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Ana Paula, owner of an lodge in the city of Brotas,
went through a near-death experience.
In fact, in the period of one year between 2011 and 2012,
she's been through a lot.
Shall we know her story?
We are here in this paradisiacal place, charming, delicious,
to know the story, the NDE of Ana Paula.
Please Ana Paula introduce yourself and tell us everything, as much as possible.
OK then...
I am 45 years old...
and...
between five and six years ago ...
I had a series of episodes that relativized ...
my standard of what consciousness is ...
in different ways ... which I can now exemplify ...
in the course of our conversation...
but in different ways I could ...
perceive various stages of consciousness ...
one of them ...
I classify ... although until then I have not used this nomenclature ...
but I classify it as an NDE.
I lived successive episodes ... in a short time ...
and because I'm already a little bit sensitized by the subject...
each time one of these episodes occurred ...
it got clear to me that something different was happening at that moment.
So ... as I said ... as it happened in a short period of time ... six years ago ...
all this within a year ...
the experiences were shocking.
And all of them were very objective ... very clear.
And when I say that there were several episodes in which I could relativize my state of consciousness ...
it's because they were since ... a dream ... some auditory ... olfactory phenomenon ... quite different things.
and... the more palpably was the NDE ...
which occurred during a surgery ...
a major surgery.
As they are four important episodes for me, it is difficult for me to say which was the most shocking ... but ...
I think the temporal order might be interesting.
Maybe ... exactly ...
The first one happened ... I do not have a name to say it but ...
it was maybe a faint ... or something like that ... a blackout ...
I can not really say I fainted because I've fainted before and I know what is to faint.
So ... I ... in the first episode ... I blacked out ... literally ...
and resurged ... and blacked out again ...
and I was taken from my house by the fire department ... by the police ...
because ... there was no way ... there was no other way I could move.
On the way to the hospital, when I was still in my personal blakout,
I did not know what was going on ...
because I had never had this before ...
But I could listen to everything that was happening in the car.
Later, I asked the doctor and he said: "there's no way ... or you're fainting or conscious ..."
"so if you had come here conscious ..."
But I heard ... and later I checked ... what I had heard.
The drive of the firemen till the hospital took about ...
since getting me ... putting me on the stretcher ... driving me ... putting me on the hospital bed ... things like that ...
I believe took about between 15 and 20 minutes ...
and during this period of time I was hearing all ...
but according to the doctors, the firemen, who were at my side ...
I had a very low heartbeat...
it was not a faint ...
But were you unconscious?
Yes, exactly...
they might not have explained [what I had] because maybe they're not experts to talk about ...
Well ... the fact is that it happened...
Did this first episode ... happen here?
Yes, exactly.
Where we are?
Yes...
And you said it was a blackout ...
We had a previous conversation ..
did you have a convultion or something like that?
It's difficult for me to be able to say ... to classify it...
but since it was not a faint ...
and also I can not tell if it was a convulsive seizure ... convulsive crisis...
It may have been ... even without having been ...
It has not been classified?
No.
There is no certainty that you have had a seizure?
No ... there's no certainty.
So ... because of this ... right after I left the hospital ... and was feeling good ... and not knowing what I had had ...
I went to the cardiologist also because I have a heart murmur
and I kept track of this issue at a distance ...
from time to time ... because it never caused me problems ...
My life was okaywith this murmur ... with this interatrial communication ...
so ... I went to my cardiologist and I said, "Look ... this and this happened ... I was saved by the firemen ..."
"unconscious..."
"They tried to revive me ... and nothing happened ..."
but I heard the whole conversation and then I reproduced ... I checked ...
I checked saying, "Look ... I heard this and this ..." but during 20 minutes I was not really there.
Did you only hear?
Exact.
You didn't feel anything ... the only different thing you've noticed is that you're listening?
Yes.
And it was as if you were listening in a darkness?
Yes ... exactly ... it was like a void in which the only thing I perceived was what was said ...
I didn't hear the noise from the engine of the car, for example ... there was no such thing.
When talking to the doctor, he told me that I may have had an arrhythmia.
And I ... being lay in the subject ...
but also being maybe a little bit informed, I asked what was arrhythmia ...
[and he:] "arrhythmia is this, this and that ..."
[and I said:] "Then I may have had a cardiac arrest ..."
"for a long time ...?
And he said, "Yes, maybe."
