Bob Carr Australia's Ex-Foreign Minister a longest serving premier here New South
Wales Australia shares with us what it takes to get over the fear of failure
it's awesome to hear this from a politician actually someone who's been
as successful as Bob he opens up and he also lets us know what's the one thing
that he wishes he'd spend more time on which of course he's doing a lot to get
better at right now and I have a lot of fun in terms of coaching Bob in this
particular area hey welcome to the leadership show welcome to happiness
platform I'm Roh Singh. Bob Welcome to the happiness platform welcome to the
leadership show it's a great cause happy to talk to you thank you thanks for
having us in your office I hope you read all these books. I can't say that I have. I was very impressed. Bob you've served our
our nation for a long time you've served our state for a long time today I wanted to
talk to you about you know what makes a good leader particularly one who is
orientated towards service has dedicated his entire life to this particular cause
such as you have so maybe if we can start off there is that okay
sure well one idea I'd like to give you and and hold up to the light is the
notion of life is a learning experience because I think leaders ought to see what a
CV in life as being a trajectory of learning I could go on about it a great
length but just think of one thing but the challenge any any leader has of
walking into a room of strangers and becoming interested in other people it's
not hard if you think to yourself when you go into that room but from each
person here I'm capable of learning a great fact a great truth
and if you take that approach you're interested in people you're motivated to
Winkle out of them but their lifetime experience has been what they have
boiled it down to but to get to that point you need to say I want to learn I
want to learn life is a learning experience I think if you take that
if you are interested in learning learning of course life is interesting life is interesting
I think people who are demoralized by life were defeated by life are people who
are not passionate about learning new things by my age I'm just getting a
little bit sad that I'm not gonna have time to learn everything I want so it's
a really really prudent point it's a point that we're we encourage a fair bit
and hence the work that we do which is try and get such wisdom from people
like yourself and share with everybody right so when you are serving the nation
and also when you're serving your state there's some major major changes that
you put forward what motivated you to keep going because you know you're a
dirty you know we're in a dirty business where people are always you know having
a go at you guys for doing something right which may not fit in with what
they think is the most important thing how do you stay on top and focused in
terms of hey you know what the vision is for the state or the country and then
you you know you go about in making sure whatever plans you put in place gets
executed fear of failure that's a very creative thing and you render that a
positive emotion I remember once when I was oppositional leader I was way behind in
all the polls the conventional wisdom was that Carr will never be premier
he might be if they were generous they might say you'll be the he was the best Premier
we never had right and I thought I got all the polls against me and the experts
united in saying that I can't win I don't want to fail because that'll be to
disappoint the people around me and like everyone else I want to I want a
bit of honour from my time as a public figure
therefore therefore knowing I'm behind knowing that I'm being written off I'm
just going to make make every moment of the day count I wanted I wanted to be
said should I be defeated in the forthcoming election I will want it to
be said he couldn't have done more he led us he led the party as well as
anyone could have he made every post a winner in the end he didn't get over the
line but what a race he ran wow that's beautiful what Bob I'm
really really curious in terms of what formed that type of a character in you
you know I know I know you mentioned about learning always you know letting
life be a learning experience and continuous learning so that you're
continuously interested in what's going on and you're in the present right what
what shaped Bob to be that particular way to have that insight rather than
buckle to to fear buckle to anxieties and restlessness etc yeah I think I
think just the wisdom to accept look I'm in a hell of a position I've been dealt
a bad set of cards but I'm going to make the best of it so that people will say
he couldn't have done more he fought like like a warrior that's all the
motivation you need on behalf of your cause give them as good as you can
there's a great lesson in politics and I want to share it with you I think and we
ought to deal with that the fact of failure every election has a winner and a
loser
and sometimes the cycle in politics but in life in life in business and other
other Affairs just won't suit you it's not your time the goddess Fortuna hasn't
smiled on you because she's been distracted by someone else
