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Mário Bortolotto: an important and respected director, actor and writer.
Mário has already won the APCA award for his work as a whole,
and also won the SHELL Award for Best Actor for his play "OUR LIFE IS NOT WORTH A CHEVROLET."
In 2009 Mario was shot and had an NDE.
Let's know his story?
Good night, Mario.
Good evening.
Thank you so much for sharing with us your near-death experience.
I would like you to tell us in as much detail as possible ...
because it is something that will help all of us in our scientific understanding about this event.
Do you want me to tell you what it was like, what happened ... the whole story?
Yes, yes, the whole story, the way you think you should tell.
Okay.
Under what circumstances everything happened ...
How did it happen...
and then how that has had an impact in your life.
Okay.
Well, I was doing a midnight show in the "Parlapatões Space" ...
it was a play written by me, called "Brutal" ...
I was...
I had directed, written the text ...
and was also doing the ... doing the light of the play.
The presentation ended around 1:30 AM...
it was...
a day a little out of the ordinary because I wanted to leave ...
and I usually drink until morning ...
it was a day...
in which I was eager to go home and sleep.
And then a friend of mine said to me:
"Hey ... are you leaving?"
[I said]: "Yes ... I'm tired, I'm going to sleep, I do not feel like staying here today."
[He said,] "But I'll pay you a dose of Jack Daniels."
[I said:] "Well then I'll stay ..."
Then I drank a dose ... I drank two ... three ...
After sometime I had drank an entire bottle of ... Jack Daniels.
I was pretty crazy.
It was almost morning ...
when...
The bar door was locked because ...
after a certain hour they used to lock the door ...
then someone knocked ...
and the security guard went to see who it was ...
and it was Reinaldo Moraes, who is a writer friend of mine ...
and Fernanda D'Umbra, who is my ex-wife ...
they had just arrived...
and they wanted to get in.
And the guy unlocked and opened the door for them to enter.
As they entered, the bad guys came in together.
Four guys, two of them armed.
They came in yelling at everyone inside the bar ...
"everybody lies on the floor" ... that kind of stuff ...
that bad guys do ...
I was very drunk... really drunk.
And I did not obey what the guys said.
It was not a matter of ...
willing to confront the guys, or anything like that ...
the thing is that I was really ... really drunk.
I could not even get up from the chair.
Then one guy came and said to me that I had to lie down on the floor ... and I said, "I'm not going to lie down."
"if you want, I can get up"..
Then another guy came from behind and gave me a butt on the head very ... very hard, very violent.
I think any normal person would faint but I ...
I'm a hardhead...
unfortunately.
So... the guy gave the butt ...
and instead of fainting I got up to face him.
As soon as I got up to face him ...
one of them unloaded the weapon on me.
Three shots hit me ...
two more in the leg of a friend of mine who tried to help...
it was Carcará [name of the friend] ...
and ... they missed some ... also ... I think another guy did shoot too ... I do not know ...
To this day there are ... some bullet holes in the "Parlapatões Space".
But I know that in this story I was shot three times.
I was shot first and kept walking ...
Then I was shot twice more ...
only on the third shot I fell.
And...
and then everyone was there ... the bad guys ran away ...
They told me that the guy still came to give the mercy shot in me ... the so-called mercy shot ...
and...
he put the revolver closer ... pulled the trigger ... and missed.
The shot hit the floor next to my head.
If not, I would have died.
Then they fled ...
they fled
everybody came to help me...
to me and also to Carcará that had been shot in the leg ....
he is my partner here at the theater ...
and my friend...
and...
and then I remember that I ...
I remember that I was repeating that I was going to die.
I kept saying I was going to die.
My ex-wife ... Fernanda ... was holding ... my head ...
trying... to talk to me
my friends were trying to talk to me and I...
The last thing I remember is that I was...
fallen on the ground ... Fernanda ...
was holding my head and I was repeating that I was going to die.
And then I blacked out, [from then on] I just know what they told me about what happened.
They called the ambulance but the ambulance was going to take to much time to arrive ...
If I kept waiting for the ambulance I would have died.
Then...
my friends held me and put me in the trunk of a police car ...
and they took me to [the hospital] ...
then the medical doctor said ... when I got there the medical doctors of Santa Casa Hospital...
received me ...
and said that if it had taken me seven more minutes or so to get there I would have died.
And then I went through I do not know how many surgeries ...
and was two days in a coma.
What kind of surgery?
In the heart.
One bullet hit the heart.
One went through my body, one hit the heart and the other ... I do not know ...
I think it stopped next to the cervical spine.
When I opened my eyes I did not even believe I was alive.
I remember that I opened my eyes and saw ...
The first person I saw was the ... mother of my daughter, who was sitting near the bed ...
she smiled at me
[and I thought] ... it means that I'm still alive ... if she smiled at me ...
and then...
I remember that they told me they did not bring my daughter ... to see me because ...
I could get too emotional ... etc
And about the experience ...
the near-death experience ...?
What did it happen ... out of the ordinary while you were ...
