>>> WELCOME BACK. IT'S NOT EVERY DAY THAT YOU'LL
SEE TWO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS FROM TWO DIFFERENT PARTIES DOING AN
INTERVIEW TODAY, BUT TODAY IS ONE OF THOSE DAYS.
JOINING ME NOW IS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN JIM HIMES, AND
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSWOMAN MARTHA McSALLY.
TWO STATES THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIGH-PROFILE SHOOTING
INCIDENTS. CONGRESSMAN AND CONGRESSWOMAN,
THANK YOU FOR COMING ON TOGETHER.
WE ASKED FOR THIS AND YOU EASILY WANTED TO DO THIS, SO THANK YOU.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> CONGRESSWOMAN, McSALLY, I
KNOW THIS IS THE EXPERIENCE THAT ARIZONA WENT THROUGH WITH
CONGRESSWOMAN GABBY GIFFORDS. SO THIS HITS HOME FOR A LOT OF
FOLKS IN ARIZONA AS WELL. YOUR THOUGHTS TODAY?
>> IT DOES, CHUCK. MY COMMUNITY KNOWS ALL TOO WELL
WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO THROUGH ACTS OF VIOLENCE LIKE THIS
AGAINST PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND THEIR STAFF WHILE THEY'RE
ENGAGING IN LISTENING TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS OR ENGAGING IN
THEIR WORK AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. AND BEFORE WE WALKED INTO OUR
BRIEFING, WE WALKED BY THE GABE ZIMMERMAN ROOM, WHICH IS NAMED
AFTER THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER KILLED IN THE LINE OF
DUTY. WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL WHAT IT'S
LIKE TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, NOW IS AN OPPORTUNITY
JUST LIKE TUCSON DID IN 2011, TO SHOW UNITY LIKE WE HAVE NOT SEEN
BEFORE. >> CONGRESSMAN HYMES, I BELIEVE
YOU WERE ON THE JOB ALL OF NINE DAYS WHEN CONGRESSWOMAN GIFFORDS
WAS SHO SHOT AND WE LOST GABE ZIMMERMAN.
THAT WAS YOUR INTRODUCTION TO BEING A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.
YOUR REACTION TODAY? >> WELL, I WAS ACTUALLY ELECTED
TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT. YOU MAY BE THINKING OF MY
COLLEAGUE, ELIZABETH ESTES, WHO WAS ELECTED.
IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THAT WAS YOUR FIRST COUPLE DAYS IN
CONGRESS OR WHO YOU WERE, WHERE YOU WERE.
THE MASSACRE OF 26 YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEIR TEACHERS JUST
CONTINUES TO RESONATE IN CONNECTICUT, JUST THE SHEER
HORROR OF THAT ACT CONTINUES TO RESONATE, NOT JUST IN
CONNECTICUT BUT IN THIS BUILDING.
>> LOOK, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CALLS FOR UNITY TODAY.
AND YOU GUYS ARE APPEARING TOGETHER TODAY, FOR INSTANCE.
BUT CONGRESSMAN HIMES, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU.
THAT SPIRIT OF UNITY WAS THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
WE HAD WHERE EVERYBODY DIDN'T SIT AS A PARTY FOR THE STATE OF
THE UNION. EVERYBODY SAT NEXT TO A MEMBER
FROM THE OTHER PARTY. THIS IS YET ANOTHER ATTACK ON
THE INSTITUTION WHERE IT SHOULD BE AMERICANS WERE ATTACKED, NOT
A REPUBLICAN, NOT A DEMOCRAT. HOW DO YOU KEEP THAT SPIRIT OF
CIVILITY ALIVE? >> YEAH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION,
CHUCK. ONE OF THE MORE MOVING MOMENTS
THIS MORNING WHEN THE CONGRESS CAME TOGETHER FOR WHAT WAS
BILLED AS A SECURITY BRIEFING, BUT REALLY TURNED INTO A
CONVERSATION ABOUT UNITY AND ABOUT TONE.
MOST OF US WALKED OUT OF THAT ROOM REALIZING THAT, YOU KNOW,
IF UNITY MEANS WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE ON THINGS, WE'RE
NOT GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T.
IT'S GOOD THAT MARTHDA HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT
THINGS THAN I DO. I THINK IT WAS A GREAT REMINDER
FOR US ALL THAT THE TONE REALLY MATTERS.
THE WORD TWORD TONE WAS USED A THIS MORNING.
SOMETIMES WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE VICTIMS OF THE TONE.
WE HAVE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND PEOPLE SHOUT.
THIS IS A REMINDER AS LEADERS WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRYING TO
SET AS CIVIL AND AS CONSTRUCTIVE A TONE AS WE CAN.
>> GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. I THINK IT'S ON ALL OF US
INVOLVED IN PUBLIC DISCOURSE. CONGRESSWOMAN McSALLY, I KNOW
THAT YOU HAVE A SECURITY -- IT WAS BILLED AS A SECURITY
BRIEFING, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING MANY MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS EXPRESSED CONCERN IF YOU'RE NOT IN LEADERSHIP AND
YOU'RE NOT IN WASHINGTON AT THE CAPITOL, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF
SECURITY. HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU?