"Then I could have died?"
[and he:] "Yes ... you could have died"
and I said... "oh ... okay ..."
[and he:] "So, Ana Paula ... shall we go to surgery?"
and I said, "Well, in the face of what you're telling me, let's go to surgery."
And then in a month I scheduled the surgery.
Very quickly ... I went after the team that was indicated to me by doctors ...
I scheduled ... and then I went to surgery.
Then the second episode occurred.
The second episode ... this one is the important one...
My surgery was supposed to last about three hours ...
in the end it lasted between six and eight hours, I do not remember exactly the number ...
I can confirm later.
But it was over six hours ...
because when they did the incision ...
they came across a complication ...
of having to do a drainage because of the overload in the lung ...
so it was not planned and it happened.
I also did not know before that my blood circulation ...
Obvious ... to keep me alive ...
would be made artificially ... in the circulatory machine ...
so ... I saw this... when I was already out of my body.
So ... I saw it from the corner of the operating room ...
I saw the conversation they were having there ... and the surprise of that moment ...
the surprise of the machine circulating to the blood ...
You're talking about two surprises ... your surprise to see that machine ...
Yes.
And you also noticed the surprise of them finding a problem ...
No ... not a surprise in the sense that: "wow, what's going on?" ...
but a surprise by the new fact.
but all that was new [to me] ...
because before the surgery ...
I had written a letter ... affectionate ... to my surgeon physician ...
Did you write him a letter?
Yes, I wrote ... saying that moment was important to me ...
that it was a decision I had taken about 40 years to make ... I was 39 years old ...
about 40 years to make the decision ...
because ... it was an invasive thing ... aggressive ... from my point of view ...
so I always postponed...
and the heart murmur itself had never done anything to me ...
it did not disturb my life.
so I wrote about the importance of that ... about my position in the family ...
my role ... about my family social role ... later I saw that all this is silliness.
We think we are more important than we are.
And then... because of this letter that I wrote to the doctors ...
at the end of the surgery they talked to my mother and they said,
"Wow, we even felt more responsible because we've never had anything like this before" ...
"then ... because of the letter we also dedicated ourselves ..." of course, they said this in the form of a joke ...
but there was actually something there that the doctors did not count on.
Ana Paula ... in this heart surgery did you only see ...
or did you hear the words, the conversations they had ... between them?
I had everything ... I could see ... I could see and hear the conversation ... and I could see details there ... from the room.
So I know exactly how many people were there ... there were five people ... the doctor ...
the dialogue they had when meeting the ... drainage surprise ...
and ... like I said ... I was in the corner ...
It was not something like this ... "I left, I stayed on top ... hovering ...
no ... it was like I were sitting in the corner of the surgery room.
Top or bottom?
On the corner ... on the corner ...
There on the corner ...
Yes, exactly.
And...
and then...
there is something different ...
when you talk about feeling.
To feel ... for me ... to feel the heart itself ... for me it is a sensation I already knew ...
because I experienced before another state of perceiving the consciousness ...
when I had a dream in which I was shot ...
in the heart.
and then in the dream I left ... I went up ... I saw my body that had received the shot and I felt the bullet entering my body.
So ... this was not a nightmare ...
but it was very clear ... I saw the situation.
I do not know why there was the shot ... the whole plot of the shot I do not know ...
I know I got shot ... it was in the heart ... and I felt it.
And I saw that I was dead.
But this was a dream.
This is quite different from being there during surgery ... witnessing ...
Explain to me as much as you can about this difference ...
because this is a question we always ask.
That is ... why the person who went through a near death experience...
feels so confident in stating that it was not a dream.
Yes.
Well ... first maybe because of this dream in which I saw what it was like to leave the body in a dream ...
and watch what was happening.
So... there ... in the dream ... I felt ... I felt the bullet entering ... and I saw it from above ...
On the other hand, in the surgery it is a different situation because you are integrated there.
If you are under the effect of anesthesia then the expected thing is that you do not feel anything ... and I did not feel anything.
So I can not say ...
But the sensation of the shot in the dream yes ... in the dream I felt the shot ... entering.
In my surgery I did not feel anything in my heart ... nothing ...
What I felt was a sensation of trapped air.
you know... when you ... inspire ...
and hold the air and keep the lungs full ...
that's what I felt ... that was the feeling I had.
It was...
