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We've got another episode for you today episode 7. It's gonna be my cousin Nettie dykes
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We've just had lunch upstairs a fairground
That's fantastic. I don't eat. I have my wisdom teeth out, so I'm staying away from that shit um Eddie
Do you wanna give us just a little introduction to yourself?
Yeah, so I'm Eddie
I am 22 and I'm doing my PhD in psychology at the moment in Dunedin
and doing clinical psychology as well, which is
Interesting so that's what I do with my days life, so PhD that's three years um
Yeah, yeah about three years, so you say you're doing your PhD and clinical
I'm sort of you do the training sort of at the same time so at the moment
I'm taking two years out to work on the PhD, but like last year
I was doing clinical work as a trainee, so what was that like yeah? It was really good. It was like after
So before that I'd had four years studying so
It was good to actually see people and but a hands-on experience
Yeah, it was really cool
Like just actually talking to people and hearing the whole story like hearing
Like your method. Yeah, well yeah, you always start off like really open
Um you just say what are you here for what's brought you here, and then you with different people you have to sort of obviously?
Yeah, because some people will just go this and this and this happens some people take a bit more sort of
Probing but yes
It's a weird situation to be in where people are telling you so much of their life like more than you've probably told
Anyone else yeah, ah that is buzzy. Yeah, they're just 100 percent opening up to you. Eventually I suppose yeah
Yeah
How long does it take normally for them to like?
to kind of crack them open my suppose it definitely varies heaps like some people were just
Any probably you know you can probably of people that you know some people just tell you everything whereas some people need to
Sometimes it's the case that they're not too sure what's going on or why they're feeling like that and don't necessarily want to
Admit that they're feeling like that
Or sometimes, that's that they just want to get to know you first. Yeah, well. They're comfortable yeah
Yeah, so do you think that kind of extends to like?
mainly extraversion and introversion yeah
Yeah, I'd say
Openness general. Yeah because you talk about you when you talk about different personality types, that's the kind of things you talk about
How open different people are yeah? Yeah, but then some people were it also depends how you've grown up
You know some people have grown up in a family where if you say I'm feeling a bit shit today
Can I stay at home then that's fine?
Yeah, and some people some people you know your parents might talk about that whereas some people have grown up in this family
We don't say toughen up get out there, and yeah
Yeah, so
Yeah, do you have any like major psychoanalytical influences that you like that you like in particular
Definitely those ones are kind of
Yeah, this is some of the classics that you think of and they've definitely contributed a lot to
fundamentals gone
Outdated now. Yeah some people still use those approaches and that works for them
So yeah, it differs a lot depending on who you've got you know because I'm got like a toolbox a little bit
Yeah, so for some people a lot of the what they're experiencing is based on their interactions that they had with maybe their parents or
Like trauma earlier on in life. Where is some good way back? Yeah? Yeah, where some people. It's not um
You know they've had a perfectly what we call normal upbringing
and they just
Get anxious about things for whatever reason so would there be more something like
Biological that's wrong with them. Yeah, yeah, that's sort of the age-old question that is
It your upbringing or is it your genes nature? Yeah exactly, and what the consensus is is that it's basically?
a combination of both and
There's also sort of increasing
lines of thought that
Your how you're brought up can actually sort of change. What genes are expressed is that right yes?
Change like your personality traits, yeah
to an extent so
Obviously, there'll be some traits that can be altered more than other traits though. Yeah, say like the proclivity to
Argue with people would that be something that could be
Affected more by nurturing. Oh yes with each thing. It's hard to say, but it's a very case to case
And the other thing is you've gotta think that it could have been one situation where for that person
They got fired up and they argued and it got them a really good outcome. Yeah
Yeah, it's reinforcement so that's another sort of basic principle. That's often yeah play, so they're kind of learning as well as they go
Doesn't work in the real world yeah, and that's just subconsciously as well. I suppose they yeah, yeah
Yeah, many people did many people come to you in the clinical work and like
Kind of tell you what they think is wrong
Yeah, a lot of people have
theories or some people have a vague idea like they might say and
I was quite unsettled in my childhood or
As a teenager, and I think maybe that's affecting how I am now
But don't necessarily know so sometimes. It's just talking that out and
then helping and
You know it's like it's teamwork. So you work together to
think of why maybe this is
Doing the way that they are now totally totally. I mean that's kind of how I see these podcasts as well
It's kind of like working together to find things out that you don't necessarily know about or even just sometimes
It's good. Just to speak your thoughts out loud because sometimes you don't really know what you're thinking - you articulated a bit more
Yeah, for sure I feel like as a clinical psychologist
That's got to be one of the main things
Just kind of letting people talk, and you just kind of been able to listen to them and just be like okay
They just needed to kind of talk about some shit. Yeah, just being there for them
Yeah, like I don't know I feel like that's a major part of it. Yeah, definitely we talked about guided discovery so
sometimes is
that you know I might have an idea that or maybe this has gone on and maybe that's what's
Driving in there so we might sort of direct them with what we're asking
To get there or sometimes is that you just start talking and then the person that you're talking to comes up with a really
a
Really sort of profound idea of why they're acting like this
And it's often the best way for them to
Find it out themselves, and then it just it just makes so much sense to them sometimes
So was it quite successful for you like in your practice. Did you your clients pretty much?
