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Zelma went to the hospital to give birth to her baby.
She was going to give birth ...
all about the birth happened perfectly.
But after the childbirth she went through an NDE.
And this NDE showed her how her thoughts could transform reality itself.
Let's get to know her story?
Good morning, Zelma.
Good Morning.
We are here to hear your story
about the experience you had.
I'd like you to introduce yourself and tell us what happened.
My name is Zelma Rota,
I'm 58 years old,
and I'm an astrologer and a tarot reader.
When I was 39 years old,
I was close to giving birth to my daughter and I was very happy.
I thought, "Wow, cool, the time is coming when I'll see my daughter's face."
That was December 6th.
I was already feeling contractions.
My husband was not home and who took me [to the hospital] was my neighbor.
Arriving at the hospital, a little bit after 6 PM,
they were changing the duty shift.
A medical doctor came up and told me ...
It was in the Mooca neighborhood that my daughter was born.
Then the medical doctor told me:
"Do you want to have a C-section?"
"Because your daughter is very big."
And I said, "No, I prefer normal birth."
He said: "Then it will not be with me because it will change the duty shift."
Then another medical doctor came ...
and then he started to show me how I should breath, and I did what he told me to do.
Then the amniotic sac broke.
A nurse came to see me, she examined how I was ...
and soon I went to the "table" ... to give birth to my daughter.
Then they gave me those medicines ... to help with childbirth ...
And labor was fast.
It was very fast, it did not take long.
I was so happy.
My daughter had been born, I had looked at her, she had opened her eyes ...
Then the nurse led me into the hallway ...
on a stretcher and said to me:
"As soon as I finish the serum I'll take you to the room for you to take a shower."
I replied, "Fine."
When the serum was done she asked me, "Mom, are you okay?"
I said, "I am."
Then she said, "Let's do this ..."
"you get up from the stretcher ... and you go to the bathroom to take a shower."
Then I got up and left holding the serum and walking to go shower.
I was very happy.
When I approached the bathroom to take a shower ...
the nurse said: "the water in this bathroom is not heating up so let's go to the other room ..."
"because in the other room the water is warm."
Then she took me [to this other room], where there was a woman,
and I went into the bathroom to take my shower.
When I started to shower,
suddenly my belly swelled, it looked like I was pregnant again.
I was finishing taking the shower
and then I fainted in the bathroom.
Then the girl in the room ...
she saw and called the nurse.
When the nurse arrived, I was already waking up ...
Then she said to me, "Mother, are you okay? ... You are white the color of a tile ..."
Then she helped me up and asked, "Can you finish your shower?"
Yes, I can.
So I continued to take a shower by myself ... I finished it ... and she brought me a towel so I could dry ...
I put on those hospital clothes ...
and then she took me to bed.
When she took me to bed,
I began to feel worse pains than the labor pains.
Very intense pains, very intense.
And down here, in my belly, everything seemed to be loosening.
I felt like it there was a flood.
An open valve.
And the pains were very strong.
Then I pressed the button to call the nurse ...
she came and asked me what was going on.
and I said to her, "young lady, the pain is much stronger than in childbirth."
"I want to know if this is normal."
She lifted the sheet and said, "It's normal ... after childbirth, menstruation returns."
She left...
and I pressed the button again because I was feeling very bad.
I had already begun to feel nausea ...
Then the nurse came ...
when she looked ... she said, "I'll give you a medicine ..."
"to reduce this pain and I will call the doctor who gave birth."
When the doctor who delivered my child came, he looked at me and asked, "Mother, what happened?"
"You did everything right, your daughter was born fast ..."
Then he raised the sheet ...
And I told him: "I went to take a shower and in the shower I fainted."
He looked at the nurse and said, "Are you crazy?"
"Do you want to kill her? She just gave birth."
"Her belly needs to contract."
"The uterus needs contracting."
And I was looking at it all.
The nurse was feeling bad ... and left the room.
Then he began to yell ...
"Stop it all ... take her to the surgery center".
In the corridor he shouted:
"general anesthesia ... stop everything ... emergency, emergency ..."
He screamed as I was being transported.
At that moment, the nurse who helped with childbirth arrived ...
she looked at me ... and said, "Mother, you did not deserve this."
Then she put the oxygen in me and I said ...
I took her hand and said, "I do not want to die."
and then I blacked.
You had a hemorrhage, did not you?
Yes. So when I blacked,
I ... I entered ... it was interesting because I had my hand ...
my hand ... in a hole ... a round hole ...
I put my hands up there and ... I stood up.
When I stood up ...
I looked everywhere...
It was all light.
I thought, "I died."