{here she holds the air}
like this trapped air.
That's physically ... sensory.
About ... the conversation ... the details of the conversation ... the joke they did ...
About what I've heard, I might even put a little bit of disrepute ...
because I could think that I was anesthetized but I was listening ...
but ... I would not know the visual details of the room.
And I knew that ...
the number of people ... there were 2 men and 3 women ...
one of the women was younger and Japanese ... so... these things ...
And all those details did you confirm later?
Yes, because later the doctor came to me ...
and he came with the surgical team ...
with part of the team ...
because he came to talk to my mother and me ...
So after your recovery you talked to them about it.
Exactly ... they did the joke about the letter ...
but they came to me because of a special event.
Three days after the surgery ... already in recovery ... I was about to be discharged ...
I was taking a shower, a warm shower, counting with the help of my mother ...
when I had a stroke.
So this is another episode of another aspect of consciousness because ...
when you have a stroke of the kind I had ...
this is what happened:
I paralyzed the right side and I couldn't talk.
I could hear my mother talking with me:
"Paula ... what is happening ... answer me ... why do not you talk? ..."
In my head I was responding, I was talking.
But I felt something was different there ... so I went back to bed.
I was in the shower but immediately I went back to bed and covered myself ... and I stayed there thinking ...
About going back to bed ... did you imagine you were going back to bed?
No, I really did it.
During the stroke episode.
During the stroke you were able to go back to bed.
That's it ... because it paralyzed my right side and I immediately went back to bed.
When I saw my mother asking me, with a face of panic ...
asking me questions ... several times ... and in my head I was responding ...
I thought, "There's something strange ..."
I was with the little shower [in my hand] and the little shower fell ...
I was holding it and it fell.
I quickly went back to bed and stayed there.
And then ... in that situation ... I tried to write ...
because ... words would not come out of my mouth.
of course ... at that moment my mother was desperate ... she had already left the room ...
she went to call the nurse ... I do not know who else ...
my father was walking here and there with his hands on his head...
the nurses ... the neurologist quickly appeared ...
and I trying to communicate with my friends ... my parents are elderly ...
to tell them something different was happening.
I typed ... in my conception ...
I typed "call my doctor ... because I got a problem" ... something like this...
My friends told me later they received a lot of mixed letters ...
and that there was not a consistent word there ...
but in my head there was.
I got my cell phone ... from my dad's blazer ...
that was there ... I put my hand inside the pocket ... I got it ... and typed ...
because ... I wanted to coordinate that situation there ... but I could not coordinate.
Did you type the phone number?
Yes, by SMS.
I tried, but nothing happened.
My cell phone was with my father ... so I got it ... from his pocket ...
and I tried to send a message to three close friends who accompanied me there ... from a distance ...
but none of this had any effect.
and then... when I started getting medical help ...
and I started to return to a normal situation...
the words came back but I mixed them ...
so I could talk but I had trouble getting the right word ...
let's say there was a game ...
and an example of what happened is this: I wanted to say "the Neymar soccer boot" ... the player's boot ...
and I said "sneaker" ... "tennis shoes" ...
I said several names ... but I could not say the right one.
That is, the phrases and the words began to come changed ...
then it came the phase of numbness ...
my right side got tingling and everything began to return to normal.
but because of the stroke I went back to ICU and stayed there 14 days.
I stayed there quietly.
so ... I'm talking about the stroke because it gave me another insight ...
different from the dream ...
different from surgery ...
which is you being conscious but not having communication ...
you hear ... but you can not communicate.
Things do happen only in your head ...
in your head you're saying ...
During a stroke you are saying ... "Look at the Neymar boot" ...
but the word that came out of my mouth was "sneaker", not "boot" ... not the right word.
You were feeling normal.
Yes...
but all I said was confused.
And did not you notice that you were not speaking normally?
I did not notice.
After the surgery, when the effects of anesthesia ended ...
I was intubated.
I was right at the entrance and there was a cousin of mine who was there to welcome me ...
and I was with the tube ... so...as soon as I noticed that ...
as I could not speak ... I tried to take it out ... but they would not let me ...
I asked for paper and pen ... the nurse soon gave them to me ...
I wrote "I can not breathe ... I'm breathless ... take it away ..."
[she replied:] "we'll get it out."
So ... that "trapped air" feeling that I I had it when I was in the operating room ...