Benefit from it um. Yeah. I mean it varies a lot because some people with more sort of
Deeply entrenched
Problems that have often been going on for a long time they it can take a while to change and we so I was only
Doing it for the last year, so you can't had short-term cases more. Yeah, yeah, but at the same time there were some people that
Benefited a lot really cool to see that yeah, that would be cool. Yeah
Did you find it was mainly males or females that were coming into your practice or mmm? We definitely had mostly females
Is that because do you think females would feel more comfortable with a female
political psychologist, yeah
definitely for some people especially
On average I suppose yeah
I guess it depends again on people's backgrounds if they've had a lot of trouble with
Males then that's gonna obviously affect how much you want to open up, but but as a clinical psychologist
you
Learn to be someone bitch
That gets people to open up and feel comfortable yeah
Yeah, it's totally the job yeah, but I suppose yeah what I'm trying to ask is like
Do you think there would be some cases where?
a client
Would just not open up to say the opposite sex or the same sex yeah, yeah for sure some
People definitely it also works. The other way that some mean especially in some cultures and
going to
Female psychologists for help feels really to take that as like
Yeah, well sometimes it's they don't want to reach out to help kind of system, yeah
yeah, yeah, I mean you know you could call that but
You know you've got a respite that that's where they've come from and that they're not gonna feel comfortable, yeah
And you know might not be that they sort of like over at least six this, but they're not feeling comfortable like well
It's not gonna work. Yeah
I've heard that
Psychology is quite dominated like the study of psychology is quite dominated by females is that is that right yeah definitely?
Psychology covers a lot of different areas but for the clinical stuff
There's definitely a lot more female kind of cool psychologists around which does make it hard for?
Especially in New Zealand at the moment. We're starting to recognize that for example
Rural men mmm are having a lot of problem, and the other thing is that suicide rates
like successful suicides
the
Numbers are way higher and mean yeah, yeah, I've heard that
Yeah, especially middle-aged men, so what do you think that is I don't know if I'd say you have a theory or anything. I'd say
that it's part of
Culture, you know we talk about the
She'll be right. Yeah, yeah, and it is and you do hear cases of
something quite major whether it's in your personal life or that and something's happened with your business, that's
Put you in serious
debt that can help but often minute to and
Some minute old proud yeah to go and really totally tell someone
they're definitely more likely to be too proud like that in any way yeah a really interesting thing that my
Dad was telling me the other day
Is that he said people?
Who?
Bottling up their feelings when the depressed whatever heaven more have a higher chance of
Becoming healthy
like
Getting over it. Yeah, we're working through it
Uh-huh and more running theory on that was like I suppose if you're if someone does have depression, and they're thinking like that
Then they're not playing a victim role kinda, and they find just like oh well
They kind of might be thinking more generally. This is life for everyone
Everyone's life is kind of hard, and if they're bottling up their feelings like well
No one else is saying this yet, so I'll just get on with the shit and do it
Yeah, but just a theory. I don't know yeah. I don't know how reliable that study is either
I guess two
Down one is that sometimes when?
people get depressed it might even be that they just
Sort of been this at the start when they're just starting to feel a bit down and you might say
everything
Nothing, goes right for me, then you start as cook. We call it the confirmation bias you look out for your thing. Yeah
Yeah, it's kinda. They see it as I'm like it's the world against them a little bit, yeah
Yeah, you know all the bad things that are and not taking notice any of the good things at all
Yeah, even sometimes turning the good things into bad things. Yeah. Yeah, well sometimes. There's something good happens. You might say
That was just luck. It's not creating it to luck. Yeah. Yeah, not a roller coaster ride of ups and downs pretty much
The other thing could be that
Often when people become depressed though get into a cycle where they might
Feel bad so they'll go to bed stay in bed
And then I often you find it really hard to get out and especially when you're depressed you might feel like sleeping all the time
So you don't get up and go out and do things
So that just creates this cycle. We are just doing less and less, and then you feel Lister
You'd there's less for you to feel sort of?
Yeah, so I guess if you're trying to bottle it up and maybe carrying on with life. I guess then okay yes
I'm keeping busy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I feel yeah, it seems to me that
The best cure for depression is finding a purpose
Yeah
That's easier said than done. Yeah, you can just do that. Yeah, and as we were saying before
You know that you need it versus environmental some people do have
It's not like 80 percent or some bullshit biology, I'm not I'm not 100 percent sure on like the numbers, but it definitely
People that are in like
What we might call like terrible conditions that you think?