I can not tell what happened out of the ordinary ...
but I know I saw many images ...
they are things that I tell and that are kind of funny ...
It looked like I was in a ...
in a kind of limbo ... I do not know ... in a tunnel ...
and then I saw some images ...
You know when you pick up ... a lit match and throw it in the coffee
and the [surface of the] coffee forms some images ... something like that?
I remember it was more or less this kind of smoky image that was being formed in front of me ...
this kind of shape ... I really saw that.
And I remember seeing Pereio's image .. being formed ...
Paulo Cesar Pereio ... who was my friend ...
I remember seeing Trotsky ...
Leon Trotsky ...
and Prince Valiant ... of Hal Foster.
These are the three images that got in my head ... so ... in a very firm way ...
I must have seen many other things ...
but the images I remember clearly while I was ...
in this situation were the images of these three people ...
which have no connection one with the others.
I used to read a lot Prince Valiant when I was a kid ...
But ... Troksty I do not understand why ... I do not understand ...
I never had any connection with him.
And Pereio is my friend.
You said "limbo" and you said "tunnel".
Yes ... I said ... we have a way of saying ...
but we do not know what a limbo is ...
the limbo according to the Bible is a place where the little children go ...
which is a "nothing" place.
it's more or less this ... it's where the little kids who have not been baptized go ...
according to Catholic belief.
And why the tunnel?
Did you have the feeling that you were in a tunnel?
Yes, I had ... I had ... the feeling of ...
Did you have the feeling that...
A tunnel where you never got anywhere ...
Was it a tunnel without light at the end?
There was a light.
There was a light, yes ... but it was not a very strong light or anything very clear like that, no.
It was a very distant light.
But did you feel like going toward it ...
or did you feel like you were heading toward it?
I do not know ... I do not know ...
I felt that I was moving ...
but I can not tell if I was moving with determination toward this light ...
or if I walked with hesitation toward it ... I do not remember that.
But do you feel that you were approaching it?
Yes...
I feel ... I do.
And did you feel someone's presence?
Even if you haven't seen it?
No.
I did not feel the presence of anyone.
In addition to these images that were formed
I do not remember anything.
Have not you seen your body?
No ... no ... I did not see my body... no.
You have not gone anyplace ...
the only thing happened
were these three images?
Yes ... yes ... three images ...
that I remember ... of course.
I think it must have been much more ... but I do not remember.
Has that had any impact on you ...? Or do you think it might have been a dream?
Or a ...
It was all so calm ...
The images were formed in such a quiet way ... so ...
Did you have a feeling of peace?
I had ... peace ... yes ... a lot.
Much peace ... there was no agitation at all.
And no pain?
No ... no pain.
It was all very peaceful.
I'm sure about this ... you know ...
about this tranquility ...
And did not you feel it when you returned to the body?
I didn'nt ... no.
I not even know if I left it, right?
It's true... you're right.
I'm talking based on ...
- [Mario] Yes ... on the experiences of other people ... - Yes... yes.
I'm not sure I left the body.
This issue of leaving the body... is controversial.
There are many people who have had a near-death experience ...
and who understand that consciousness has expanded ...
going beyond the body ...
but never ceasing to be in the body as well.
Maybe this is closer to what I felt.
Have you ever heard of near-death experience?
Not in detail ... not with this ...
I've seen people talking ... talking about it ... but I've never met anyone ...
who would sit beside me and explain to me about it.
You were in a tunnel, you felt you were in the limbo according to your words ...
and you had this feeling of peace ...
and you saw a light ...
even if not very strong ...
in the end [of the tunnel].
Yes ... but it's very vague what I'm talking about ...
I vaguely remember it ...
It's not very clear in my head ...
if it was really a tunnel ...
you konw ... for me it's all very ...
there is nothing very clear.
The only clear thing I saw are the images of these three figures ...
which I clearly remember.
But the rest I remember very ... vaguely.
Has this had any impact on understanding who you are?
In your life?
I do not know if you ... have a vision ... more skeptical, more materialistic ...
materialistic in the sense of thinking that we are only matter ...
or ... didn't that generate any changes ...
or do you feel today that we are something beyond this physical body?
I am Catholic.
I am Catholic ... although I have not gone to church for a long time ...
I was raised in the Catholic Church ... I was a seminarian for five years ...
- You were a seminarian for five years? - I were ... I were ...
I got kicked out of there.
I stayed five years inside.
So, actually, I ...
I have a Catholic belief still in me ... even though I do not go to church ...
because I do not agree with many church dogmas ...
but...
I always believed that life can not be just this.
it can not be this mediocre thing that is our life here.
I hope ... I have faith and I hope there is something beyond this.
I do not know what it is ... I do not know if it's what the church preaches, I do not know if it's what spiritists preach, if it is... anyway ...
I really do not think people are right about this ...
everybody's kind of risking a guess ...
Did this experience somehow modify your relationship with these questions ...
and these thoughts about what will come next?
No ... because I still ...
I still do not know what will happen after we leave here.
I think nobody knows ... I think you're doing what you're doing exactly to better understand that.