At the same time I put my hands like that and shouted, "God ..."
It's interesting that when you go to that side, you're light.
The voice is much stronger.
Then I screamed loudly, "Where are you?"
"Did not you see everything that happened to me?"
"And now you're going to get me out of my life? "
"Without me doing anything for her?"
I said, "Wait a moment ... my daughter is just born and my husband needs me."
I was knocking on the floor with my feet and screaming that I had to return.
And it's interesting that I saw myself from different positions...
It was as if I had a consciousness here looking at me from all sides ...
and there was that light that swayed ... it was only one light ... in a well-lit tone ... and it swayed.
A very beautiful voice ... then, a very beautiful voice said to me: "Do you remember what you said?"
Then I remembered what I had said when I was fifteen years old.
I said, "Oh, when I'm a mother ..."
"I'm going to die in childbirth ... what a beautiful thing ... I give my life to a being to be born."
You know ... a silly thing like that ...
because I read spiritist books then I thought it was nice to give my life to let someone come and be born.
But I did not think how my daughter would be cared for,
and I did not think either about my husband.
Then, after the voice said those words, the same voice said,
"Go down ... we'll be watching you."
When I went down, I was in the ICU,
with serum, with blood ... with blood bag ... with a weight on my uterus for it to contract ...
with probe ...
and there were two people at my side ... I think one was a nurse and I do not know if the other was a medical doctor ...
they were looking at me ... and the one who helped in childbirth ...
said: "her body is not reacting ..."
When she said that, I put my hand on her ... I held ... on the bed rail ...
I held her hand for her to see that I was back.
But I could not speak at the time.
When I opened my eyes,
because of the hemorrhage ...
I could not stop ... everything was spinning ...
It was spinning a lot ... spinning a lot ... then I had to close my eyes ... to feel normal.
Then the nurse said, "Thank God her urine is coming down."
When they took me to the hospital room,
at the foot of my bed appeared a huge bouquet of flowers.
and those flowers were all illuminated.
They had a different light.
It was a giant bouquet that stood over the foot of my bed.
And the way I saw it ...
it was like this: opening or closing my eyes, I could see that bouquet the same way.
that huge bouquet over the foot of my bed.
But when I opened my eyes, everything was still spinning because ...
Do you know when it looks like you have labyrinthitis?
because I noticed that when I left, I did not walk straight, I leaned.
I saw all this and I thought, "I am so happy I came back."
The flowers ... they were not real?
No, no.
You saw them even with their eyes closed ...
So you were back, shall we say ...
to your body ...
Yes.
and even so ... even in this situation, when you could already identify the nurses, you saw the bouquet of flowers?
I saw the bouquet of flowers.
But the bouquet of flowers appeared when I went to the room.
Not in the ICU.
When I was in bed ... in the hospital room ...
then ... it appeared.
For a few minutes ...
It stood at the foot of my bed ...
over it...
and this bouquet, big, was all lit.
You said that ... everything was spinning ...
That happened when you were in the ICU. When you went to the room did it continue to spin?
[Yes]... when I opened my eyes ...
it was as if I had lost oxygen, I do not know ...
This may even be remnant effect of anesthesia, this is very common ...
you wake up dizzy and with vertigo ...
I was spinning a lot ...
When I looked, everything was spinning.
This is well known ... the eye even "jumps" ...
in certain situations.
I thought this was due to the loss of blood ...
It maybe also ... you must have received a blood booster, right?
Yes, I was receiving a bag of blood.
Zelma, tell me something.
Returning to the Near Death Experience.
Did you see your physical body there ... being cared for?
No... no, no, no.
We have two situations ... in one you were feeling bad and in the other you were in this place that you told us.
There was no interaction between both situations?
No.
Have not you seen people putting in serum or probe?
No, no.
You were under general anesthesia ... at the second time ... not at the first time, right?
No, it was not general [at the first time].
But at the second it was?
Then it was general anesthesia.
Have you had surgery [the second time]?
I think they did a catheterization.
A catheterization to stop bleeding.
To stop bleeding.
It sure was a general anesthesia.
Yes, because I heard the doctor shouting: "general anesthesia ... stop everything ... emergency ..."
When I was on the other side, when I went up through the little hole ...
How is that ... you climbed a little hole?
It was a hole on the lit floor.
It was like a black hole.
And I went up there ... I put my hands up and got up.
And as I stood up ...
I noticed I was in a square room ...
it was a room with six sides ...
all lit ... all sides lit ...
I saw myself ...
it seemed like I was seeing myself from here ...
but I was there...
and I could see all my body ... from everywhere.
I was not just looking at the light.