Go there be horrible. Yeah, but they're happy yes whereas, you might see some people that and
It's an interesting thing I heard in terms of money relating to that is I think it's about once you can
Once you can live at a comfortable level
So probably I think there's something like
Earning about 50,000 a year or something. I can't member the numbers right quote me on that but
Something where you can pay your bills comfortably and have all your necessities
Then money won't make you any more depressed you know right having yeah having more money won't make you more happy yeah
Yeah sure, that's the word that's the word
Yeah, that's interesting a depression rates are pretty high here aren't they yeah, they're pretty
Shocking especially a suicide ones. They're like one of the highest
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty bad
Have you have any other thoughts on that did you see any of that and you practice at all um
Yeah, what's hard to because I don't have any we're asked to compare it to
You know you just hear what people are going through, and yeah often it is money related
All that business is going a certain way
Yeah, so it's
Yeah, it's pretty bad for our country, and I think in the election in at the moment. That's been like a hot issue as well
So hopefully we'll see some change
Haven't you recommended like
courses action
What you think might work? I think I'm hoping that
The new government will take some action, they've just done a an inquiry
I was reading an article
where they interviewed the
The woman who ran like the previous inquiry, so they did one in like 1996 I think okay
so the country was sort of in the same state as it is now when a numbers were really shocking and
So they did this inquiry and they found out that
certain they needed to put more funding to
XYZ who are they inquiring into and the mental health yeah
Issue so that yeah, they went into hospitals, so what news funding
and they really improve some of these things, but then in
2012 maybe they X that team and
Yeah, so over the last since then it's
Developed again. Yeah, yeah, it's sort of gone down hell again, so because you know you can imagine and they said and
What was happening after they did their the stuff that they did back in?
1996 was the people that were seeking help went from like 1.5 percent up to 3 percent
And then they got so more people were seeking yeah
yeah, which was really good, but then when they asked a lot of the funding and
X this team they've still had that a higher number of people seeking help
But they weren't getting the money to get more people to help
They help the people so ok. There's kind of interesting so hopefully soon
They'll be a bit more money that goes into it and just get more
Space and numbers people who can help with it. I suppose like the UM
The her Lou you have to jump over in terms of the funding thing is like what what do you what are you sacrificing?
Mmm. Yeah, see it's uh
it's a big sacrifice because
If you don't do it. Yeah cause then you're sacrificing life's as well. It seems like yeah, but I kind of I wonder because
Poverty rates have been growing a lot hmm as well
And that's another thing that this government wants to
Address and you've got to think like if people are growing up in poverty. You're gonna be more likely to have
Not just mental health issues a whole lot of other issues
So it's like maybe if they put and if at that level that's gonna help a lot as well
Yeah, I think so one thing I did see recently is um add
definition of poverty
Relative to the other world is a bit more broader
Yeah, it makes that probably less rates look higher in terms of relative relative lead to the world, right
I'm not saying that that doesn't mean anything should be done to it
Yeah, that could be a reason why at poverty rates up higher as well, yeah
That's true. Yeah. It's kind of weird how they?
Yeah, because they what'd she do recently she did that um came out welfare child poverty
Policy yeah, well she came out for golden. Yeah, it wasn't really
Putting a goal on mmm. I'd like to see like what the
How what's the actions gonna be on that's kind of what I expected her to say cuz it
I kept seeing the headlines like just interns coming out with her
Child poverty policy yeah, let's see what she's doing yeah, but then it was just the goal. Well. Yeah, it's all well and good yeah
Yeah, I guess at this stage and like a young government
They have to sort of sit all bets say what they want to do fast
The news outlets for that for
Advertising as well. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I don't know hmm
Depression it's definitely a problem. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they had like any friends have you been depressed yourself um
I haven't been like clinically depressed, but I think
I'd say probably like everyone you have times where you just feel really down and
You know for me imagining feeling like that all the time and trying to do anything
You know do what you do in your everyday life while constantly feeling like that yeah
Gives you a bit of an idea of what it's like
Yeah, definitely um I felt like I feel like I was depressed for like six months mm-hmm
But like I didn't even know it yes, and I looked back. I was like
Yeah, you're definitely down around then yeah, but when I was depressed. I was just like an asshole to be around
Yeah, mainly for like my friends and shit, and then I was just trying to do shit all the time
There's constantly keeping my mind occupied. Oh, yeah
Like band work EP University work. Just keeping myself busy, and also just surrounding myself with people that I
Know I found like it felt like my my friends kind of pissed me off more
Maybe it's cuz I had like higher expectations for them to like make me happy
subconsciously, but if I surrounded myself with people that I didn't necessarily have
expectations for them to fill and
there are positive people it was kind of just like I
Just worked off their positivity and like didn't didn't expect anything from yeah
That could be
So different if I'm so complex
There's just such a yeah to bundle things that I think that writing has got to be beneficial as well
Just trying to write down what you think is actually going on yeah?
Yeah, if you don't want to be going to talk to someone which some people probably aren't going to want to do. Eh yeah
College right
Comfortable with that. Yeah, where's writing conserve as that you can kind of like try and help you yeah?
And another thing that people find quite helpful to do is like even sort of like
Keeping like a diary of like what did I do today?