I do not know if it is linked to it, to the tube, or not.
I know that my breathing capacity was somehow at risk ...
because during the time I was seeing all the surgery ...
and seeing the delicacy of the moment ...
the dialogues ... the people ... the machine ... all that ...
the physical situation that I perceived was ... the only physical ... was ... respiratory.
And ... I only realized that later ... as soon as I woke up ...
You had that feeling.
Exactly.
And was it the same sensation [of trapped air]?
Yes ... but you are intubated so that you don't have any respiratory effort ...
Well ... they took the tube out of me and quickly everything was fine ... after the surgery.
I was feeling good... the doctors were praising my speedy recovery ...
and I was there ... on the morning of the third day ... waiting to be discharged ...
when the stroke occurred.
Unlike the dream and the surgery,
there was this episode of stroke in which, in another way, I had to deal with ... with ...
the fact that my brain was active but unable to communicate.
For a month ... I stayed there in the city of São Paulo ... recovering ...
I was told that, because of the stroke, it would be a good thing to stay a month ...
near medical help ... immediate ... if I needed ...
since the city of Brotas has more limited resources ... so I stayed there [in São Paulo].
After a month I came to Brotas, to my house ...
and immediately I went to get my car ... because I already wanted to take my own life ...
I drove my car ... and when I got out of the car ...
I think I pulled the hand brake but probably I didn't ...
so... I left the car without the handbrake ... and the car went downhill ... and hit the mango tree ...
it came down about 50 meters ...
and shattered the back here in the mango tree.
What might have reduced the impact a little was that the door slammed into the guava tree.
The car stayed for a month at the ... tinker.
Then I got the car ... at the repair place in Bauru ...
and I went to Sao Paulo because of a medical return.
[on the way back,] I left Sao Paulo at five in the afternoon ...
[and at this time] on the Bandeirantes highway the flow begins to increase ...
because of the people of São Paulo that go inland ...
I usually drive fast ... even knowing the risk of it ... I just do it ...
But that day I was very quiet ... well zen ...
first because when ... I think when you're on that threshold ... of life ...
when you go through an experience in this delicate line of life ...
you... in the initial moments ...
in the first six months ... one year ...
you do things more calmly ...
because you realize that there is not such an urgency ...
so you do not have to rush to answer the phone ...
no need to make food so fast ... to eat fast ...
everything has its own time to be done...
so you get in a bit at this rate ...
so I was not really in any rush ...
I was driving less than 120km per hour ...
focused on what I was doing ... that was going back to Brotas ...
and the car spun.
I do not know how.
I saw the car rotating ... and I was out of it ...
and I saw that a truck is going to hit it ...
You were out of the car the moment the car was spinning?
Yes.
[I thought:] the truck that's coming over there is going to hit my car... "
"and I'm going to die."
When I woke up from all this thinking I did not know I had spun...
the engine stopped and I was facing the counterflow ...
so I was
You were looking to the traffic coming in your direction..
That's it.
So I was ... let's say ... on a track ... which is not the overtaking track ...
it's the one before the overtaking track...
and when I came back to me I was on the second track ...
from the shoulder ... and the the engine had stopped ...
so I needed to restart the car ...
to go to the side of the road.
I saw that I was spinning from the outside.
I just ... stopped [seeing it] ...
because I think it stopped spinning.
Or something happened with the car ... I do not know what.
I know that when I came back [to myself, to my body]...
I saw kind of an air bag, a pocket of air ... let's say like this ...
a pocket of physical space around me ... clean ...
and the cars ... it was a descent ... luckily ... and the trucks ... and cars ... all diverting to my right.
So ... quickly I restarted the engine ... I thought ... "Gee ..."
How was this pocket of air? ...
because I would never define a pocket of air on a road ...
I do not even know exactly what it is...
is this air pocket something like an interference ... from another reality?
Yes ... That's why I say a pocket of air ... because it was a hollow, it was a void of cars.
The cars were there ... far away ... I do not know ...
visually maybe more than a mile from me.
In this same vision... where there is the pocket of air?
Exact.
And then everyone was passing by my right ...
so ... in front of me there was nothing ... except the asphalt and the lines ... on the floor.
So that's why ... I say a pocket of air.
This distance was not a real distance ... but it was what you were seeing, right?
Well ... it was what I saw ... it couldn't be real because ...
how could ... the speed of the cars should be about the same as mine ...
but what I saw was this.
