THE DAY AND RUN THIS ONE ON ONE TAPE WITH
BERNIE, FIVE MINUTES TO AIR I GET A PHONE CALL FROM PHIL
GRIFFIN, YOU ARE NOT COVERING THIS.
I SAID, PHIL, BERNIE
SANDERS IS ANNOUNCING HE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
I DON'T
CARE, YOU'RE NOT COVERING THIS.
AND IT GOT RATHER CONTENTIOUS.
WHY THOUGH?
NOW YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR OPINION, AND GIVING YOU FACT
RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
AND OTHER PEOPLE WILL ATTEST
THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, WE WERE TOLD WE HAD TO COVER
SOMETHING DOWN IN TEXAS THAT WAS TOTALLY MEANINGLESS, AND ANOTHER
PRESS CONFERENCE IN BALTIMORE WHICH ALREADY HAD BEEN IN THE
NEWS FOR A FEW DAYS.
WE ARE COVERING BERNIE SANDERS LIVE,
WE'RE COORDINATED WITH HIS CAMPAIGN, AND I'M TOLD FIVE
MINUTES BEFORE YOU ARE COVERING BERNIE SANDERS.
NOW, LET ME GIVE
THE OPINION.
I THINK THE CLINTONS WERE CONNECTED TO AND
THE LACK AT THE HIP, THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYONE IN THEIR PRIME TIME
OR THEIR LINEUP SUPPORTING BERNIE SANDERS, I THINK THEY
WERE IN THE TANK FOR HILLARY CLINTON, AND I THINK IT WAS
MANAGED, AND 45 DAYS LATER I WAS OUT AT MSNBC.
WOW.
SO I'VE TOLD YOU IN THE PAST ABOUT HOW THE MEDIA AND THE
CABLE NEWS CHANNELS IN SPECIFIC IN SOME WAYS RIGGED THE ELECTION
ON BEHALF OF HILLARY CLINTON, AND I DON'T MEAN IN TERMS OF A
SMOKE-FILLED ROOM AND THEY GOT TOGETHER AND PASSED AROUND
NOTES, BUT GIVEN ED'S STORY I MIGHT HAVE TO RETHINK THAT, BUT
NO, IN THE SENSE THAT THEY WOULD SAY HILLARY CLINTON ALREADY HAD
A GIGANTIC LEAD, A LEAD OF HUNDREDS OF DELEGATES -- WELL,
THOSE WERE THE SUPERDELEGATES AND THEY DON'T VOTE UNTIL THE
END OF THE PRIMARY SEASON.
AND THEY OFTEN CHANGE THEIR VOTE.
THEY DID WHEN OBAMA AND HILLARY WERE RUNNING THE LAST TIME IN A
CONTENTIOUS DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, A LOT OF THE SUPERDELEGATES
CHANGED THEIR VOTE.
SO COUNTING THEM AHEAD OF TIME WAS AT BEST
JOURNALISTIC MALPRACTICE.
CNN DID IT, FOX NEWS DID IT COME
MSNBC DID IT.
BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT WAS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG,
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE NOT COVERING BERNIE SANDERS AT ALL
AND USUALLY WHAT THEY SAY IS NO, WE DIDN'T THINK HE HAD A CHANCE
TO WIN.
HE CLOSED A 60 POINT LEAD, THAT WAS HISTORIC, THAT
WAS UNBELIEVABLE, AND 2015.
AND THEY STILL WOULDN'T COVER HIM.
AND NOW WE FIND OUT FROM ED THAT IN FACT, NO, THEY ACTIVELY WERE
TOLD NOT TO COVER BERNIE SANDERS.
I HAD ANOTHER ON-AIR
TALENT AT MSNBC TELL ME OFF THE RECORD THAT IF THEY EVER
CRITICIZED HILLARY CLINTON THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY GET A CALL
FROM MANAGEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BUT MIKA BRZEZINSKI
ON AIR SAID THAT IF SHE EVER SAID THAT HILLARY CLINTON WASN'T
NECESSARILY GOING TO WIN, THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WOULD CALL
MSNBC AND THEN MSNBC WOULD TALK TO THEIR HOSTS.
SO IF THAT'S NOT
IN THE TANK FOR HILLARY CLINTON I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.
SO YES,
MSNBC, THE SO-CALLED PROGRESSIVE CHANNEL, RIGGED THE ELECTIONS IN
SOME WAYS, IN THE WAYS THAT THEY COULD COME AGAINST THE
PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE.
ED'S NOT DONE YET, ONE LAST CLICK HERE.