And how did I feel and then sometimes when you look back and reflect then you're like oh?
Look it looks like when I'm hanging out with these people or maybe it looks like the couple of days following
When I go out drinking, I'm feeling yeah, really shit about finding some causes look at some patterns
yeah, because sometimes that is as simple as
Lifestyle something out or being like this person is
Toxic yeah, that's that's a hard thing to do as well
Like a really close friend yeah, and you kind of realize I was shit
This is actually if you say we're keeping a diary, and then you find out that oh shit this person is not yeah
Not having move forward positively in life. Yeah, but like once you've got that connection
Yeah, I think it's the same thing with a bad like romantic relationship
It gets stuck in it it becomes a bit of a trap sometimes. Yeah, which is a horrible outlook, but it happens, yeah
And some people with family as well, which is almost extra hard because you know your family
You almost feel like the unconditional. Love. Yeah, yeah, but sometimes
It can be really hard to say no to your family, and you might find that you're just doing too much. Yeah
And you feel like they're expecting all these things from you so sometimes you do need to just take a step back and be like
I've got to look after myself. Yeah here for a minute guys. Yeah, definitely
That's good. Yeah
either
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His name's Bubba mal. Okay. It's like South African. So that's kind of a cool like African song hmm
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Have you seen them live no I haven't
Man, that'd be pretty good. I've seen a couple of videos in doing live. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like the crowd gets pumping yeah
Also he heard the big drinkers yeah, they like what they like Irish Irish Irish I think there are
Surely, yeah, yeah, Irish love a drink. Don't they
What do you think's like the biggest drinking culture in the world cuz we have a pretty big drinking culture yeah, it's kind of like
Weird though like as it's kind of like
Yeah lots of places love the drink don't they yeah
Yeah, I mean even America had a pretty big drinking culture like when I was there. Just didn't seem as
Intense, but they drunk the drunk
Just as frequently maybe and frequently but not as intensely when they don't tank and they have more drugs
Don't they so like yeah. Oh, yeah weeds legal over there
New York's legal now which is cool. Yeah. I've heard California's going for like a magic mushrooms
referendum
They're legal in Amsterdam, I think oh yeah, yeah
Full-on, it's a you been there no
You're gonna hit over to Europe you've in Europe before yeah, yeah, I've been to Europe a couple of places
But I'm gonna go to Berlin actually this year
Smokey yeah, shut up
Why you going to Berlin and there's a conference actually
When is it July I mean does it does that get funded for you?
I'm not sure I have
but hopefully
Looking to do a little bit travel off. Yeah, yeah, thanks a the conference's for like five days, so should probably go to that
probably
Yeah, yeah
And then take a bit of time to go around a few places yeah, and you've just got back from Kenya
Yes, couple of weeks ago. Let's go. Let's do it. Give us the rep
a
Month and doing volunteer work, so I'm staying with a host family
Which was pretty cool, so you're really gosh doing the volunteer work and staying with the family you really got like the
authentic
Canyon experience, which is what you want? Yeah? Yeah, it was way different to what
Was there much tourism there yes
And
yes, and that kind of thing so we went on Safari and
It's just completely different because like we'd got we went there, and it was kind of weird for us because you went it wasn't only
Kenyan people around you had been living in the culture
All of a sudden yeah, completely out of the culture. Yeah, yeah, it's the fiery cool. Though. Yeah, it was amazing
Yeah, would you see um? We saw that we've got the big five so?
We paid lion
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah, all the different
Types I think they're pretty endangered, but we got to see a white rhino as well, which they're really endangered. I think so we
Did the color white no they're not?
Maybe they were duty, I can't visualize that for a second okay
They'd be cool like a bright way. Yeah right now trip. Yes. Yeah, I had a massive horn though like
How big are we talking they like them?
They must be solid like you this all of that. It's like
Strata now you wouldn't
Not that tall to be fear
But just like what do you reckon like?
Yeah, hi tall
Think probably from the ground to like
I didn't get too close to one you know I was in the van, so
He's scared at any point
Yeah, actually at one point. It was quite funny. We were driving along and the drivers. I I here's some baboons
We will stop to take a few photos
But we won't stay for too long because they can get quite aggressive hard they can get crazy
They have like massive teeth - yeah vicious yeah, and so we stopped and took some pictures and that was real good and then
Like the health and safety laws are pretty loose over there. Yeah
then we noticed that one like crawled up the
Passenger side door and just reached in and like grabbed a bear and we were like
Yeah, we're like - the driver. Who's good Francis. We like Francis. He just took your bag and Francis was like what?