And ... and then ... the truck did not come ... when I woke up there was no truck ... there was nothing ...
just that ... this physical reality.
To recap ... then... when you spun ... and saw everything from the outside ... there was a truck coming toward your car.
That's it.
When you woke up [in your body] you saw a pocket of air and there was no truck ...
No..
The air pocket ... forms ... the moment I wake up and I restart ... the engine.
Okay.
Then the first sight I have is this ... air pocket.
Okay.
That's what I saw.
With my eyes.
Then I can not tell if this was happening there or what ...
By the time the car was spinning I did not see the air pocket.
I knew I was spinning and I saw the truck approaching.
And you thought ... "I'm going to die."
I thought "now I'm going to die ..."
"because this truck that is coming will hit me ... and destroy my car ..."
something like that ... all this happened in fractions of a second, it is difficult to tell it in words.
and then ... when I came back ... when I found out I had the car engine turned off ... and the car was in an inverted position on the track ...
I restarted quickly ... and I drove the car to the side of the road ...
and immediately a truck stopped and the driver asked me ...
"Mam ... are you okay? ... What happened? ..."
I turned to him and ... smiling ... I said ... "nothing ... I don't know what happened ..."
[and he:] "But you spun ... everyone was diverting from you ..."
and I said, "Look, I honestly do not know what to say ..."
and I was talking like I'm talking now ... I was not scared ...
and he said ... "do you want a glass of water ... or do you want to stop to take some air ... don't you want to get out of the car? ..."
and I said, "no ... I'm really fine ..."
I was fine ... I was not scared ... I did not have a fainting ... I had nothing ..."
he stayed with me for about a minute and a half ... let's say like this ...
until he made sure that everything was fine with me.
He had stopped immediately after I had parked the car there ... still against the flow.
And then ... to finish ... I said ... "I think maybe I need help just to reverse the car ..."
so he helped me ... but that was another moment.
Well ... concluding... this was another episode ...
A fifth episode ...
Exact.
In the short time I was there ... again ...
evaluating what was [happening] ...
When this happens to me I do not question ...
so ... at that moment there ... it just happens.
I question later ... when I get home ... I think about what happened ... how was it ...
But ... in these episodes, except in surgery ... in all these times I thought about it ... on my return ...
But not in surgery ... there was nothing to think about ... that was it ... it was the reality ... that was what happens ...
I knew it ... do you understand?
For me the fact that I saw the surgery ...
it was normal, let's put it this way ... do you understand?
Yes.
I'm myopic ... for example ...
so I'm always using contact lens ...
because since I was a kid ... since I was seven years old I do not like wearing glasses ...
so I only wear glasses when it is really necessary.
So ... for me ... I'm not using lens ... because ... it is the normal ...
so much so that if I wear glasses, people think it is strange ...
because they never see me [with glasses] ... but I have 7 degrees and 4 ...
that is, if I had no lens, I could not take two steps ... because I don't see well.
So this is the normality ...
since it's normal for me ...
this does not make a difference ...
I do not keep thinking ... "I'm using lens ... or the lens is bothering me ..."
people might tell me ... "Look, you're using lens ..."
And was your vision in every episode perfect?
Yes ... yes ... no doubt about that.
So ... what I want to say about the use of the lens is that this is a normality ...
so that situation in which I could see from there ... for me that was normal ...
it was not...
for me it's normal ... it was not, it is.
So I did not have any kind of question about that ... that was just happening ...
I saw ... it happened ... it was like this ... period.
Unlike the other episodes, where there was a later questioning ...
when I began to add ... all the different things that were happening.
And then, in parallel, during this whole journey ...
I had what a psychiatrist classified as "partial ... complex... crisis" ...
which is ... a pseudo epilepsy.
okay ... so I thought ... "it would be a good idea to talk to a neurologist" ...
But let's go to why she told me that ...
because ... for example ...
I had nuances ... lapses ... in which I did not know what had happened ... at a certain moment.
so ... an example that made that clear ...
it happened when I made a trip to enjoy the quietness ...
I went to a farm in which they have a breeding of horses.
I spent some time at this farm in the city of Ourinhos.
I stayed there ... farm food ... farm environment ... no cell phone ... everything quiet.
In a certain morning I needed to call someone from my intimacy ...
for me to make sure of what I had said ... of what I had done ...
because I did not remember.