WHEN YOU SEE HOW THE CAMPAIGN UNFOLDED, DONNA BRAZILE FEEDING
HILLARY CLINTON QUESTIONS AT THE CAMPAIGN, THE DNC UNDERCUTTING
BERNIE SANDERS, THE SUPERDELEGATES THAT WERE
ORGANIZED BY HILLARY CLINTON, I MEAN, IN MY STATE OF MINNESOTA
WHERE I'M A RESIDENT AND PAY TAXES AL FRANKEN AND AMY
KLOBUCHAR WERE SUPERDELEGATES AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT BERNIE
SANDERS WON MINNESOTA THEY SUPPORTED CLINTON.
THE FIX WAS
IN, THE FIX WAS IN WITH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, WITH MANAGING
THE NEWS AND SHUTTING DOWN BERNIE SANDERS, AND IT WASN'T
UNTIL HE STARTED MATCHING THE CLINTONS IN RAISING MONEY THAT
IT BECAME, WELL, WE HAVE TO COVER THIS GUY.
BUT FROM THE
START THE CLINTONS DIDN'T WANT COMPETITION, THEY DIDN'T WANT
BERNIE SANDERS AROUND, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE KEYSTONE XL
PIPELINE, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH HER ON THAT ISSUE, THEY
DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH HER UNFREE EDUCATION FOR ALL, AND THEY
CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH HER ON THE TPP, AND ALSO
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.
THOSE WERE FOUR MAIN ISSUES THAT BERNIE
SANDERS, HAD HE NOT BEEN IN THE CAMPAIGN, HILLARY CLINTON NEVER
WOULD HAVE HAD TO ADDRESS.
SO I THINK THE FIX WAS IN EARLY ON TO
DEEP SIX BERNIE, TO THIS DAY A KIND OF PISSES ME OFF.
IT PISSES A LOT OF US OFF.
SO WHO AFFECTED THE ELECTION MORE,
THE RUSSIANS, OR CABLE NEWS?
IS THAT AN OPEN QUESTION?
I THINK
THE RUSSIANS DID INTERFERE, I SAID THAT ABOUT A THOUSAND
TIMES, BUT WHAT DID THEY HAVE, ABOUT 40 PINTEREST ACCOUNTS?
A
COUPLE MILLION TWITTER IMPRESSIONS?
LOOK, ANY HOST ON
AIR GETS A COUPLE MILLION TWITTER IMPRESSIONS IN AN
AFTERNOON.
THAT'S TINY COMPARED TO THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
MEDIA COVERAGE.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY ALL HEARD THE
STATISTIC THAT DONALD TRUMP GOT $2 BILLION IN FREE MEDIA
COVERAGE, AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION.
YOU
REMEMBER ALL THE EMPTY PODIUMS CNN WOULD SHOW?
WELL, FOX NEWS
DID IT, CNN DID IT, MSNBC DID IT, AND THEY GAVE A TON OF FREE
COVERAGE TO BOTH DONALD TRUMP AND HILLARY CLINTON.
BUT IT
TURNS OUT THEY ALSO ACTIVELY BLOCK THE COVERAGE OF BERNIE
SANDERS.
THAT'S NOT PLAYING AROUND THE EDGES, THAT'S NOT A
COUPLE TWITTER IMPRESSIONS OR A PINTEREST ACCOUNT, THAT'S
GIGANTIC.
THAT'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
SO WHO AFFECTED THE
ELECTION MORE, IT'S NOT CLOSE.
SO AND SHUTTING OUT BERNIE
SANDERS, WHO BY THE WAY ACCORDING TO EVERY POLL HAD A
BETTER CHANCE OF BEATING DONALD TRUMP AND HILLARY CLINTON, PHIL
GRIFFIN, JEFF ZUCKER, THE EXECUTIVES AT FOX NEWS, THEY ALL
AFFECTED THE SELECTION HELPS TO GET DONALD TRUMP ELECTED, AND
MADE SURE THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE WOULDN'T WIN.
THAT'S
WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THAT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT
TO OUR DEMOCRACY THAN WHAT THE RUSSIANS DID.
THEY ARE BOTH
IMPORTANT, AND I BELIEVE MUELLER SHOULD CONTINUE HIS
INVESTIGATION, BUT IS ANYONE EVER GOING TO INVESTIGATE THE
OUTSIZED INFLUENCE AND THE COLLUSION OF CABLE NEWS TO
SUPPORT RIGHT-WING CANDIDATES AND TO ALWAYS BE AGAINST
PROGRESSIVES?
NO.
WHAT YOU WILL GET INSTEAD IS OVERWHELMING
SILENCE, JUST LIKE THEY DID TO BERNIE SANDERS.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT
IN THEIR CORPORATE INTERESTS.
YOUNG TURKS.
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