- It was not your body laying there, being cared ..." - No, no.
And at that time I realized that I had died.
When I realized I was dead, it was when I shouted that I wanted to go back.
That's when I said that my daughter was just born and my husband needed me.
Did you argue?
Yes.
You did argue with whom?
With that voice that spoke to me.
Couldn't you identify this voice?
I couldn't.
You still had not heard that voice ... it answered you ...
It answered me.
So, redoing his question ...
At that moment when you still had not ... heard the voice ...
who were you screaming to?
I was screaming to God.
- You know ... why ...? Someone had to listen to me ...! - You were outraged ...
Yes ... and you know... we are used to always say God ...
I believe in a universal energy ...
but I screamed "God."
That's when that voice ...
it ... it swayed that light ...
and then it said, "Do you remember ..."
But it didn't "say" at first "do you remember."
The voice rose in my mind.
"Do you remember what you said back there?"
How is it that in a situation like this one ...
you ... with all that stress ... that desperation of feeling yourself dead ...
How did you come to remember one thing that you said playfully at the age of fifteen?
How was that immediate connection?
I realized that what I had said ...
that I was going to get pregnant late, that I was going to have a late childbirth ...
at an advanced age ...
Then, at the time I remembered that I had said "I'm going to die in childbirth."
Then it was as if my consciousness were saying, "Can you see the silly thing you said?"
So I understood that I ended up bringing that into my life.
The nurse was only an instrument for me to go through that problem ...
Which you have somehow defined before.
Which I had already defined at 15 years of age as a teenager.
In that situation ... were you fully aware that you were out of the body?
After all ... you were feeling dead.
I was sure [I was out of the body].
And what gave you that impression [of being dead]?
The fact that I was feeling light.
That environment where I was ...
had a very deep silence.
And I felt that I was not ... that I had no weight.
It's very light ... you feel very light.
and your voice, when you speak ...
it is much stronger.
That was your impression ... that you communicated talking?
Yes, I did talk, but I could hear what they said mentally ...
Okay.
So, you had no ears .... physical ears to listen ...
so you say that [their talk at first] was received mentally.
Mentally.
But did you feel that you spoke mentally too?
I really did talk.
- You screamed, did not you? - I screamed ... I screamed.
As if you still had a mouth?
Yes, yes.
Weren't you surprised with that?
No, no... but I felt I was dead ...
that I was not in my body.
And the voice?
- The voice... - that you heard.
- The voice I heard? - Yes.
The first voice was when they said, "Do you remember ...?"
Then I remembered ... but I listened telepathically.
Did you, outraged, received some kind of scolding?
"Do you remember what you said earlier?"
Yes.
This is curious ... it was almost a warning.
Yes ... as if they were saying: "Beware of what you say because ... you may be ..."
"making it manifest in your life, on the physical plane."
The way I understood is as if they said:
- "Look what you said." - Did you feel it was kind of a warning?
Yes, I did.
[as if they were explaining to me]: "you're just going through it ..."
"because you chose it."
When that voice spoke ... and I heard it in my mind,
it said "do you remember ... what you said back there?"
Then immediately I remembered that when I was 15 years old I used to say to my sisters:
"I'm going to die at childbirth."
"I'm going to have a child late in my life"
"and I'm going to die in childbirth ..."
"look what a beautiful thing ... my daughter being born while I am giving my life for her ..."
"exchanging our lives ... so that a being come into the world."
At that very moment it was as if it had been said to me, "Be careful with what you say."
But even so I would shout, "I need to get back."
"because my daughter is just born ..."
"and I have a husband ... my husband needs me."
The return, almost always, is refused, people [who pass through an NDE] do not want to return.
But not in your case, isn't that right?
No ... I wanted to return.
You wanted to return.
Why did I want to return?
One reason is that my daughter had just been born ...
another, because of my husband ...
and another, I think I had not done much in life yet, I have much more to do...
Your argument is very logical ...
it is rational, we understand that...
but ... returning to previous experiences ...
in which people hear ... from a voice ... from a being ... the same you are talking about, that is:
"You have to return because you have a husband, you have a son ..."
In general ... we've heard many people say:
"It's as if that love I had for my husband, for my son ..."
"had been diluted here ... in this new environment ... "
It's almost as if the person needs to be reminded ...
and this is not your case.
No, no.
You were willing to get away from that place.
It's interesting ... when you go to the other side, you're the same person, you do not change.
You have the same consciousness ...
Another interesting thing that I realized ...
is that when you're on the other side ...
you do not have that lot of voices talking in your head.
It's you with yourself.
It's your pure essence there ...
when you're alone ... there's no one talking.