Are those my pants in it and
He and then at the mean time so he was freaking out about his bag
And then so on this a5 and you have like a pop top mmm
So you stand up and look out the top and in the meantime this method baboon jumped like a van right next to us
We were like
And so he like put his foot down and so that the moonlight fell off the back yeah
Yeah, but like if we'd waited a few more seconds and would have just topple them to where we were
Well no then he was like I need my pants so he turned around and we were like
Yeah, he hopped out and
Told there were a couple of other vents so he like told them what happened. I presume he's speaking in swahili at this point but
So all the drivers hopped out that other drivers. I noticed closed all the doors, but our one wasn't closed, but that's fun
Come on
Auntie so they this monk he'd gone up the tree with like this bright orange bag looking stoked with themselves yeah
And then all these drivers like walk out one of them had a crowbar
and
One of them just picked up this massive rock and like throw it at the tree and the buffoon was like oh shit and like
Jumped away and dropped the bag and so then they ran and and got the bag, but it was pretty funny
Imagine if you've seen him just get attacked yeah
Oh, yeah, oh
Yeah, Wow Safari yeah there you go, it's full-on it's no joke fun though yeah
Carry on Kenya yes, what's next on the agenda to share. Yeah, so the work I was doing
I should probably talk about because that's what
So I was working for this organization called
positive life Kenya
Positive and so it would sit up by a woman actually my host mom who I was staying with yeah
to
provide support basically for woman living with HIV okay and so
That's a real shocker um no it was more so the woman will Oh living around the area they help
They reach their outreach or they reach like heaps of woman okay, and so lots most of them live in slums
and
So where we were the town here a lot of prostitution, so there's like this cycle
Yeah, what was like the percentage of woman who had HIV in no
I'm not sure actually on the stats
But up there yeah, and I guess the other thing about the stats is some people don't
even get
the yeah
So the aim was to get people to get tested because if you get tested and you find out that you're positive
You can get the medication that will keep you alive
Which is that goal yeah, yeah and
But if you don't then you spread it, yeah
especially in that kind of
place
And also you don't
If you have children they have a chance of having it as well, so it's better
Just to know to be on top of these things because it was manageable these days yeah, and the medication sortie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what was your job in as such so there are a few things that this Center did so?
Part of it in what I was involved in a lot was home visits
So we go round to these different slums and visit the woman
And we also helped woman
I should note that didn't have HIV
but we're just really struggling so there are a lot of single woman either their partners that lift them or
hedge died
but with big families so
You know there's one lady that we met. Well. They're mainly big families over there. Yeah
Much contraception it's not so much as part that but it's also parched that having a big family is
Yeah, yeah
What do we talk? What's a big family?
So there's one woman that we met that had eight kids okay, and her father the father had left yeah
So in these situations like these are not people like here. You'd probably be on the benefit
If you want to feed your kids for that day you have to go out and work
Yeah, okay, and then so if you have a young child like this is that part of the cycle
prostitution as well exactly
You know there's also school fees so
High school isn't funded in primary school is even. That's funded. It's quite hard to get to because often. There's not many round yeah
Yeah, so a lot of this woman was you have to go out and you work
Just like a casual job for the day to get enough money to get your food
Okay
the type of jobs were they doing
Like it might be cleaning your house, or it might be
picking some crops or
Yeah, just
Little things like that and there's no sort of job security. You know you're not gonna
Go long and be like employ me. Okay. It's like oh
Yes, oh so a lot of our work was going around seeing those people seeing how they going and doing profiles for the kids because
They'd get sponsorship
All we'd put their names forward for sponsorships, so that people can
Can pay for them to get to school?
What was in the profiles then and so we get?
All their name age family details and things and we'd also ask you know. What do they like doing?
What do they want to be things like that just to get an idea of of who their kid is?
So that was cool. That was a big part of what we did, and then they also had a
training center which I wasn't involved too much in and
it taught woman to
Like they had sewing
What else did they have
beadwork
Just taught them a range of skills that they could
Get a job with basically because as I said a lot of these women haven't been to high school
That's really hard so that's kind of the cycle of poverty you grow up in a slum
You can't go to high school because your parents can't afford to send you so you're not educated. You can't get a proper job
Yes, you stay in the slum. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, see
Circle of life for them yeah, yeah, it's really hard to get out of especially when you don't have the support
You know you can't go along to wins and be like yeah
Yes, I'm going. What was the meat male-female interaction like over there?
And then how how did they treat each other um?
Was it interesting it's like there's a slightly different dynamic to here and then
The men are sort of like
The provider or like the the alpha almost you know like the man of the household there was quite
Yeah, but it's not everywhere like I should I mean I should stress that in places like Nairobi is quite, which is the capital?
That's quite forward. Is that is that where you were I was just out of Nairobi. Oh, yeah, yeah, how big is Kenya ah
It's a lot. I think the population of Nairobi was like the population of New Zealand okay, and in terms of land mass
What is the relative to New Zealand um Kenya?
Actually
I wouldn't say it's smaller
Well the geography where are we in Africa yes on
East Africa, East Africa yeah and towards the Antarctica and or
Yeah, it's more southern
Yeah
In the middle of Africa the continent it's on the coast yeah
That's like on the East Coast instead of halfway down the East Coast okay?