it's their turn not yours I think if you don't achieve your goal make a virtue
out of not being bitter I didn't win the prize but not for a moment am i bitter
about it and if you do win if you do win aspire to be kind about the victory
I did win instead of being arrogant or smug complacent or lazy about that
win I'm going to distinguish himself with kindness no business in defeat and
in victory kindness don't forget Doctor Evsky your big lesson
from Dr Evsky in a book a novel of his The Brothers Karamazov it deals with
big questions of religion he has someone tell a story about a woman and he's very
religious easily a fierce Christian and he sometimes forces his faith
on his readers he told a story about an old woman who distinguished
herself with one kind deed she gave an onion to a begger one Dr Evsky
has this story told a story within his novel of how that good deed
according to her a monk or a priest that single good deed meager as it was was
enough for her to achieve everlasting life
yeah some of your wise Swami friends wise men of India no doubt make the point with a
similar tale but I think I think at a certain stage
in life it could be nice if we can list the kind things we did
I'm sure if anyone goes through my life they would find a lot on the other side of the
ledger but I'd like to think there are some there's some magnanimous things I
did but not to my credit I'm sure there's plenty Bob you're absolutely
right right when I spend my time with the Swamis and the wisdom that they put
forward and they try and live by it's a really interesting one and I think it'll
serve politics really well which is one of the notion of when we do give be it
that onion be it to the right person at the right time then it makes sense if we
give when someone doesn't need it or with the wrong motivation then it's
really a useless deed right so I'd be interested as you read a bit more about
that it'll be it'll be cool so Bob Mattraville that's where all started for you
the Ducks did you know back then that this is what you wanted to do I know
it's at 15 at 15 I became resolved to be a career politician because the best of
motivations but also to make a name for myself but I mean I could've
become fanatical about a career in journalism or different gifts a career
on the sporting field some youngsters pick up a motivation at a young age
others others sift and evaluate and filter options but it was funny at 15 I
simply resolved that I would be I had done a bit of reading and I had heard my father talk about politics but I
I wanted to be an elected politician and what have you there would have been
challenges at times are there any times where you've gone I don't know if I want
to do this I don't know did any of those challenges ever come up well one bit of
wisdom is I think you gotta be loyal to the nightmare of your choice yeah
if you said at an early age this is it and it seems to be more thinning and
sincere choice give it a good run at least until you get it out of your system and
then if you're frustrated if you look and there is a setback and you won't get there
accept that and again without bitterness without bitterness and pick up something
else and give that your best but when I had setbacks it was only an invitation
to greater if it because I did think I did think my the true expression of
whatever talent or good instincts or ambition I had was to be an elected
politician it's wonderful there's also another you keep reminding me of all these
lessons that I've come forward from the you know the wisdom of the Vedas which
is very very clear in terms of you best do your own duty and put 100% into it
doesn't matter if you fail then to do another person's work and be so
successful at it so I guess this is where it comes back to that insight that
I'd like to serve as a politician be an elected politician and sticking to it
doesn't matter whether you know what the poll said etc that's probably what
drives that ability to keep going with the process of being there and doing the
best right I mean that's that's become very very clear to me a little bit later
in life as you know you get a bit older I wish those the kind of wisdom I had
endlessly I think replay our lives and think if only then I knew what I know
now but one of the beautiful things about life is making mistakes you make a
mistake and you then know being human you make the same mistake again but then
then having made it twice or maybe three times the hard wiring for hardwiring and
you learn from the mistake yes that's being human being able to slap
yourself on the forward and say how could I be so
stupid how can I be so insensitive as to do that why on earth did I allow anger
or weariness to do something as stupid as that that's the moment when up here
you're being hardwired against doing it again so it'd be beautiful to rerun our
lives with all those lessons but we only make different mistakes yes you one who
public about your focus and keeping healthy keeping fit physically and from
you know just just speaking with you I can see that you do a fair bit as far as
making sure mentally you're a student and find an operating well how much if
it goes into that it said it's a dedicated time which you put aside