Only this voice ... when it said ...
when it said ... "Do you remember what you said?"
Directing you ...
And then, when I knocked my feet ...
on that illuminated floor ...
and I said ... "I have to go back, I want to go back ... I need to go back ..."
then that voice said, "Come down ... we'll be watching you."
- Didn't you feel a fantastic joy ..." - No ... no ... no ...
- an immeasurable pleasure ... that you can not explain ... - no ... no ... no ...
- a communion with the universe ... none of this? - no, no...
- You wanted to get out of there, right?" - I realized I was dead ...
so I had to return.
I realized that I had died ...
You did not feel joy, you did not feel peace, you did not feel anything ...
Did you feel desperation?
For being in that situation?
The cries denounce this, do not they?
Yes, because I wanted to come back.
I thought it was too early for me to leave.
I said ... "No, what is this ... I have not done anything for [my daughter's] life ..."
"How am I going to be taken out of life this way?
And about your return, do you have any memories?
I just remember that it was a very smooth thing ... the way back to the body.
Not even in this moment you saw your body?
No, no ... no ... when I did fit [back into the body] ...
when I saw I was in the body, that's when I regained the body movements.
That's when I realized I'd left that place.
And that's when I touched the nurse's hand.
You were back ... but partially because you still saw the flower, did not you?
Yes, yes.
Even coming back you still saw ...
That happened when I went to the room ...
because I spent some time in the ICU... after I was placed in the room... that's when I saw the bouquet.
What gives you the conviction that it was not a dream?
Because I had ...
I saw myself ... I saw that I was there, in another place ...
I was much lighter ...
and I saw that I did not have my body ...
I climbed very lightly ... through that hole.
I was pretty sure, because my daughter was just born ...
And you knew about the bleeding ...
the bleeding ...
about the risk you were taking ...
Yes, that's why I was screaming to return.
I saw perfectly that I was not anymore ...
I was Zelma ... with the same consciousness ... but I was not in my physical body.
And the silence where I was... it was a very deep silence.
Very deep.
How long after waking up ...
did you remember this experience?
Immediately ... immediately.
- When you woke up in the ICU, did you at that moment.. - Immediately...
- remembered that you had yelled ...?" - Immediately ... Immediately ...
- that is, the experience was present immediately? - Yes, immediately.
Wasn't it later?
No, no, it was immediately.
Did you tell this experience to people?
Yes, I did.
Still in the hospital?
No, not in the hospital, because I was not well enough to be able to tell ... everything was spinning...
I could not keep my feet...
I left the hospital after three days ...
my daughter had already been discharged ... I could not breastfeed her ...
because I had no milk ...
a doctor told me that this was normal because the body was trying to recover.
Then...
near my house, on the same street I live, I have a neighbor who is a medical doctor.
She is an obstetrician and professor of obstetrics.
She came to visit with me.
She asked me, "Zelma, what happened to you?"
So I told her ...
about the bleeding ...
that I had had a hemorrhage ...
At the time I did not tell her about my experience, about the experience I had had.
but I told her I'd like to know who was the medical doctor ...
who was at my side because he did his best with me, I wanted to thank him.
Because he cared for me every moment ...
and I said I did not know who was he.
She asked me, "Where was the birth?"
I said, "In Mooca, in the Hospital João XXIII."
And then I told her that because of the duty shift the medical doctor changed ...
and she asked me, "Zelma, what was he like?"
I said he wore round glasses, he had a mustache, and a small beard ... clear, light brown in color,
the hair was slightly blond ...
and he wore those round glasses.
Then she said, "It's Dr Anderson."
He's in one of my classes ... he's doing post-graduation with me.
She said, "I'll ask him ... when he has class with me ... I'll talk to him."
She talked to him and then she came again to my house.
She said, "Zelma ... I talked to him and he is the one who gave birth."
She told me that he said, "She died at the table."
"Her pressure equaled."
He said, "I do not think she was supposed to stay on the other side ..."
"because she came back."
He said I died.
And he said that my pressure had equaled.
That's what this medical doctor told me.
You must have had a shock ... blood loss ... the pressure goes to zero ...
Yes, he said it equaled.
If the person is not rescued immediately, he or she will really die.
Yes... he said, "Look, I guess it was not for her to be on the other side because she came back ..."
"but her pressure equaled."
Zelma, do you think this experience has changed anything in your life or not?
Yeah, after I returned ...
I've become much more sure that we have to be careful with what we say.
So that's what you've changed because of the experience.
That's what I changed.
In this aspect?
In this aspect.
Only in this aspect?
Yes, because today I know:
Be careful with what you want
because this can become a reality.
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