Yes.
But somehow ...
Has this information you had in your experience had any kind of impact in your life?
I do not think so .
I did not change anything I was before ...
I still believe the same things ... I keep on living my ...
this life here just as I lived ...
so I really do not think I've changed anything ...
since...
I do not think I was living in a wrong way ...
I was not doing anything ...
that compromised my existence ... here in this ...
in this place we don't know how to define what it is.
I haven't changed but ... the truth is that I already had this ...
this idea that ...
that we are not just this ...
so I guess I haven't changed because of that.
Maybe if I were a convicted atheist ... if I were a ...
a convicted materialist ...
maybe I would have changed something in my life... yes... because the experience is very strong.
So I think there could have been a very big turn in my life in that moment.
About the sensation of time ...
some people comment that it seems like time is different during such an experience.
Did you feel something like that?
Yeah ... it seems like everything runs slower ...
Like I said before, everything seemed quieter.
Did you hear any noise?
I do not remember ... I do not think so.
I do not remember, if I listened I do not remember.
Do you remember if there was a deep silence?
No... no.
When we dream ... I dream a lot ... every night ... I have nightmares ... I have ...
I wake up scared, I wake up ...
kind of restless
Do you differentiate what you had from a dream?
Yes, because in this experience everything was very serene.
It had nothing to do with the dreams I have.
When I wake up I'm always agitated, disturbed, I wake up thinking ...
There... it was all very quiet.
It really seemed I was in another dimension.
Did you feel lightness?
Yes ... yes.
About space ...
for example about what you saw ...
Some people comment that during the experience the vision is different.
One of these people commented ...
that you do not have to turn back to look ...
another person commented that it was as if there was a peripheral vision ...
It's like you see everything ...
at the same time.
Did you have any sensation like that ...
thinking on the things you saw there?
I'm not sure ... if I tell you, I might be wrong.
If I say that I ...
At the same time that I remember that it was ... similar ...
When I used the word "tunnel" I might have ... said it wrong ... I do not know ...
I remember the light ... but I do not remember exactly if it was a narrow thing.
Maybe it was a much broader thing than I said, understand?
that's why it's dangerous to say without being sure ...
Well ... there are wide tunnels ...
Yes ... maybe that's it ... a very wide tunnel ... because there was a thing of amplitude...
at the same time ... if I thought of a tunnel ... or it's a very large tunnel or it's not a tunnel.
Did these images you saw, somehow, made you think about why have you seen them ...
and did this make you come to some conclusion?
No...
I never thought of that ...
I remember the journalists who interviewed me after I ... I came back ...
and that I always talked about these images ...
I always made it clear that that was what I remembered ... very clearly ...
People used to laugh ...
because there is no connection to one another ...
and neither with myself ... so .... in the case of Trotsky it is very strange ...
people know that I'm an apolitical guy ...
Ah ... you are not an admirer of Trotsky?
No ... that's why I said ... I'm not ...
Not even of Stalin ... of any of them ... nor of Lenin ... anyway ...
But you are Pereio's friend...
I am Pereio's friend ... and I was a fan of Prince Valiant.
But not of Trotsky ... to this day I wonder ... why did Trotsky appear to me ...
Why he.
I thought it was weird.
Do you have any message for us who never had an experience like that?
Any message I have will be a bit presumptuous on my part ...
as if it were like this: "Well, as I have experienced this, I can tell you ... that."
And I would not like to be presumptuous in that way.
I can only say that for me it was not a bad experience.
In my particular case ...
I returned ... very light.
It was a very good experience...
maybe ... it has even helped in my physical recovery...
because...
because I remember being very quiet, [feeling] very light ...
and also when I woke up... and I saw the smile of my ex-wife ...
When you awoke did you immediately remember the experience?
Didn't it get erased from your memory?
No ... it didn't.
And you told [someone] right away ...?
No ... because I was intubated ... I could not even speak ...
But it was all in my head, yes.
And [as soon as you could] you told that to ...
I did, I did ...
I was interviewed many times...
several newspapers ... television ...
and I always spoke very openly about this because ...
I have no problem talking about it.
Maybe if this had been a traumatic experience ...
then maybe I had more trouble talking about it...
I'd be more reticent ...
Do you consider in any way this experience that you had as a religious experience?
No.
No ... I do not think so ... I do not think so.
It is different.
I thought it was strange that I came back ... I think it's strange ...
to this day I think it is strange that I am still here ...
Because I was sure, at the time I was shot, that I was going ...
that I was going to die.
At that moment were you afraid?
[at the moment] when you realized you had been shot?
I think the feeling was of fear ...
or of being stunned by the idea ... anyway ... I do not know if it was fear ...
But the moment you ...
... of being so sure that this was going to happen ...
The moment you realized you were... watching those images ...
did the fear persist?
You mean ... after I already had ...
No ... when, during the experience, you were seeing the images...
as if they were made of smoke, as you said before...
Not at that moment ... everything was quiet there.
There was no fear?
No, there was no fear.
The situation was totally good.
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