rather than thinking hey I'm gonna be okay or look after your health when
something goes wrong what do you what does it look like as far as you're
concerned and how much effort and how dedicated you are to it well let's talk
about something I'm not successful at I mean I think it's more useful and that's
meditation I've I must find time to learn to meditate properly and I'm in a
phase now where I've got someone teaching the meditation technique and
I've probably got a bit more space in my life to do it but one of many regrets
I've got one of many things I'd do differently is my approach to meditation
I think if there's an investment I could have made that would have made me more
effective and a better person it would have been meditation you know I do find
it the hardest discipline it's not how hard discipline to get out to get out of
bed in as premier The Vow the news and get on the telephone it's not not hard
to get out of bed and and go off and do the day's exercise I like that so it's
not hard settle down with that I I know will improve my mind what
is heart what is heart what is colossal II unimaginably odd is to sit down and
do nothing it is it's a it's a space that has taken me a long time to get
good at okay I was very very bad at it for a long time because I was somebody
who could always enjoyed solving five or six problems and having five or six
conversations at the same time Richter and it becomes addictive and when you
get out of bed you just want to get on and do something and unless you're doing
something you don't feel you're being productive the idea of meditation is
you're probably already finding out is more so to be able to accept those
thoughts that are coming in rather than to quieting the mind yes and then to be
able to say okay I see you there let me park that for a moment alright I'm gonna
come back to it it's really important you're gonna come back to come to me
again and then bringing the focus point back
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challenge it's well what we will talk about that's hard is learning a language
its extruded meat as well yeah it's very difficult under it there's a lot of
people around us who are trying to learn any of these difficult the reason I ask
is because it's a process right the process of getting to that quiet space
and then dropping their little mantras yeah okay is reduce the critical
component dropping the lentils into your into your brain is just like even the
way you say all is three cook a um right so a is for our conscious state that the
U is for our subconscious okay the M is for our unconscious and the word um
takes us to our fourth state of consciousness which is the connection
with yourself right so when you do it I'll demonstrate it for ya I think is I
love it when someone talks about the especially you know someone I admire
what that does for me the vibrations from your stomach your chest your throat
your mind it automatically puts the brain in a different the mind into a
very serene place okay and then from that we're going to the state of and the
medical the scientific verification that's coming out now about rejuvenating
ourselves etc this is amazing I'm aware of that
I'm aware that it's the it's the technique there's the challenge but
we're still good we stick hurt it's the mind is extremely restless right whether
you like it or not it's designed there's an old bug would get there saying the
minds designed to be our worst enemy we're best friend automatically will
take us towards our worst enemy okay and the only way to make it our best friends
to regulate it and once you're regulated then you can sit above it and see what's
going on in this field which is likely so I'm glad your honor I'd love to him
and see how that goes for you I've been very fortunate that some really
enlightened folks have taken me down that process and he was actually
concentrated effort or 15 days that it finally hit me and I was able to get to
that state within a few breaths so it'll count yeah it'll come when the
timing is right it'll come well if you're gonna ask you about your favorite
most memorable moments in serving the state I mean perhaps we could talk about
some of the stuff that you did overseas etc and how you know what what did you
enjoy about that if you can talk about that well the the things I'm most proud
of or the very unglamorous things as premier your role as premier is to tend
to the state's laws we faced a crisis and the cost of insurance
it involves something called tort law reform is very hard there's a lot of
opposition but it was the right path and I won the battle to get four big pieces
of legislation through second I'm very proud of the conservation achievements
under the pressure of events we recast reclassed environment policy and it made
it possible to create 350 new national parks to save great old forest systems
it's a great bit of policy with
so what about the the international stuff you didn't do that for as long as
you did the state what took you down that path what what
made you say hey listen I can you know serve my country here or what was the
motivation she was about it's about how Australia relates to other nations about