Nor why you were where you were?
Exactly.
So I called and asked,
"Yesterday did I tell about the "croissant"?"
"Did I tell I rode a horse?"
"At what time did I call you?"
Because ... as I was ...
I had to have any reference of what had happened ...
because I had no memory of that.
From this example of the morning and the horses that erased from my memory ...
and I had to ...
I say from this example... this most shocking example ...
because it lasted a long time ...
so I had to make a bigger rescue to remember ...
but there were other minor ones ... other time lapses a bit smaller ...
Is it when this classification of pseudo epilepsy arises?
That's it ... exactly ... that's why the psychiatrist told me that.
And...
and then... I came home after that ... after having to call to know what physical reality I had lived ...
because I had no memory record ... of it ... of what I had done ... if I called, if I ate, if I ... etc ...
so I needed someone to tell me ...
what I had done, where I was, why I was, and so on.
Coming home from this trip ... I felt ... a smell ... absurdly different.
Totally different from any smell we feel ...
I can not say how was the difference ... I know it was sui generis ...
characteristic...
and I asked "are you smelling that?".
"I am not smelling anything."
"Aren't you smelling this?"
So it was an olfactory experience at that moment totally ... new.
And you had no epileptic seizure problem after that?
No ... no ... I never had a seizure.
I say this because Dr. Edson Amâncio says that ...
he has commented a few times that ...
some people before a convulsive attack feel a very strong smell ...
a very strong smell.
Exactly.
After that ... like I said ... as all these episodes happened ...
I started researching, investigating and reading to understand what was happening.
So I know what you're telling me.
And...
and then...
based on this olfactory perception that I had...
added to other small episodes that occurred to me ...
I went to the psychiatrist and I told him ... "Look, this is happening, this and that ..."
and she tells me about the neurologist.
Well ... it's all gone ... everything was fine ... this phase was behind me ...
Then, after a long time I went to the neurologist to make sure ...
to see if that complex partial crisis really exists.
So ... resonance ... tomography ... electrodes ...
Electroencephalogram...
electrodes on the head ...
All this did not show anything ... the only thing that appeared was the stroke.
Another psychiatrist ... another version ...
neuropsychologist giving report ...
neurologist giving report ...
I do not have any epilepsy, I have none of it.
So I think ... "what's going on?" ...
Well, I could make a question like this ...
"is it something intuitive?" ... or "extrasensory perception?" ...
"or has it any relation to spiritism? '' ...
Any of these things that might have crossed my mind ...
was automatically discarded by me.
Because they are ... things ... that I have lived ...
and they don't need ... it's like I'm sure of that ... you understand?
I do not need the endorsement or classification of anyone.
Because you lived it and you feel...
Exactly.
that this is so.
Exactly ... that this is so and that it is how it works.
You had a blackout ...
You had a cardiac surgery ...
You first had a dream ...
You had a stroke ...
And you had ...
I spun with my car ...
you spun with the car ... and you had one last thing you told, did'nt you? ...
Yes ... it was precisely those lapses ...
Those lapses ... then they are six different experiences ... totally different.
At the first one ... the dream one... you felt the pain ...
Look how interesting in the dream you feel the pain of the bullet ...
and in reality you do not feel the cut in the chest.
How do you understand that?
Well... I understand exactly doing this distinction ... knowing that one thing was a dream ...
a dream in which you leave the body ... and you see all that happening ... that is ... you see what it's like to get shot ...
Oh ... to be shot is like this ...
I left the body and saw ... how is to be shot.
to feel the bullet entering the body and to see yourself ... "look ... died ..."
Did not you have any other dream where you left the body?
No ... this was the only one.
Would you say ... somehow ... that you are your consciousness?
Yes.
What makes ... my unit ... me being unique ... is this consciousness.
It is perennial ... and permeable ... let's say so...
I think these are the words that come closest to the understanding I have.
You spoke about insignificance ... you spoke about... this little planet ...
as if you had some understanding about something beyond all this.
Did you feel, in any way, as being part of a whole while you were away? ...
This is something that some people say ...
that they felt being part of the universe ... that they felt there was a connection between all the people ...
did you feel anything like that in some of your experiences?
Yes... I did.
When you talk like this ... "did you feel being part of the whole?" ...
Look ... Carlos ... I'll tell you ... it's not that I felt at that moment ...