Yeah, we went to
Mombasa which is a coastal city. Yeah, we went there for a few days which was it was really nice
Yeah, the beach is quite, beautiful. Yeah. Yeah some of them were quite dirty
all
Year, they had lots of resorts
That would have their own private beach
Which looks pretty amazing like white sands and things?
But yeah Mombasa was quite a cool place okay, very hot yeah, humid
And how did you go about sorting all that out?
How did you get the job if someone else wanted it someone else wanted to help out the way you did yeah?
So I went through
Through a company called
international volunteer he caught us so they have if you go onto the website and they have
Heaps of different places in the world that you can go and different projects you can do so there's like
Yeah, they had like elephant conservation and Sri. Lanka like all these different things
so that was quite cool, but
if someone was going back to Kenya and I would go like straight to there and
the organization
Vir was called
I was called envious. I think so
Network for volunteers or something okay, and they that way you like avoid the
ivhq registration fee yeah
Yeah, but the thing with ivhq for me. I had no idea like what was over there, and they organized
Really good, and it was self-funded. It wasn't it. Yeah. Yeah, so how much did that?
How much did you need to raise for that I?
The flights were just over two thousand
one-way
returned yeah, probably two and a half thousand and
The actual program fee was around I think it was around 600 u.s.. Okay?
Yeah, yeah
and but that includes like your
Stadia, and you get feed so it's a few grand really yeah
Yeah, yeah, and you did fundraising and stuff for that right. Yeah, I did fundraising in a
but
most of the money that I fund raised winter, I just spent on the community over there like as a donation so yeah
That was cool. Yeah, well good on you. Thank you very beautiful thing you've done for the
Well-being of those King. Thank you good stuff
highlight low-light
Scariest thing something interesting you learned most interesting thing you learn okay highlight
Would have been when I was over there there were some girls that wanted to go to high school
and so my parents were able to sponsor them, so it was really cool to be able to see where they came from I
Think that if they didn't have sponsorship that just be hanging around these slums
So that was really cool low light
You probably the plumbing
You just like couldn't be sure that a toilet was gonna flush
Which is like? I do you gotta kind of play for those things and
What else something interesting something uh something that scared you something that scared me
Once I heard this part from the Bevin. Yeah, the bedroom was pretty scary but
One day I was walking along and when you're like the only no they cool like cool
ass like white people
I think yeah, I think means it technically means English
Speaker but it pretty much means like yeah, yeah, and so
People would like yell out wasn't good to you and people are quite excited to see you so like one day
I was walking home and someone just decided to walk with me and
That happened a couple of times actually and most of the time. They're really nice and
Just genuinely want to hear about we are from and yeah
What you what you're here for
But one day when I was walking along a guy said
He was like can I I'm sorry can I ask you a question and I said yes, and then it was like
Would it be alright if I said that I loved you and I was like
No
So I tell people sometimes because a lot of people asked you to marry them yeah
But so I told I was like oh I have a husband because sometimes
It's a good way to just get people off that trick yeah
So and he was like oh, where's your husband back in New Zealand, and she was like oh
So can I not love you and I was like no and then
But then he said he was like oh
What about on contract and so he was like basically asking me to be a prostitute. I and I was like
No like and then he was like yeah, I was like I
Mean why today yeah, yeah
If it was at nighttime like I would have been
But yeah, I thought he was joking it out, and then he was like
Oh, you wouldn't be the first and then so I just got really angry at him because you know it was quite like scary
you know
I was like I was like that is very rude
Like leave me alone you're being very very rude
Yeah, okay most interesting thing you learned
Probably learning a lot about the
Government in their way of life like there was a lot of
Corruption and stuff and saying the police ah real yeah
Like we went past
Some police talking to some people
Just on the side of the road in a slum one day and the people that eyes were cidade. They're probably
Basically though those people were selling drugs and just paying off the police
Well, so it was interesting and also things that doesn't surprise me
I see yeah, like you hear about that
but just actually seeing it is kind of interesting and also yeah like their roads were terrible and just realizing that that's because
They don't have the funding to let have good roading. Yeah
It was just like gravel roads, or I was just like really well
They had sealed roads, but often they have like massive potholes that you had to drive around or
All that the there was something wrong with the road, so they're just over all the traffic off the side onto this way
Makeshift gravel road, which was kind of interesting?