casting Australia's international personality and it was not a to do that
job in the 18 months I had it I emphasized relations with Southeast Asia
tended to the big work on China policy but didn't took my time about it quite
deliberately I made that a deliberate process and tended to the relationship
with the US and tried to get some balance about policy on israel-palestine
I could waste my time thinking about what I might have done if I'd had five
years in the job but circumstances gave me 18 months yeah I want to ask you
something that I'm quite I think about quite a bit right which is around
service and the people if you had the opportunity and I'm sure these guys come
to you and off and ask this question if they don't maybe they should the people
that are in power today and asked you what makes a good public leader what
makes a good politician what would you advise them
well I think there are many ingredients remember what I said earlier that life
is a learning experience a politician who sets out to learn it's probably got
the right frame of mind to do relevant
but I can unless a politician can put the case well the oh she's dead we'll
lose the case so my advice would be put time put time into
your debating skills or speaking skills comprehension because if you're a party
leader you the advocates you're the person in the courtroom just as a Mikey
barest or has got the job for getting his client client offered an unfair
conviction saving saving his or her life a lot risks on your capacity to sell a
case like I'm disappointed when so many politicians so many politicians are lazy
about that task if you can't sell your case you'll lose your case that's great
advice and if you're not confident about your debating school what are you going
to do when you face a challenge you gotta think I won't take that up because
I won't succeed in persuading people to join me I won't take up promoting that
reform because I doubt my ability to sell him now that's letting the side
down whatever the side is so I think I think a politician who is confident
confident about his or her cat passing in to silicate but tenacity tenacity
stick with it I see a lot of them come in and go these days but to stick with
it what what does it take what are the virtues that you'd aspire to and taking
your lawyer I'd like to leave my party for seven years in opposition and it was
very hard going seven years in opposition that's a long time and you're
up and down in the polls your ties are Abraham's seed you'll get
there not very many occasions I go say for most of the time people are writing
you off so that let's have swamp but if you're looking back to yourself I
don't normally ask this question okay but I'm trying to get go down a path
here which is I don't understand the virtues that you respect there's a lot
of people young guys that look up and go okay this guy really served the country
well you know serve the state world etc what would you what would you advise and
as far as these young guys coming through at the moment say they've gone
and they've did their studies they're getting into work you gave a really nice
piece of advice previously which is you know you made a decision to go down a
particular path to give it a good go what type of things within them should
they aspire and if they go off path make mistakes how did they go about being
kind to themselves etc so what what type of things making good I think you just
gotta embrace your mistakes and say yes that was a mistake that was amusing but
I've learned from that I've learned from that mistake you've got to see it as
normal that your stuff up a lot of the time a lot of the time you will get it
wrong but probably as you get older as you get older you'll you'll sometimes
amaze yourself by how you've got something right you got something
absolutely right it's beautiful so you're talking about a lot of compassion
and self compassion and empathy towards yourself right and that once you have
there within yourself do you find the people that have that it's easier for
them to also share that amongst other people as well so they don't judge other
people this harsher yeah I think so I think so I mean I I can recall very
often choosing not to rebuke a colleague
because like I could see myself is being entirely capable of making the same
mistake
so but what is the how important we talked a lot about what when the work
that we do how people been since eight right and I'm not too sure how often
people talk to you about this right but health plays a big part in what we do we
touched on it previously with with the meditation but in terms of your physical
health how do you go about it what's it look like why I do I follow a routine so
I can think of contemporaries of mine over the years who have died and I got
to say they drink too much they're people who drink too much okay I think I
mean everyone likes many people like the taste of that a glass of alcohol but
clearly it's a crutch and I think as you get older you got to wind it down
you're a winder right back right back as you get older yet another tolerance for
yes and smoking is just an act of suicide yeah just an act of suicide or
lack of self regard I can't understand people don't like exercise exercise