I was... I am.
Do you understand?
I think I do... because I never went through an experience like these.
But for me it's simple ... that's why I asked if you understand ... because I think the other feels it.
The only thing I see different between me and, sometimes, another person ...
who still didn't went through this limit of life and death...
[this limit] that we... here...
in these 100 years we are living here...
call [the limit] between life and death...
the only thing that sometimes I see different ...
is that a person who has passed through something similar may understand easier ...
so sometimes it's no use talking about it to another person who has not been through it.
For example, let's suppose you smoke a lot ... it's no use talking to the smoker ...
Hey... you......
I do not make any suicidal act ...
nothing that will diminish...
that will reduce the time of my life here.
So if for me this is a rich experience and I really enjoy living ...
and this is one of the things I wrote in that letter ...
I have an urgency that I and everyone around me enjoy it here.
So ... what, in my opinion, will exist after here ...?
You said, "I've never seen a pocket of air."
What will exist is a hovering consciousness ...
That's why I say it's hard to say without running into a spiritual understanding ...
and it has nothing to do with it ...
but it's ... it's common ... it [the consciousness] permeates any dimension.
That's why I say it's permeable ...
I'm talking about her going through anything ...
any planet ... any stratospheric dimension ... any galaxy ...
It is above everything.
So you feel today that there are several dimensions?
Yes...
No... I don't feel.
They exist.
Did you have a different perception of the time while you were in these experiences or in some of them?
of the time...
Or of space?
No.
In any of them...
that's why I say that they were quite different episodes of consciousness ...
so... in any of them... for example...during the surgery...
when I noticed that I could go... or return ... and I was there observing... I could decide...
Did you feel freedom of movement ...?
Yes... that's it... yes... It's okay if I go.
And I can choose to return.
And did you try to move around?
No, I stayed seated and analysing if I would go or if I would return.
Or if I would stay there.
Didn't you feel leaving the body or getting back to it... during surgery?
No... I just...
It was not Ana Paula with hair... clothes... etc...
It was...
me... me... the self... my self...
Only the vision?
Yes... watching from there.
So...
- And could you see your body on the stretcher...? - That's why I say...
Exactly...
that's why I say...
this was the only moment I had the power.
That's something I was going to say before but I forgot.
One of the other things that also makes me differentiate the surgery from the other episodes ...
is that... in the dream... it was a dream.
When I spun... I thought... "this is happening... ", "... and this will happen..."
"The car will crash and you will die there, Ana Paula ... now it's over."
But not in the surgery.
In the surgery, I had option.
It's not that I had option.
I'm the one who determined whether I should go or not ...
if I wanted to go back to my body in the surgery ... back to reality, let's put it this way ...
And do you remember your decision of willing to return?
Yes, because as I said I was sitting like this ...
a imagem que eu posso fazer é eu sentada assim no canto da...
da sala de cirurgia... no canto em cima...
eu sentada e analisando ali, vendo como é que eles estavam procedendo naquela hora...
e vendo... meio que pesando ali... a decisão era minha.
Isso aqui... eu... sou uma celulazinha...
Um punhado de celulazinhas.
Sobre a consciência ali na sala de cirurgia...
quando eu digo que eu tinha o poder de decisão...
eu me refiro ao que fazer com esse com o conglomerado de células.
A consciência é que ia determinar o que seria disso aqui, entende?
É por isso que eu digo que é balela, que é pequeno, que é... é... é quase mesquinho... o corpo em si.
por exemplo uma das coisas que eu escrevi na carta para o médico foi que eu era um pouco vaidosa...
com o meu seio... não com o meu seio... com o meu colo...
então eu queria que ficasse uma cicatriz bonitinha...
em outras palavras eu dizia isso na carta.
Eu então agora fiquei com a cicatriz porque... como eu voltei da cirurgia... tive o AVC e fui para o UTI...
eles não me tiraram os pontos...
então eu fiquei com os pontos aqui... eles estão aqui.
Agora eu estou pensando se eu faço uma tatuagem ou uma cirurgia plástica para tirar.
Mas a cicatriz que ficou...
é impressionante a importância... o peso que eu dava...
para uma vaidade... que é de uma futilidade sem tamanho.
Porque hoje isso realmente... isso é como a lente...
você ficar triste se está feio ou se está bonito... perdeu todo o sentido para mim... entende?
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