>> WE DON'T. AND ABOUT A MONTH AGO, A MAN WAS
ARRESTED FOR MULTIPLE MESSAGES AND INDICTED ON THREE COUNTS OF
DEATH THREATS AGAINST ME. WE GET ASKED THIS QUESTION ALL
THE TIME. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE
UNNECESSARY RISKS, BUT I THINK THE BEST THING WE CAN DO RIGHT
NOW IS CONTINUE TO DO OUR JOB. CONTINUE TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
CONTINUE TO LEAD AND SHOW THAT WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN AND
ENGAGE AND BE OUT AND ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE CANNOT BE HIDING IN A BUNKER. I FLEW IN COMBAT.
JUST BECAUSE I KNEW THERE WERE THREATS OUT THERE, DIDN'T MEAN I
STOPPED DOING MY MISSION. MY MISSION NOW IS TO REPRESENT.
WE CAN LEAN ON THAT FRONT. NOT BY TAKING UNNECESSARY RISKS
BUT WE CAN'T LIVE IN FEAR. THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS GO
TO THE CONGRESSIONAL BASEBALL GAME TOMORROW NIGHT AND SHOW
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE IN
OUR BUSINESS IN HAVING SINCERELY HELD BELIEFS AND DIALOGUES AND
DEBATES AND DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE.
I SERVED IN THE MILITARY. THERE'S REAL ENEMIES OUT THERE
TRYING TO KILL US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.
THEY ARE NOT OUR NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE NOT OUR COLLEAGUES.
SO WE HAVE TO COME AND UNIFY IN A WAY THAT THIS, I THINK,THINK,S
EQUALS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US. >> CONGRESSWOMAN I WANT TO
FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING YOU SAID. YOU SAID THIS IS A WAKE-UP CALL.
A WAKE-UP CALL FOR WHAT? TONE AND CIVILITY?
>> I REALLY DO THINK SO. I THINK THE TEMPERATURE IS
REALLY HOT RIGHT NOW. LIKE I HAVE NOT SEEN IN MY
LIFETIME, WE HAVE PEOPLE FILLED WITH SINCERELY HAVE BELIEFS THAT
ARE NOW TURNING INTO ATTACKS AND DEMONIZING AND VITRIOL AND
HATEERAL. I THINK WE CAN DISAGREE AND HAVE
SINCERE DEBATES ON POLICY ISSUES AND LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER.
THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, HERE AND ALSO THROUGHOUT OUR
COMMUNITIES. I KNOW NEIGHBORS WHO ARE MAD AT
EACH OTHER AND FAMILY MEMBERS OVER POLITICS.
KNOCK IT OFF. THERE ARE THINGS THAT UNITE US
THAT ARE FAR GREATER THAN THE THINGS THAT DIVIDE US.
LIKE A FROG IN THE BOILING WATER, IF YOU KEEP TURNING IT UP
ONE DEGREE AT A TIME, THREATS OF VIOLENCE AND ACTS OF VIOLENCE
ARE NOT TOO FAR A LEAP. SO I THINK IT'S ON ALL OF US,
REALLY, TO LOOK INTO OUR HEARTS AND SEE WHAT CAN WE DO IN ORDER
TO TONE IT DOWN, CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE RIGOROUS DEBATES, BUT
NOT THE FEEDING IN TO ANY SORT OF ENVIRONMENT THAT'S TOXIC AND
CAN INCITE OR ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE NOT STABLE TO BE
TAKING ACTS OF VIOLENCE. >> SADLY, SOCIAL MEDIA I THINK
HAS CONDITIONED US TO ACCEPT HYPERBOLE AS FACT TOO OFTEN IN
SOME OF THIS RHETORIC. CONGRESSMAN HIMES, LET ME ASK
YOU ABOUT SPECIFICS. WE HEARD A FEW IDEAS BEING
THROWN OUT AS FAR AS TO AT LEAST IMPROVE SOME SECURITY.
THE IDEA OF YOUR DISTRICT OFFICES ALWAYS BEING, TRYING TO
LOCATE THEM IN FEDERAL BUILDINGS OR IN COURTHOUSES.
AND THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSES, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THERE'S
AN ADDED LAYER OF SECURITY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT FORMALLY
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE HOUSE TAKE UP?
>> I THINK THERE WERE A BUNCH OF CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS MADE BY
PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. THE ACTUAL COMMENT IS HOW CAN IT
ACTUALLY BE TRUE GIVEN THE BUDGETS WE'RE GIVEN ANNUALLY TO
RUN OUR OFFICES THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GO IN A FEDERAL
BUILDING WHERE THERE IS THAT ADDED SECURITY.
THAT'S CRAZY ON THE FACE OF IT. THERE'S ALSO MOMENTS WHERE WE
COME TOGETHER IN BIG GROUPS, WHERE OFTENTIMES THE CAPITOL
POLICE WILL BE THERE TO HELP, BUT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE MORE
KAUPSHs OF THAT. WE SAW THAT THIS MORNING.
IT WAS JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT STEVE SCALISE, A LEADER WITH A
PERSONAL SECURITY DETAIL, WAS ON THE TEAM.
HAD HE NOT BEEN ON THE TEAM AND THERE BEEN AN UNBELIEVABLY BRAVE
AND TRAINED DETAIL THERE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.
>> JIM HIMES AND MARTHA McSALLY, LET'S DO THIS.
LET'S SEE YOU ON A MONTH COME ON TOGETHER WHILE WE TALK
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