Did you go out there like party um no I didn't some of the people that I was with at New Year's
Was the buzz for New Year's it was pretty people got really into it so and
We were at Mombasa on the coast and so they went to a beach party, but I I didn't because I was like
Not sure like it's kind of
Skee like yes as I'd like the interest in white people and also
People think often that if you were they assume you're from America and that you're really rich. That's like if someone wanted to
Steal not that like most people don't have that intention so if they did you'd be number one if you feel a bit under threat
Of say rape or violence at night times
Yeah, I didn't go out. I wouldn't be on the street in that time yeah, and they basically
The volunteer organization was like don't ya even if you're a block away from where you're staying get a taxi like
Wow
Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, cuz even with the taxis
They gave us specific taxi companies to go west or some dodgy takes. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, so did you see any violence or anything over there? No, I saw a lot of effects though so in 2007 they had a
a
really
Controversial election and there was a lot of rumors. It's 2007 so a while ago, but
But there was so after that there was a lot of other official like the post-election violence which was from them
So we saw a couple of people
Living in the slums that had actually that had head injuries
from
the post-election violence and so they really
those big riots and whatnot yeah, yeah and
So over there, they have everyone sort of belongs to their family as part of a specific tribe, so they have cohesive tribes
and
Often they're well
tribes
There they're big so people that sort of like their
ancestry
So they don't live in the tribe or genetic tribes or yeah, yeah, and so we'd be in the tribe
Yeah, we would be yeah the Balclutha tribe really nice
People so in the elections if someone came from your tribe
You'd vote for them okay, and I don't know how it with other tribes like and from once had different sort of allegiances
Yeah, but so when there was this
controversy
I'm not exactly sure who was
What the details were but this post-election violence was different tribes being like fuck you man
You're from this tribe yeah, and there was also
Yes, so they were hidden juries we saw there's also
one of the woman that we met that had HIV that was because of like a gang rape after that I
Like pretty like it was real very vulgar yeah hmm
so but apart from
Like I never saw any violence over there and people would be like for example when you're driving people would toot the horn
But it wasn't like angry it was just like
Moving I'm coming in whereas here you know someone to the horn would be like
It was yeah, it was a funny sort of dynamic like
Interesting well straight up. Yeah. Yeah, okay, so did you see many?
Other white people not from New Zealand over there
and the volunteer program
Most of the people I only met one other New Zealander well as oh yeah so lots of the other volunteers were from different places
I saw a couple of other I'm talking outside of liked
Safaris because naturally, it's gonna be yeah, that's me. They'll be dominated by yeah, yeah new gringos mm-hmm
I
Saw a couple of people like a couple of nuns oh yeah, and then one guy that I'm making an assumption
But I think he was like a Mormon or something
And
Yeah, so a lot of sort of missionaries. It's kind of interesting
Was religion quite big over there. Yeah most people a Christian or on the coast?
There's a lot of Muslim people just because of the way that is
I think on the coast since there's a lot of
people coming in or in the past like
the Muslim people
Reading yeah, oh
Yeah, so mainly Christian though. Yeah, yeah
like really Orthodox religion
Yeah, so not a prostitution there. Yeah, it's kind of interesting like all of the kids had a
Good knowledge of Christianity, okay, so you obviously grow up learning? It is that kind of thing and
But not even goes to most people wouldn't go to church on Sunday probably
But
One day I was walking through the one of the slums actually and I had a backpack on and it had a little you know
The like name text that you get at the airport like it yeah, Robert everybody Kiwi
And they were like one of the kids was like
What is this like it's a Kiwi they were like?
Fascinated by it is your God and I was like
No, it's a Kiwi and they're like I think your God
Do you know do you know God and I thought they may like to know who
She knows God
So they
Could everyone read over there um if you'd been to school primary school yeah
They learn that so do you think most people would be able to read or do you think listen half
Not sure it's hard to tell you say yeah because
Even if you even go into primary school like probably a lot
I'd say you know there's probably a lot of kids that have other problems going on like even
Dyslexia that wouldn't ever be picked up are you - sure yeah, yeah, what about like um TV and stuff um
Yeah, it was so in the host the host family that I was staying with they had they had Wi-Fi they had
TV with like they had the kids watch Disney Channel so my little host sister she sounded like in a mirror
Girl because she like watches Disney Channel wouldn't YouTube and everything okay, yeah
And the slums most people don't but some people did have a TV and I was like
I thought it was so you'd be in a
Like a corrugated iron tin. She'd and yes some people with TVs in there
Yeah
Yeah, maybe I just picked it. What would they watch did you know I always?
Liked actually once when I win and I'm pretty sure it was just like static
Yeah
Yeah, anything else you want to say about Kenya I mean it's an amazing place and
Definitely yeah as I said for theme to experience volunteering. It's a way to go probably with anywhere. Yeah, yeah
And it's also awesome to see how much so what would seem so little to us how much we take for granted
Yeah because
I've heard I can't remember where the girl from do you know the lady that wrote in Fidel the book?
Mmm. I think she sees in her book. This is like
Jordan Peterson was saying like it's just amazing how like all this shit works like how we have like electricity in like I
Can video on my phone and record on this it's just amazing?
I was working this lady a common bro name who wrote infidel, but she's from I think she's from the Muslim
She's from a Muslim background. Yeah
And she was just went to Denmark and she's just amazed at how like there's a digital like bus schedule
Yeah, and the bus turns up on time. Yes. That's just like next level for them this level. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I just don't even know tiny things just those real small things that we just take for granted every day. Yeah like there's one
One of my friends took a picture of a kid doing something on their phone
And then they're like God do you want to see and?
So she showed this trial just the picture of him, and he was just like what does that didn't understand like you?