makes me feel better so I'm I'm addicted to it it's a good addiction to hands I
can't believe that I'm doing exercise programs now that I would not have done
20 or 30 years ago so you're no guarantees in this but it's sensible to
put yourself in the right risk a degree rather than the category of the highly
vulnerable but I think I think all these things are easy if you keep busy if your
life is full of activities and tasks and deadlines I think too much leisure on
your hands can invite you to be a bit self-indulgent but I think a lot a lot
of a lot of benefits flow from just being busy definitely yeah I think I'd
be bad for me not to have deadlines no challenges not to have half a dozen
things I should be dividing this l2 but on the
other hand I'm sure that with many people with space in their lives
perhaps in retirement with meditation and an interest in exercising and
gardening and a lot of other things live very fulfilling lives you shouldn't be
dogmatic for you another question that I must ask you which is around this you
know you touched on in terms of alcohol and certain activities of course picking
the right activity is important to be busy with right me I think a lot of
these is personal responsibility and individual needs to take that personal
responsibility but from someone who served in government leadership and I
don't just mean government you know the leadership in general there's a culture
in our country as you know of indulging in alcohol etcetera and how much of it
is do you you know people turn out there's always a work function there's
always a luncheon or something like that how much you divinity is self driven do
you think how much of people need to take ownership themselves and how much
of it is leadership role modeling I think it's all personal responsibility
more personal responsibility I feel very sorry for people who just got a
chemistry in the system that makes them prone to alcohol dependency and I'm full
of admiration for people who have been addicted to it but who beat it with the
older girl college anonymous or some other somehow the therapeutic approach
and I think it'd be there's only an onion scheme it separates you for
someone who's struggling with a dependency
if you're doing about the professor for a moment as if you'll work with UTS and
if we can lead to what you see the rest of your life being dedicated to and it's
it's it's a big question that one that you may have thought it through you may
just be taking minutes at times can we talk about one education work that
you're doing right now I know you huge advocate mentioned that a few times in
terms of lifelong learning and sharing your knowledge now obviously then if we
could come to like what where do you see yourself dedicating the rest your life
to who knows who knows about this very interesting job now basic UTS and Sydney
hitting a think-tank devoted to the Australia China relationship what
happens after that I simply don't know they take it as account yep beautiful in
that moment but I think I'll always be doing some sort of writing and speaking
but again who knows do you see yourself travel a lot these days always a
Manliness trap yeah but not not fanatically I think as
you get older you think no I want to get I won't get to see that part of the
world or that part of the world and but so what it doesn't matter I think I
think if your life becomes a frantic the suit that experience that's a bit of
dissipation as well and I think for stability in life a lot of us a lot of
us have got to be anchored in work the only anchored in work I think I think
that's important maybe I'll change but in another 10 years I'll I'll have a
different view that's a wonderful thing I really like that view I think what
happens is we have so many things to tick off which is promoted these days
it's the huge term that's been used thrown around a lot which is the bucket
list and people keep chasing one thing after another yeah yeah what's the
what's the big deal if you die before youth before you've had a cruise that
no way and denies if you got to do it I'm sure I'm sure there'd be some very
fulfilling moments but would anything be different about you if you were to do
that it's still the same person and if you
spent the time back home at the workaday tasks you might have read a book that
gave you a whole new set of thinking whole new set of thoughts or you're able
to advise someone a younger person in ways that they found very valuable or or
push it cause that you're committed to that's wonderful it's beautiful inside
thank you for hearing they're like shame because there's not that many people
that talk about that and are aware of that and what I find in our work
sometimes when we were chatting with people who are continuously running and
my most highly accomplished but they're finding it difficult to get pace in
their lives is basically counting down to being able to sit in quietness and
again it goes back to the ability to be able to and that spirit it's been lovely
to talk to you delicious right thank you so much for ok I had an absolute ball
hanging out with Bob we're a lot of fun there's some awesome chats afterwards as
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