What does playing you feel like oh
That's crazy
Those small things yeah like we've grown up with it so we
Mention not so then I have photos at all or they have like physical photos well
They must yeah, they must but like if you live in a slum
Probably not. Yeah, you don't
Yeah, and then going to get it printed yeah, not having photos, yeah
Best way to like time travel basics yeah, but I guess like when you think about like we when we were younger we had
Physical photos before we had you know like digital cameras, but our mind can like make that
Yeah
It almost met yeah, it all makes makes more sense that is digital now
Yes electronic device taking the photo yeah, and it's on the device rather than you have to either print it off. Yeah
So backward yeah
Cool so Kenya was good mm-hmm
Did you?
Just a jump a bit he had been reading anything good lately
Not really, but I've been
Watching their
Australian Open is reminded me recently of when I read the Andre Agassi
See it up there green book second shelf that one yeah open
Yeah, there you go. This it made me like I read it a few years ago, but watching that just made me reminisce oh
I've heard it's apparently the best sports by ography biography or autobiography
Autobiographies been they righted a yeah, yeah and biographies been someone else writes it yeah through them okay. Yeah, I've heard. It's the best one
I should probably Yeah, right there, yeah
Dad's my dad Roy. Doesn't say well. I have I mean I mean
Ben watch so you watch the aussie open air yeah a bit of it, no not like religiously yeah
You've been playing in sports you're gonna be playing in sports Lucy just keeping up with running
Yeah
Always a rough job getting back in yeah. Yeah so much a few
Few events this year
Yeah nice Boston you good movies or anything recently
TV shows maybe um TV shows
Please like me on
Netflix, that's great. It's really good
Yeah, short summary. It's an Australian guy and in the first episode
He his girlfriend dumps him because she's like I'm pretty sure you're gay. He's like no I'm not
It's just it's a comedy, but it's like
Movies I watched on the plane I watched the big
It was this couple that get together, but there
The guy is I
Think he's Muslim and so his parents want him to marry a Muslim woman. Oh, yeah, yeah
That funny um someone gets sick
Yeah, yeah, he's good that is good. I've seen yeah like a rom-com yeah, pretty much
Nice yeah, what do you think of the plane movies?
Um better than nothing, but God they come watch. I wouldn't want to watch like a really like
Intense movie that you have to pay a lot of attention to something like a comedy is
Like you can kind of just watch and understand by just watching it, and yeah, I mean to pick up every line yeah
That's right. I
Went through a lot I went through a season of friends actually I'm one of the
One of the plane how long was the plane ride I had an 18-hour one from
Auckland to
Doha and then you go five hours down to Nairobi weirdo, huh?
It's like and the sprat next to Dubai right yeah
Yeah, did you go around any other other countries in Africa or no?
And it was for a month yep
Fly by um
Sometimes like I missed home a lot and at the end. I really wanted to come home just
Cuz I miss mystery Christmas and stuff as well
However do here yes
Round going down
Good good. Yeah, what do you do and we won Safari that point? I had a couple of sliders
Tusker sliders, it's the way to go over there apparently TAS Kabir
Sorry you go to in general and turn yeah, they're really like beer so over there
I'm normally like a gin and tonic or a red one. Yeah, but they're rude wine tastes like syrup
Beautiful and it was weird when you order this spirit over there
So if I'd ordered a genotype they bring out like a small bottle of gin okay?
Oh you have to you have to get tonic soup really
Yeah
Like those little those little ones like that. We yeah, it wasn't quite like that's tiny like single-serve ones
But it was yeah, I guess it's kind of
Yeah
So that was funny
normally, we normally get the drinks flowing and on the podcast but uh
I'm not meant to drink cuz my wisdom teeth
You've got a drive
We're safe people
Danger Danger, I think we're probably just about ready to wrap her up
Is there anything else you want to talk about any other shoutouts
Come see Mary if you want some clinical psychology
Yeah, just quickly what was your PhD on I'm doing sort of
Neuropsychology stuff so looking at what flat the brains
And shit there to be interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's quite cool, and you're in your second year there or yeah
What you finished yeah, how long is going to be
You probably exceed it anyway
I'm like I've really enjoyed studying. Oh yeah, I do really enjoy it yeah, that sounds like hella interesting
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah
Cool, so I do like this higher various thing
It's just like
Hey, or be okay. Yeah, it's pretty simple. It's pretty self-explanatory. Okay, so um
The first first question is OCD or untidy
Sometimes one sometimes the other no yes, okay
for one party
Come Fedora venture
adventure
compassion or competition
compassion
How many your honesty?
How many, mm group or solo discussion
Group okay and purpose or pleasure
Purpose happy and sad or content
Content question or answer
Question power to the individual or power to the group their group yes or no yes
Very good awesome well. Thanks for coming on Medi
However, do ya covered some pretty cool topics. I think listening to it, and I hope y'all enjoy it as well
I'll give you a handshake my
Seven guys Metis dykes
Yeah, hope you enjoyed it. It was pretty fun. I had a good time
Okay, have a good day people catch up
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